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Philadelphia looking at Niklas Grossman

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12-10-2011, 04:43 PM
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Philadelphia looking at Niklas Grossman

what would Philly offer for Grossman.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...ossman/1/40422


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meh. Ek is fairly good when it comes to Flyers rumors.

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what would Philly offer for Grossman.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklun...ossman/1/40422
I like Grossman and think he is dramatically underrated for the job he does defensively. With that said, is Dallas in the position to trade away a young(ish) relatively inexpensive shut down dman?

As for fair value Simmonds? I'm not really sure.


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Only one warning; we don't need any "Eklund is a hack!" type posts. We get it. Regardless of your opinion on him, the administrators consider him a legitimate source. Discuss the rumour, not the creator of it.

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Would picks get it done? What's his cap hit?

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Would picks get it done? What's his cap hit?
Dallas has playoff hopes so I doubt picks would be enough for a guy who's played almost 20 mins a night for them.

His cap hit is 1.65 I think

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I'll trust this one, he's decent with Philly, and Grossman is too "no name" to be making up a rumor about him. However, he's a big, relatively young, pretty solid defensive dman who plays almost 20 minutes a game for Dallas, I doubt they'll just be giving him away.

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12-10-2011, 05:18 PM
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I don't know how I would feel about a Grossman trade. We have an abundance of Dmen currently and one will likely be moved, but Grossman is so reliable and underrated for what he does. Solid player you never really have to worry about at a good cap hit 1.6. That being said if there would be some way to get one of Schenn/JvR/Couturier in a deal I'd be okay with moving him.

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I don't know how I would feel about a Grossman trade. We have an abundance of Dmen currently and one will likely be moved, but Grossman is so reliable and underrated for what he does. Solid player you never really have to worry about at a good cap hit 1.6. That being said if there would be some way to get one of Schenn/JvR/Couturier in a deal I'd be okay with moving him.
You better include Benn if you want one of Schenn/JVR/Couturier.

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I don't know how I would feel about a Grossman trade. We have an abundance of Dmen currently and one will likely be moved, but Grossman is so reliable and underrated for what he does. Solid player you never really have to worry about at a good cap hit 1.6. That being said if there would be some way to get one of Schenn/JvR/Couturier in a deal I'd be okay with moving him.
As much as I agree that Grossman is underrated he is not the type of player to land a Schenn/JVR/Couturier type player even with other pieces added. To get one of those 3 it would require a young potential top pairing dman to even start discussions.

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You better include Benn if you want one of Schenn/JVR/Couturier.
To acquire Benn, it would probably require ALL of those players going back to Dallas.

In regards to Grossman...Philly could certainly use a player like him. Could probably garner a good pick or a good player plus a mid pick.

In terms of a shakeup trade, maybe Voracek for Grossman + pick/prospect? Just brainstorming.

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The reason Dallas would trade Grossman is they are about to have 8 healthy D. Pardy has done little to earn a full time role in the lineup, and Philip Larsen seems to have stolen a position in the Top 6. Something has to give.

Most people hope that Larsen has really stolen that spot, but many Dallas fans (myself included) have speculated that Dallas will go the easy route and just put Larsen back in the AHL. However, Gulutzen recently said the pair of Goligoski and Larsen could stick for a while so there is hope.

The next easiest move would be to just waive Pardy and allow him to go play in Austin. It would be a bonus to Pardy if they would expose him to re-entry, but I don't know how many teams would want to commit to the extra year.

Fistric and Grossman are other options since they are similar players. Fistric comes back next Tuesday or Wednesday giving the Stars 8 D. However, Burish is still on IR, and Dallas could carry 8 until Burish returns after the East coast road swing.

To say the least, there is at least some potential for a trade in the next 1 to 2 weeks. If Dallas was trading Grossman now, I feel they'd try and improve the current team. I like Fistric, but I still believe Grossman is better than Fistric or Pardy. The only reason to move him would be to improve the forward group or if a fantastic futures (pick/prospect) was coming over.

Dallas and the new owners aren't going to waste this good start. People are returning to games, and making the playoffs is very important. They're surviving pretty well without Lehtonen right now, and they really aren't close to being out of the race yet.

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I'm okay with this!

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The when Gusty, Lily or Prongs come back Bourdon can go down. Nothing against Bourdon but you get the idea.

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Simmonds is a GM Joe type player. I don't believe Gross has the value to land him, but what if Dallas included Vincour?

I love Vincour, and I really believe he could be a very good player for Dallas for a long time.

That said, if those 2 players could land Simmonds (and like I said I don't know if that's possible), I think it'd be a wise move.

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Simmonds is a GM Joe type player. I don't believe Gross has the value to land him, but what if Dallas included Vincour?

I love Vincour, and I really believe he could be a very good player for Dallas for a long time.

That said, if those 2 players could land Simmonds (and like I said I don't know if that's possible), I think it'd be a wise move.
I just looked at Vincour's stats. They aren't very good. Is he defensive minded? And to add to that we don't need another center.

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I just looked at Vincour's stats. They aren't very good. Is he defensive minded? And to add to that we don't need another center.
He's 21, and still finding his scoring touch. He was having an excellent goal scoring year in the AHL though.

He is very, very good without the puck. He's one of Dallas' most consistent with tracking back and breaking up plays. He seems to fight every night, and he always gets himself in positions to score they just aren't going in right now.

I'd actually hate to see him traded, and I think he and Simmonds could end up with similar careers. Simmonds is a bit nastier though.

GM Joe has just been very clear about the type of players he is adding, and Simmonds was the best on your team that would seem to fit that mold and might actually be available. At least I figured there was a much better chance for him than Schenn/JVR. I know that's not realistic at all.

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TBH I think Simmonds for Grossman would be an extremely fair trade given each team's needs right now.

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Oh yeah, and he isn't a center. He plays RW primarily, but he can also play LW. He only played some center in the WHL, but I think he actually spent most of his time on a wing there as well.

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TBH I think Simmonds for Grossman would be an extremely fair trade given each team's needs right now.
That'd be great if true. I just didn't want to throw something out there that was absurd especially since he was a part of a deal that saw Mike Richards leave. I know Schenn was the big piece and all, but still ...

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By fight, I don't mean fisticuffs. I should have been more clear. He battles hard every night in all three zones. He is the anti-Euro stereotype that people like to throw out.

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To acquire Benn, it would probably require ALL of those players going back to Dallas.
JVR = Benn

So no, we wouldn't have to include all of those to get Benn, not even two.


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Simmonds is a GM Joe type player. I don't believe Gross has the value to land him, but what if Dallas included Vincour?

I love Vincour, and I really believe he could be a very good player for Dallas for a long time.

That said, if those 2 players could land Simmonds (and like I said I don't know if that's possible), I think it'd be a wise move.
Grossman for Simmonds? No.

Grossman and Vincour for Simmonds? Hell no!

Zenith mentioned something with Voracek.

I think Grossman (+ picks?) for Voracek is good.

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JVR = Benn

So no, we wouldn't have to include all of those to get Benn, not even two..
Not really.

No chance Dallas would do Benn for JVR, or even JVR and more.

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I didn't mean Grossman for JvR/Schenn/couturier straight up. I just meant if one of those guys were what the Stars were acquired for Grossman+ I'd be happy, but I don't think I would be happy with a Grossman for Simmonds trade.

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