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12-09-2011, 05:29 PM
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How anyone can dislike this trade is beyond me. We traded Spacek people. SPACEK. We got back a possible PP QB. OUR BIGGEST NEED.
Didn't we SIGN a PP QB in Markov this past season? Incompetent is all I can say.

All these people were disgusted that some of us wanted Wiz or another UFA Dman instead of Markov. Complaining about not wanting an overpaid DMan and such. Well look what we have now. An injured Dman who has yet to play a game and a struggling, old, overpaid Dman in Kaberle. Incompetent!!

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He will help the PP guys, and if we can get that going, we will a few more games...it addresses a need...we seem to be better at 5 vs 5 and the PK has been good...why such negativity???
Very hard typing the "w" word isn't it?

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Like the move. Spotcheck sucked for 2 years. We have a d-guy who was pretty good last season, prior to going to Boston. He will be better with us than with Carolina.

By the way Kaberle looks like Michel Langevin.

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wait and see- i think alot will be dissapointed- he also has to play some D-
How can people be dissapointed.....almost everyone i read in here is or was against the trade ! They can only say, i told you so ! Otherwise most will just crawl back in the bandwagon hole they came out of if he does well.

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Campoli and Markov are weeks away and Subban needs the experience.

The biggest need is getting Gomez off the team.
Campoli will play Saturday !

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12-09-2011, 05:33 PM
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It has already been hashed over a dozen times that Boston's PP was crap all season before Kaberle even arrived.
Fine. Let's say we let that one drop then, even though it was obvious to everyone, and commented on by colour commentators on almost a nightly basis how many mistakes, double clutches, passes when shots should have been taken, etc he made. How incredible could his play have been, if he went from being a fairly consistent 20+ mins/night guy during the season to playing 15 mins or less in 11 or 12 of 25 playoff games (including only 9 mins when the entire season was on the line in game 7) despite not being injured? Answer: he was quit horrible actually.

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As for the money pit, well, to be honest, no teams mismanaged money more than the Flyers and the Devils and they found ways. Montreal will find a way. Gomez is a goner, either somewhere else in the NHL or with Hamilton next season. No doubt. His supposed injury is weird anyways. Don't believe he's that injured. Looks more like they're keeping him off the roster if you ask me.

Desharnais will be the 2nd center of the team for the next couple of years. The guy I would eventually trade to get a bigger fish is...Plekanec.

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He was traded to Boston and regressed a little. HE then signed in Carolina and just **** the bed completely. I guess he can't get much worse than he is at the moment but risking over 4 million of your cap on a player that hasn't done really much of anything since leaving Toronto is a big risk that could really hurt.
Who in carolina did not crap the bed this year? Skinner and Larose?
Team is horrible..

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I wonder if Nokelainen will give him #15 since Kaberle is set to stay here another 2 seasons. He looks odd with other numbers on his back.
No, more 70s are needed.

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Yeah but you can't rely on a guy like Spacek because you don't know if :

1) He will suck

or

2) He will be injured
I agree but the PP is the issue. Why not at least try it with Campoli in the lineup. It's why the Habs got him to begin with.

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Campoli and Markov are weeks away and Subban needs the experience.

The biggest need is getting Gomez off the team.
By weeks do you mean one day? LOL

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his very weak, and he better help , or else the boo birds will be out

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Didn't we SIGN a PP QB in Markov this past season? Incompetent is all I can say.

All these people were disgusted that some of us wanted Wiz or another UFA Dman instead of Markov. Complaining about not wanting an overpaid DMan and such. Well look what we have now. An injured Dman who has yet to play a game and a struggling, old, overpaid Dman in Kaberle. Incompetent!!
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How can people be dissapointed.....almost everyone i read in here is or was against the trade ! They can only say, i told you so ! Otherwise most will just crawl back in the bandwagon hole they came out of if he does well.
Because instead of looking to spend Spacek's freed up money next year on real solutions for the future, we have even less money/cap available and only have Kaberle to show for it... for two more years on top of this one, to boot. I don't think anyone is pitchfork and torch disappointed, but I'm surprised that so many people are not just meh about this, but actually happy/encouraged.

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Give the guy a chance. If he doesnt pan out, send him to the minors along with Gomez and problem solved.
No more cap hit, the money becomes available again, Molson flips the bill and everybody's happy. I know no ones cares about the millions in Molsons bank account, i sure dont.

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Fine. Let's say we let that one drop then, even though it was obvious to everyone, and commented on by colour commentators on almost a nightly basis how many mistakes, double clutches, passes when shots should have been taken, etc he made. How incredible could his play have been, if he went from being a fairly consistent 20+ mins/night guy during the season to playing 15 mins or less in 11 or 12 of 25 playoff games (including only 9 mins when the entire season was on the line in game 7) despite not being injured? Answer: he was quit horrible actually.
For the same reason that Cole blew goats in Edmonton, but is the shazbot here and Carolina?

Expecting the same results from two completely different situations must be almost as crazy as expecting different results from doing the same thing over and over again.

The biggest problem with the Boston PP is it gave Kaberle no trigger men. Remember that game in the playoffs when Seguin was put on the off wing and all of a sudden Boston had a PP? There's a reason for that: he's the only guy on that unit who had any sort of a one timer.

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Lol Like we got Kaberle for Spacek...lol come on...

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m) / Lars Eller ($1.850m) / Louis Leblanc ($1.170m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Ryan White ($0.625m)
/ Petteri Nokelainen ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($2.500m)
Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m) / Josh Gorges ($3.000m)
Alexei Emelin ($1.500m) / Raphael Diaz ($0.900m)
Yannick Weber ($0.850m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($5.000m) / Peter Budaj ($1.150m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,427,143; BONUSES: $300,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$2,127,143



Here are my conservative estimates next year, it will probably be more, but as you can see, we are still $2 million in the hole.

This begs the question......what's our next move?

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Well sure but Spacek was playing decent hockey and about ready to come back. The idea is to improve the team, right? The Habs are not in a playoff spot. Just saying I would have given it a try when it was to happen anyway. Rutherford must have told Gauthier he had another taker and Gauthier bit. LOL
Spacek coming back would not improve our Powerplay. Kaberle MIGHT be able to do that but we KNOW Spacek won't. So we either improved our powerplay or didn't change anything. Either Kaberle helps our powerplay work or he can sit and we go back to the way it was before we got him while Spacek was out. How is this a bad thing?

Edit: LOL @ Price with 5 million cap hit as RFA. Might as well Luongo him and avoid the UFA price.

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I don't get all the negative comments here. Karberle is a great PP QB, and it soild with the puck and makes a good first pass out of the zone. Disregard what I said someone just informed me its not 2003 anymore

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You won't be saying that when we try to fit Price-Subban-Gorges into the Cap next season. Spacek's contract was nice & gone!

I swear some fans have no long term vision, just want now...
Kaberles contract is very tradeable. 4.25 for a PP QB is not much at all, and with only 2 years left, we should be able to get back an asset better than Spacek back. Talk about a lack of long term vision...

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I don't think most of you knee-jerk cynics really realize what an impact not having a PP QB has had on our team.
However, Gauthier and Martin both pointed to how well Kaberle played in helping the Bruins win the Stanley Cup, even though the defenseman's minutes were severely cut by Bruins coach Claude Julien as the playoffs moved along last spring. In fact, Kaberle did not top 20 minutes in ice time once after Game 5 of the first round against the Canadiens -- a series that the Bruins won without scoring a single power-play goal.

"He played very well for Boston; they won the Stanley Cup," Gauthier said. "And if you look at his statistics, it's actually encouraging that when he joined a good club he performed in his role. He was able to adapt relatively quickly."


I looked at the stats Gauthier was referring to. Four hits in 25 games... FOUR! He was last among defensemen in blocked shots and second in giveaways. Despite leading the team on PP time on ice by a wide margin he had 5 PP points, again in 25 games. That works out to about 15 points over an 82 game schedule.

Even with his extensive PP time, Kaberle was 5th on the team on total time on ice, which tells me that he could barely be trusted at 5 on 5 play.

Does Gauthier think we won't double check his story?

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m) / Lars Eller ($1.850m) / Louis Leblanc ($1.170m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Ryan White ($0.625m)
/ Petteri Nokelainen ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($2.500m)
Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m) / Josh Gorges ($3.000m)
Alexei Emelin ($1.500m) / Raphael Diaz ($0.900m)
Yannick Weber ($0.850m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($5.000m) / Peter Budaj ($1.150m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,427,143; BONUSES: $300,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): -$2,127,143



Here are my conservative estimates next year, it will probably be more, but as you can see, we are still $2 million in the hole.

This begs the question......what's our next move?


Gomez is as good as gone right now. No way we keep his cap hit next year.

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So would now be a good time to start the "Welcome Kaberle" thread?

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I don't get all the negative comments here. Karberle is a great PP QB, and it soild with the puck and makes a good first pass out of the zone. Disregard what I said someone just informed me its not 2003 anymore
47 pts in 2003

47 pts last year

your point is?

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