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12-08-2011, 02:28 PM
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My smoldering discontent is not directed at Tomas Plekanec, whose stats are slightly off, when I see players who can't come close to meeting my already low expectations of them. I wish they were playing in Alaska or Switzerland.

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12-08-2011, 02:39 PM
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Mmmm no. I don't think he's been playing that poorly. He's been on a bit of a cold streak lately, but so has the entire team. I also think he's a big boy and able to deal with Jagr making his own decisions.

However, I do fault our management for not landing Jagr, as much as I fault our scouting for not picking Giroux. Philly was more cap-****ed that we were, or are. Aren't we like 3 million or so under the cap as it is, with Cole? It's not a monumental task to free up some cap space for Jagr. PG just didn't think it would be worth it.

He was wrong.

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12-08-2011, 02:40 PM
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Eg: Wife having baby.
Give the man a prize! That's exactly what I was getting at.

I haven't noticed any real change in Pleks' play or focus this year over last, but if he did look like his mind was elsewhere on occasion, I could understand why, given his circumstances.

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12-08-2011, 02:52 PM
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Mmmm no. I don't think he's been playing that poorly. He's been on a bit of a cold streak lately, but so has the entire team. I also think he's a big boy and able to deal with Jagr making his own decisions.

However, I do fault our management for not landing Jagr, as much as I fault our scouting for not picking Giroux. Philly was more cap-****ed that we were, or are. Aren't we like 3 million or so under the cap as it is, with Cole? It's not a monumental task to free up some cap space for Jagr. PG just didn't think it would be worth it.

He was wrong.
I do fault our management for not landing Crosby, Stamkos, RNH, Malkin and Ovechkin

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12-08-2011, 03:00 PM
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I do fault our management for not landing Crosby, Stamkos, RNH, Malkin and Ovechkin
Lol histrionics always bring something to the conversation.

The difference is we actually had the opportunity to get both Giroux and Jagr. Evidence suggests that timmins even wanted Giroux but failed to 'go with his gut.'

In the case of Jagr, we got outbid, plain and simple.

So, your problem is what, exactly?


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12-08-2011, 03:05 PM
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Thanks for the excellent replies. It took a bit of cajoling but yeah you guys came through with some food for thought.

I can only dream of the chemistry that Plex and Jagr would had had together on this team, I think they would have been rackin 'em up, as they were doing on their national team together. I wouldn't blame Plex for being discouraged cuz of that (and possibly Hamrlik as well).

I used to think the Montreal HF Board was tops, w/ a good mix of excellent analysis and a lot of funny quips (that's why I donated, hint hint).

But recently - as can be seen frequently in this very thread - it seems to have descended into a witless and mean spirited "he/she/it is an idiot" sort of pleasure-less terrain, somewhat like the Ottawa Senator boards.

So yeah, try to remember what your mom taught you about manners guys. And to those who pitched in with some great comments, many thanks for your ideas.

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12-08-2011, 03:18 PM
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What's up with the conspiracy threads?

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12-08-2011, 03:22 PM
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What's up with the conspiracy threads?
Just people who like to stir controversy. Kind of a subtle troll.

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12-08-2011, 03:39 PM
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Lol histrionics always bring something to the conversation.

The difference is we actually had the opportunity to get both Giroux and Jagr. Evidence suggests that timmins even wanted Giroux but failed to 'go with his gut.'

In the case of Jagr, we got outbid, plain and simple.

So, your problem is what, exactly?
The Flyers wanted to draft bobby Sanguinetti but the rangers selected 1 pick before.
Its easy to complain against those thing 5 years later

As for Jagr, Why would he sign with the habs?
He knows how the media treat the players... Maybe he didnt wanted to get all this attention. You cant put the fault to the organisation for not landing a player.

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12-08-2011, 04:03 PM
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The Flyers wanted to draft bobby Sanguinetti but the rangers selected 1 pick before.
Its easy to complain against those thing 5 years later
I'm not getting what you're arguing here? Are you trying to say that the Fischer pick was defensible?

The fact that Timmins is in fact a good head scout does not mean that he is above criticism. The david fischer pick is an albatross and a blotch on his record. To suggest there is no fault in that pick is just silly.

We need impact offensive players, and unfortunately, it does not seem like Timmins is that great at finding them.

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As for Jagr, Why would he sign with the habs?
He knows how the media treat the players... Maybe he didnt wanted to get all this attention. You cant put the fault to the organisation for not landing a player.
Then why would anyone sign here? The answer is, with all things money and contract related, incentive. The basic fact of this is that it is obvious that PG "tried" to sign him, and we got outbid. There was a price to have Jagr, and PG decided that he wasn't worth it. How would you like to pay 4.5+ for another PPG forward(thusfar anyways)?

I can think of worse contracts on our books. PG made a judgement call, and it seems to have been incorrect.

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12-08-2011, 04:38 PM
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Firstly shame on you PricePkPatch for being generally unpleasant and relying on weak ad hominen insults, I had thought better of you.

And how is it that there seems to be collective amnesia here about the entire let's-sign-Jagr thing that happened over the summer?

I seem to recall a lot of people saying that Jagr was keen on signing here.

I don't have any particular inside knowledge but I work in a newsroom with professional sports reporters, so perhaps I heard it there and am pretty sure that Jagr was ours for the taking.

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12-08-2011, 04:45 PM
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You are making rather phony argument taken from speculations and rumors.

Just bringing the argument that is was apparently reported that "Jagr wanted to sign with us" is just further proof you are grasping at straws. We don't know what happened behind the closed doors, except that Jagr picked Philly in the end.

You make assumption about our management's effort to sign Jagr, about Jagr's desire to play here, about Plek's desire to play with Jagr and the reasons Plek didn't played on par with previous seasons.

That's more than 3 strikes, get out of here.

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12-08-2011, 04:52 PM
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Timeout. When and how did Pleks get the nickname, the gangsta?

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12-08-2011, 04:56 PM
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Timeout. When and how did Pleks get the nickname, the gangsta?
Sometime before the ATM line was introduced. That, combined with the Gangsta Thug-laif Pleks meme produced one of the greatest gifs ever, with AK balancing a brick of cash on his head, Pleks making it rain, and Cammi showin tha blang.

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12-08-2011, 04:59 PM
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Pleks hasn't been great lately but he's having to put in a lot of defensive work and support less than consistent wingers who aren't helping him at all. He's been off a little but he's still our only consistently good forward 90% of the time.

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12-08-2011, 05:15 PM
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Plex has been better than the real disappointments: Cammalleri and Gionta... and obviously Gomez... so it's hard to be particularly disappointed in his play but nonetheless he should have more than six goals, I'd love to see him outdo his 29 goal season but he's not even projected to get 20.

Skating, penalty killing and all that other stuff he does is very good but he's got to score some goals, especially since so many others are not.

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12-08-2011, 05:33 PM
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Jagr's agent Petry Svoboda played for, and still lives in Montreal.

Along with Hamrlik and Plekanec, the Czech triumverate would have been an interesting possibility.

We were universally projected to be on Jagr's shortlist.

“Montreal and Canada, it’s totally different hockey,” Jagr told Dan Barnes of the Edmonton Journal. “The fans are crazy about hockey and I’ve never played in Canada in my life. You never know.”

You could imagine that Plek was salivating at the possibilities, especially since he had just played alongside Jagr this spring and they had great chemistry.

We elected to re-sign Markov instead.


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12-08-2011, 05:39 PM
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I used to think the Montreal HF Board was tops, w/ a good mix of excellent analysis and a lot of funny quips (that's why I donated, hint hint).
It never was like this, just a gathering place for knuckle-heads since I have been here, and I'm proud to be a king knuckle-head.

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12-08-2011, 05:57 PM
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.... Montreal needs to get Selanne in a Habs Jersey to play with Koivu. That would be AMAZING. Koivu would be a 90 point player. Bla bla bla

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12-08-2011, 06:07 PM
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Good point, I wonder if Koivu wasn't disappointed that the Habs never got Selanne or other Finns during his time here. But didn't Koivu persuade us to get some young Finnish kid in his last year here - a guy that didn't pan out ultimately?

I'm sure players constantly lobby management to get their pals or compatriots on the team.

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I'd still take Teemu on the Habs.

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This thread sucks compared to the Price undiagnosed concussion.

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OP you talk alot about Plekanec's projections, but you do know that hockey players do not tend to score in a linear fashion throughout the entire season, right? Forget about the fact that Plex leads the team in points right now. Consider that based on production to date, Travis Moen is projected to score 23 goals. Think that's gonna happen? Probably not, right? But if not, why not? Is he also upset the Habs didn't sign/acquire someone?

If I was Tomas Plekanec I'd just have to , thinking this tripe comes from a so-called fan.

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12-09-2011, 12:18 AM
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yes.

you are completely right, he is pouting over jagr. it's too bad that he just remembered 5 games ago that jagr didn't sign here otherwise he would have had a really bad start


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No. But I can tell some jokes later if you like.

Plex was disappointed by the Jagr decision. No secret there.

He might've suffered a little demotivation as a result of that disappointment.
How was he disappointed to the point of taking a hissy fit and not play well. Your hypothesis makes no sense.

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