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12-10-2011, 05:48 PM
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Not really.

No chance Dallas would do Benn for JVR, or even JVR and more.
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Not really.

No chance Dallas would do Benn for JVR, or even JVR and more.
So, go ahead and tell me what Benn has on JVR.

Of course Dallas wouldn't go ahead and trade Benn for JVR, but their value is pretty much exactly the same, if not, again, tell me why.

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12-10-2011, 05:54 PM
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So, go ahead and tell me what Benn has on JVR.

Of course Dallas wouldn't go ahead and trade Benn for JVR, but their value is pretty much exactly the same, if not, again, tell me why.
Well, for one, Benn is by far the more complete player. Then, you just look at the respective seasons they've had:

Benn:

09-10: 82-22-19-41
10-11: 69-22-34-56
11-12: 27-6-17-23

van Riemsdyk:

09-10: 78-15-20-35
10-11: 75-21-19-40
11-12: 22-8-8-16

This isn't anything against JVR at all. In fact, I am a big JVR fan...but Benn is really something. His combination of size, skill, and intelligence is something to marvel at. JVR is going to be awesome, but Benn has legitimate "super star" potential. He's an amazing PKer, agitator, is unbelievably skilled, and his defensive skills are off the charts for a 23 year old.

Ask any Dallas fan if they'd trade Benn for anything short of that.

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Well, for one, Benn is by far the more complete player. Then, you just look at the respective seasons they've had:

Benn:

09-10: 82-22-19-41
10-11: 69-22-34-56
11-12: 27-6-17-23

van Riemsdyk:

09-10: 78-15-20-35
10-11: 75-21-19-40
11-12: 22-8-8-16

This isn't anything against JVR at all. In fact, I am a big JVR fan...but Benn is really something. His combination of size, skill, and intelligence is something to marvel at. JVR is going to be awesome, but Benn has legitimate "super star" potential. He's an amazing PKer, agitator, is unbelievably skilled, and his defensive skills are off the charts for a 23 year old.

Ask any Dallas fan if they'd trade Benn for anything short of that.
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And yes, that is right.

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There's a reason Benn plays as much as he does.

He's that good, and that relied upon by his coach. At age 22, that says it all.

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12-10-2011, 06:01 PM
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There's a reason Benn plays as much as he does.

He's that good, and that relied upon by his coach. At age 22, that says it all.
Might have somethig to do with the fact that their forward corps isn't exactly spectacular.

JVR on the other hand played all of his career on one of the deepest and best forward group in the NHL.

I think we can agree to disagree.

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12-10-2011, 06:26 PM
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Might have somethig to do with the fact that their forward corps isn't exactly spectacular.

JVR on the other hand played all of his career on one of the deepest and best forward group in the NHL.

I think we can agree to disagree.
I agree with this, I think Benn is probably a more complete two way player and JvR is a great player its just Phili has a better forward group so they don't have to rely on him as much as the Stars NEED Benn. Benn just means too much to the Stars for them to trade him for anyone unless they are getting a bonafide superstar.

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I don't know how I would feel about a Grossman trade. We have an abundance of Dmen currently and one will likely be moved, but Grossman is so reliable and underrated for what he does. Solid player you never really have to worry about at a good cap hit 1.6. That being said if there would be some way to get one of Schenn/JvR/Couturier in a deal I'd be okay with moving him.

no way/no way/no way

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Schenn/JVR/Couturier/Voracek will not be on the table. Don't even bother asking.

Simmonds straight up seems like a very fair trade for both teams.

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I think I'd be pleased with a Simmonds for Grossman swap. I always liked him as a King but how has he looked in the new digs?

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12-10-2011, 07:18 PM
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Meh, I'd rather keep Simmonds and Voracek, I like what they are bringing. It is tough, because the Flyers need D for sure, but you jave to worry about taking a piece away from a forward group that is producing so well right now.

What prospects do the Flyers have that could go with a pick for Grossman?

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12-10-2011, 07:38 PM
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Meh, I'd rather keep Simmonds and Voracek, I like what they are bringing. It is tough, because the Flyers need D for sure, but you jave to worry about taking a piece away from a forward group that is producing so well right now.

What prospects do the Flyers have that could go with a pick for Grossman?
Nick Cousins?

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12-10-2011, 08:11 PM
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What prospects do the Flyers have that could go with a pick for Grossman?
How about Gustafsson?

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12-10-2011, 08:50 PM
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Well, for one, Benn is by far the more complete player. Then, you just look at the respective seasons they've had:

Benn:

09-10: 82-22-19-41
10-11: 69-22-34-56
11-12: 27-6-17-23

van Riemsdyk:

09-10: 78-15-20-35
10-11: 75-21-19-40
11-12: 22-8-8-16

This isn't anything against JVR at all. In fact, I am a big JVR fan...but Benn is really something. His combination of size, skill, and intelligence is something to marvel at. JVR is going to be awesome, but Benn has legitimate "super star" potential. He's an amazing PKer, agitator, is unbelievably skilled, and his defensive skills are off the charts for a 23 year old.

Ask any Dallas fan if they'd trade Benn for anything short of that.
I am confused why you are talking about Benn vs JVR in this thread. Isn't it about
Grossman? We are all happy that you like Benn. Thanks!

Anyway, I hope we can trade for Grossman if Dallas will take a pick. Not 1st round pick. Thats would be an overpayment


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JVR = Benn

So no, we wouldn't have to include all of those to get Benn, not even two.
You keep thinking that.

Right now, besides the offensive flair JVR showed in the playoffs last year, he hasn't done much of anything. Benn is miles better than JVR right now.

But I won't say that it would take JVR, Schenn, AND Couturier to get Benn. That is also a ludicrous statement.

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You keep thinking that.

Right now, besides the offensive flair JVR showed in the playoffs last year, he hasn't done much of anything. Benn is miles better than JVR right now.

But I won't say that it would take JVR, Schenn, AND Couturier to get Benn. That is also a ludicrous statement.
Obviously the Flyers wouldn't do it, but there is less than zero incentive for Dallas to move Benn unless the pieces they receive just completely blow GMJN away.

And, yeah, this thread is about Grossman. Try and steer away from the Benn discussion (although I may have been the one to jumpstart it. My apologies).

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Wouldn't Dallas need a salary going back to stay above the floor?

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U have got to be a huge homer to think that JVR is anywhere close to Benn, Benn blows him out of water easily. further ahead Benn, Eriksson, and Lethonen are literally carrying Stars on their back and they are doing a solid job as well. JVR would struggle quite a lot if he was put on Benn's position in Dallas and would have trouble succeding as the face of the franchise unlike Benn.

The only scenario I see Benn going to Flyers is if Giroux is coming other way, which would be an obvious non-starter from Flyers end. And of course I meant Benn+ for Giroux.

btw, I think it would probably take a player like Carle or a 2nd round pick to get Grossman out of Dallas.

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Wouldn't Dallas need a salary going back to stay above the floor?
No. Dallas should be ok with just a pick. They are at 51.7M


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JVR = Benn

So no, we wouldn't have to include all of those to get Benn, not even two.
Not true at all have you seen Benn play this year?

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There is no incentive to move Grossman unless GMJN is getting a solid player back. Dallas could have 8 D-Man in the line up soon, so most likely Larsen might be heading back to the AHL, but Gully has stated otherwise. In a perfect world, Dallas should just waive Pardy or trade Robidas.

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Only on hfboards would people think JVR = Benn

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Grossman is solid no doubt about that. Nothing fancy but he is a young guy who can eat some minutes. But Right now we are getting by with AHL talent. ANd when we get Gustaffson back i believe we will have a normal look. I doubt very much holmgren is debating weather or not to trade a roster player now unless its shelly. We just have too many good young forwards that are on good deals to trade them away.


Simmonds is not going anywhere and to ask for a top 6 winger who is on a great deal for Grossman straight up is silly.

I can see grossman fetching a 2nd at most simply because of his contract status at the end of next year.

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