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12-09-2011, 12:32 PM
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I think it's time to ask Kimmo for a list of teams he'll play for. He's going to be dead by March. Get some younger dmen in and work towards the next couple of years.

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which everyone knows he will overpay for. If he gave up a 1st and a 3rd for Versteeg what does a top 4 defenseman get? Holmgren is going to be held over a barrell for a defenseman and we all know Holmgren will cave in.

Versteeg's in the top 20 for points isn't he? Doesn't seem like bad value at all. Not Homer's fault he was injured or whether Lavy couldn't use him.


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I think it's time to ask Kimmo for a list of teams he'll play for. He's going to be dead by March. Get some younger dmen in and work towards the next couple of years.
Ha, absolutely not. This is the Philadelphia Flyers.

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Pens fan in peace. Terrible news about Pronger. Sucks to see your captain out with a concussion, we know how you feel. You guys have a great team, you'll bounce back. Goodluck. See ya on the 29th!

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I think it's time to ask Kimmo for a list of teams he'll play for. He's going to be dead by March. Get some younger dmen in and work towards the next couple of years.
The problem is we actually DO have a shot at a cup this year, but only with Timmo. I'll admit that I think there are better teams out there, but overall that's not what it's really about. If Pronger and Schenn came back at the right time and we used the LTIR credits to pickup a solid D-Man I think we could potentially beat any team in the league in a 7 game series. You don't mortgage that kind of opportunity away for the future, especially when you still have solid young talent and a new CBA could potentially give you some sort of out towards your problems, which isn't impossible considering the bargaining power Snider will have come negotiations time as the guy who ponied up the money for the new tv contract.

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12-09-2011, 12:39 PM
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Eh. I don't see this team beating a healthy Pittsburgh, or Boston. Without Pronger the odds are even slimmer.

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I think it's time to ask Kimmo for a list of teams he'll play for. He's going to be dead by March. Get some younger dmen in and work towards the next couple of years.
We're giving up on the season after taking over the #1 spot?

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12-09-2011, 12:39 PM
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We will probably wait. Pronger was going to be out for next 3-4 weeks anyway.

Smart thing to do right now is do nothing.

What if Bryzgalov plays like Tretyak.....

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Eh. I don't see this team beating a healthy Pittsburgh, or Boston. Without Pronger the odds are even slimmer.
Just because it isn't likely doesn't mean it wouldn't happen. Pittsburgh is good but even healthy I still think they only beat us 65% of the time tops. Same with Boston. Parity, man. Parity. 7 game series depends a lot on luck.

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We're giving up on the season after taking over the #1 spot?
Kimmo wears out as the season progresses and he's already shouldering the load this season. He's going to be dead by the time the playoffs roll around.

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Our oldest star and supposedly youngest star (hold Giroux) with concussions...

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Just because it isn't likely doesn't mean it wouldn't happen. Pittsburgh is good but even healthy I still think they only beat us 65% of the time tops. Same with Boston. Parity, man. Parity. 7 game series depends a lot on luck.
The flyers might beat them in a single game in the regular season, but they match up very poorly with both of those teams in the playoffs. Both are very physical and in a 7 game series, I think they would get worn down.

plus, the odds of any team winning the cup with this many rookies in the lineup is slim. they should focus on the years to come

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Kimmo wears out as the season progresses and he's already shouldering the load this season. He's going to be dead by the time the playoffs roll around.
Then you make a trade to bring him help, rather than getting rid of him...silliest idea I've heard in a while.

And...my god, what the hell is with the "well we won't win the cup so why try" sentiment? You're right, we have no shot unless we bring back Michael ****ing Leighton to play nets, then we're guaranteed at least conference finals. Get outta here with that. Briere/Giroux in the playoffs, all I care about. Make a trade for a solid defender, tighten up the team's defensive play, continue to contend.

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I think it's time to ask Kimmo for a list of teams he'll play for. He's going to be dead by March. Get some younger dmen in and work towards the next couple of years.
I'd only do this if the team takes a major dump in the second half, kinda like they did in Hitch's last full season

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I'd only do this if the team takes a major dump in the second half, kinda like they did in Hitch's last full season
Or in the last two seasons as well.

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Then you make a trade to bring him help, rather than getting rid of him...silliest idea I've heard in a while.

And...my god, what the hell is with the "well we won't win the cup so why try" sentiment?
You're right, we have no shot unless we bring back Michael ****ing Leighton to play nets, then we're guaranteed at least conference finals. Get outta here with that. Briere/Giroux in the playoffs, all I care about. Make a trade for a solid defender, tighten up the team's defensive play, continue to contend.

Transference of Carter and Richards ********.

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So we gave up a lot of picks for Pronger and some decent players in Sbisa and Lupul. Now we have to bleed another batch of assets so soon after stockpiling some from the summer trade. Meanwhile, it looks like we got a one-off trip to the finals and single full season from Pronger.

Holmgren said ask me in a few years if the trade was worth it and so far looks like the answer is no. Of course, who can predict injuries but when a player is the age of Pronger with so many miles on him it's not exactly some big outlier. Yeah he takes care of himself but so does my grandpa.... doesn't change the fact he's 80 years old...

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Then you make a trade to bring him help, rather than getting rid of him...silliest idea I've heard in a while.

And...my god, what the hell is with the "well we won't win the cup so why try" sentiment? You're right, we have no shot unless we bring back Michael ****ing Leighton to play nets, then we're guaranteed at least conference finals. Get outta here with that. Briere/Giroux in the playoffs, all I care about. Make a trade for a solid defender, tighten up the team's defensive play, continue to contend.
Agreed. Bottom line is when you're winning as many games as the Flyers are you AREN'T a seller. Period. You deal picks at the deadline to fill whatever holes you have and take your best shot at the playoffs. Boston wasn't the best team in the league last year. Also, keep in mind the Flyers are winning more games by playing hockey than anyone else this year. Just look at the ROW statistic. It's pretty much the sole mechanism I've been using for gauging teams lately. It ONLY includes wins from scoring ACTUAL goals (which are all that matter in the playoffs). Any team leading the league in ROW is capable of beating any other team in a 7 game series, luck permitting.

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Transference of Carter and Richards ********.
Yeah it's funny how the hens of hell have decended.....

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Agreed. Bottom line is when you're winning as many games as the Flyers are you AREN'T a seller. Period. You deal picks at the deadline to fill whatever holes you have and take your best shot at the playoffs. Boston wasn't the best team in the league last year. Also, keep in mind the Flyers are winning more games by playing hockey than anyone else this year. Just look at the ROW statistic. It's pretty much the sole mechanism I've been using for gauging teams lately. It ONLY includes wins from scoring ACTUAL goals (which are all that matter in the playoffs). Any team leading the league in ROW is capable of beating any other team in a 7 game series, luck permitting.
Plus, you don't know what injuries other teams are going to have to deal with.

Besides, it's not like "out indefinitely" means "dead." 5 months is a long time. I've said all along, I don't care if Pronger plays a single regular before April.

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We're first place in the East without much help from either of these guys, and people are really saying we should prepare for the coming years?

I see why they say Philly fans are negative.

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So we gave up a lot of picks for Pronger and some decent players in Sbisa and Lupul. Now we have to bleed another batch of assets so soon after stockpiling some from the summer trade. Meanwhile, it looks like we got a one-off trip to the finals and single full season from Pronger.

Holmgren said ask me in a few years if the trade was worth it and so far looks like the answer is no. Of course, who can predict injuries but when a player is the age of Pronger with so many miles on him it's not exactly some big outlier. Yeah he takes care of himself but so does my grandpa.... doesn't change the fact he's 80 years old...
The Finals run Pronger was instrumental in does a lot to help the trade in my book. However, this does make his re-signing and the botching of the 35+ rule look even worse. Ugh.

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We're first place in the East without much help from either of these guys, and people are really saying we should prepare for the coming years?

I see why they say Philly fans are negative.
Well without a healthy Pronger and with Timonen getting ridden into the ground like we've always allowed like with Howe and Desjardins..I would say on the back end we do need to plan for contingencies. The D can hold up for now as they are doing but not for much longer. Guys are playing lots of increased minutes like Carle and Timonen. Carle can't sustain his level of play b/c well...he's Carle and Timonen is not a spring chicken obviously. Mesz and Coburn might hold up b/c they are younger but beyond that the immediate future and long term future with the way our D is consituted now is not encouraging. Need to look beyond what is going on now which is great but not likely sustainable.

No matter what, they need to add an impact D man prior to the trade deadline in some way....may have to give up more than we like given the premium on D around the league right now

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Prongs will be healthy and well rested for when it really counts.

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