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12-09-2011, 11:36 PM
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I am really not all that surprised, when he was describing the virus, he and the doctors had no idea what was wrong.

At least he didn't suffer another concussion when he came back and played again.


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12-10-2011, 07:57 AM
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Jeez, the guy hasn't even seen the specialist yet and he passed his original base line test last week but people are already putting him out to pasture.

Willie Mitchell and Recchi had much worse concussions late in their careers and cme back.

Some guys that may be able to be acquired without breaking the bank...

Sutton - big, physical and would offer a poor man's version of Pronger. (@$2MM)

Beauchemin - eats up mins and blocks a ton of shots. (@ $3.8MM)

Hannan - physical and cheap.

Oduya - steady guy

Gonchar - ????
The only guy I would want is Beauchemin. Hannan is going backwards, Oduya sucks, and at the rate Sutton is going, he's going to be suspended for the rest of the season before by Valentine's Day.

This is why the team invested in so much in the guys behind Pronger mind you. And you can't have Kevin Marshall playing less than 7 minutes per game.

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12-10-2011, 08:18 AM
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The only guy I would want is Beauchemin. Hannan is going backwards, Oduya sucks, and at the rate Sutton is going, he's going to be suspended for the rest of the season before by Valentine's Day.

This is why the team invested in so much in the guys behind Pronger mind you. And you can't have Kevin Marshall playing less than 7 minutes per game.
Not really. Still blocks shots, still averaging 20min per game, does not take too many penalties, PK. Not as physical as he used to be but still very decent and affordable.

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12-10-2011, 08:28 AM
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Ew, do not want Gonchar.


I don't really want to overpay grossly for an extra defenseman. It's better to wait and see how this will play out. If Pronger is back by Feb-March there shouldn't be an issue.

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12-10-2011, 08:50 AM
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Gonchar is ****ing awful. The only way I want him on my team is if they have the lowest GAA in the league and can't score to save their lives (pretty much the opposite make up of the Flyers). Other than that, no freakin way. Old and soft and overpaid.

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12-10-2011, 09:05 AM
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If Gustafsson comes back soon, that would be a big boost to the D. Before he got hurt, he was averaging over 18 minutes of ice time and looked very good out there. Laviolette just needs to avoid overworking the top four and get the 5 and 6 D guys more involved in the game. If he can do that, there shouldn't be a need to look for another top four guy while Pronger is out.

With that being said, I don't think Holmgren can sit still while this is going on. If the Flyers go on a losing streak and if Laviolette ends up playing the crap out of the top four, Holmgren will go shopping. Another name to consider - Cody Franson from Toronto. Big guy who can skate and is a pretty decent defender with a good offensive game. Might not be the most physical of players, but certainly is good with regards to positional play

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12-10-2011, 10:29 AM
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Need to think of life without Pronger period, rather than just thinking of a band aid til Pronger returns.

I'd say the biggest problem Philly would face would be if he comes back before the POs. Then the guys would start RELYING on him, and he'll get hurt again in or near the POs, and all Philly PO hopes would be snuffed out.

No. I say no. We cannot rely on him any more. The lineup has to feature a Dman so good thta Philly can win the Cup without Pronger.

And I think only Suter or Weber fits that bill.

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12-10-2011, 10:49 AM
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As has been posted x 1000 by others, I don't believe that either Suter or Webere are going anywhere. Holmgren, though, could offer someone to Nashville for Blum or Klein. Bogosian, despite his flirtations with bustness, could also be an interesting target for one of the young promising Flyer forwards.

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Need to think of life without Pronger period, rather than just thinking of a band aid til Pronger returns.

I'd say the biggest problem Philly would face would be if he comes back before the POs. Then the guys would start RELYING on him, and he'll get hurt again in or near the POs, and all Philly PO hopes would be snuffed out.

No. I say no. We cannot rely on him any more. The lineup has to feature a Dman so good thta Philly can win the Cup without Pronger.

And I think only Suter or Weber fits that bill.
Nashville holds all the cards when it comes to these guys so the other 29 teams are going to have to battle it out to get one of them, and that's just assuming Nashville won't re-sign them.

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In my view I feel both, Weber AND Suter stay in Nashville.


Not a big Klein fan, would love Blum but I don't think anything will happen until Weber/Suter situation is settled.

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Nashville holds all the cards when it comes to these guys so the other 29 teams are going to have to battle it out to get one of them, and that's just assuming Nashville won't re-sign them.
nashville is going to have a ***** of a time signing both weber and suter after the money they gave rinne and with the way the team has been playing this season . I dont think they will be able to keep em both rather its a matter of them wanting to go on to better things or if its about money ( nashville isnt a big spender historically) of the 2 suter is the better defensivly ..that said Detroit is the hunt for one of them and will have the money this off season

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nashville is going to have a ***** of a time signing both weber and suter after the money they gave rinne and with the way the team has been playing this season . I dont think they will be able to keep em both rather its a matter of them wanting to go on to better things or if its about money ( nashville isnt a big spender historically) of the 2 suter is the better defensivly ..that said Detroit is the hunt for one of them and will have the money this off season
Nashville is willing to spend on Rinne, Suter and Weber to keep them together.

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Not really. Still blocks shots, still averaging 20min per game, does not take too many penalties, PK. Not as physical as he used to be but still very decent and affordable.
The numbers look like we're better off with Andreas Lilja, who Bourdon has been better than. Pass.

If the decision is Hannan or Walker, then it's definitely Hannan. He should be slotted as a 7th defenseman on any team with realistic expectations (which the Flames don't have).


It seems strange to say this, because this is why we have Meszaros, but we're still planning for life without Pronger, and even when Pronger comes back, the Flyers can no longer assume he's an 80-game player.

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12-10-2011, 02:55 PM
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So guys, what is the solution then? Hard or impossible to get Suter or Weber..then what do we do?

No combination of Coburn, Mesz, Bogosian, Klein, Beauchemin et al can replace Pronger.

I say we should have the cheapest possible 5th and 6th Dman, and build an unbeatable Top 4. Two of our long term Top 4 are Mesz and Coburn, and we need another 2 that are as good as Pronger and Timo (who'll retire soon I believe).

Get rid of everyone who is even remotely overpaid on our roster to clear space for a monster offer that Suter or Weber cannot possibly turn down and no team could possibly match.

So.. who can be gotten rid of? Carle and his 4.5 mil are an obvious start. Who else?

I suggest 7-8 mil needed. A long term as well, 6 yrs maybe?

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So guys, what is the solution then? Hard or impossible to get Suter or Weber..then what do we do?

No combination of Coburn, Mesz, Bogosian, Klein, Beauchemin et al can replace Pronger.

I say we should have the cheapest possible 5th and 6th Dman, and build an unbeatable Top 4. Two of our long term Top 4 are Mesz and Coburn, and we need another 2 that are as good as Pronger and Timo (who'll retire soon I believe).

Get rid of everyone who is even remotely overpaid on our roster to clear space for a monster offer that Suter or Weber cannot possibly turn down and no team could possibly match.

So.. who can be gotten rid of? Carle and his 4.5 mil are an obvious start. Who else?

I suggest 7-8 mil needed. A long term as well, 6 yrs maybe?
You do realize we have no say in this right?

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So guys, what is the solution then? Hard or impossible to get Suter or Weber..then what do we do?

No combination of Coburn, Mesz, Bogosian, Klein, Beauchemin et al can replace Pronger.
He's hurt, it sucks. You don't try to replace him. You evaluate your team from a fresh perspective, outside of the context of what it looks like with Chris Pronger on it. Every injury need not be addressed by a trade.

Forgetting we have Pronger on the roster, our defense corp currently is adequate. Let them play, that is what you do. There are enough new faces in the mix between Gus Bourdon and Marshall that it makes sense to see if one of them can lay claim to a roster spot. If not , then we should have some bodies back by play-off time and you take your chances with what you've got. This wasn't supposed to be a cup team this year anyway.

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Nicklas Grossman homer is kicking the tires so EK says....


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So guys, what is the solution then? Hard or impossible to get Suter or Weber..then what do we do?

No combination of Coburn, Mesz, Bogosian, Klein, Beauchemin et al can replace Pronger.

I say we should have the cheapest possible 5th and 6th Dman, and build an unbeatable Top 4. Two of our long term Top 4 are Mesz and Coburn, and we need another 2 that are as good as Pronger and Timo (who'll retire soon I believe).

Get rid of everyone who is even remotely overpaid on our roster to clear space for a monster offer that Suter or Weber cannot possibly turn down and no team could possibly match.

So.. who can be gotten rid of? Carle and his 4.5 mil are an obvious start. Who else?

I suggest 7-8 mil needed. A long term as well, 6 yrs maybe?
Carle doesn't make 4.5.

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Nicklas Grossman homer is kicking the tires so EK says....
Grossman isn't that bad of an idea, I think. He is big and physical and adds some snarl to the backend. Can play 18-20 minutes without problem. Can eat some minutes on the pk.

He has no offensive instincts though.

I have no idea what Dallas could want in return, but he is an UFA this summer I believe, so it can't be that much.

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These appear to be quotes from someone not directly associated with the medical evaluations of Pronger, but nonetheless, still offers interesting analysis on the situation at hand:

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Douglas Smith, director of the center for brain injury and repair at the University of Pennsylvania, said there is "no such thing" as a mild or minor concussion. He said any kind of concussion often leads to chronic headaches.
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The veteran defenseman passed a concussion test, but the headaches continued. (In an unrelated matter, Pronger had arthroscopic surgery on his left knee on Dec. 2.)

Since Pronger now has concussion-like symptoms, there has been speculation that it is related to when he was hit in the eye in late October.

Smith, who has spent the last 18 years devoted to neurotrauma research, said a blow to the eye "certainly can cause rapid acceleration of the brain, which can cause a concussion."

The Flyers announced that Pronger had a "virus" and headaches on Nov. 21, which was nearly a month after he suffered the eye injury.

With most concussions, the headaches start "within days or a week," Smith said, but it can be longer.

During the five games he played after returning from his eye injury, Pronger said he does not remember getting hit in the head during that time.

But Smith said that "any kind of hit" to another part of the body could have triggered the problem, since the head may have already been injured.

"Another hit can send spasms," he said.

Smith said 15 percent of people who suffer a "mild" concussion "go on to have a persistent cognitive dysfunction and their processing speed is lower and their memory is not as sharp for a long time, perhaps for the rest of their life.

"On top of that, this is an injury that is known for increasing the chances of Alzheimer's disease. This is an injury that can keep on taking."
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I was listening to Montreal sports radio last night when Pierre Mcguire was on. He coached Pronger is Hartford and is still good friends with him. He said Pronger is very scared about the head injury. Said he has never seen Chris scared.....until now.

Pronger has made his money and will get paid regardless, he has won his Stanley Cups, he has left teams before (Edmonton) and I DONT THINK he will return at the jeopardy of his future.

I get this terrible gut feeling that will all these injuries, with the new concussion issues, Chris Pronger will NEVER play again.

Am I alone? I keep seeing people talking about "when Pronger comes back"......I am more thinking "IF Pronger comes back". I think him coming back this year is "Questionable", coming back at all is "probable"

Horrible.

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