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12-09-2011, 02:07 PM
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sadly this probably does mean Weber gets moved... that's a decision that will come back to bite us in 2-3 years, when Weber is a strong top-4 player on a very decent contract for some other team, while we are once again stuck looking to overpay UFA's to fill holes.

and at that time, all we'll see from the usual suspects is complaints about "using hindsight" and "he just work out", as if giving up on a 23 year old dman who has done nothing but show clear signs of future potential, just so we could add another stop-gap aging, expensive vet to make up for poor offseason decisions.


but hey, maybe Kaberle steps in, reverts magically back to top-pairing form, and turns into a steal of a player @ 4.25M$, helping us transform into a contender almost over night... doesn't hurt to dream does it?


time will tell I guess.
I have as much confidence in Yanik Weber reaching top 4 status as I have in Matt D'Agostini being 1st line material.

You won't have to worry about your elaborate scenario.

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12-09-2011, 02:20 PM
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Markov - Emelin
Subban - Gorges
Kaberle - Campoli
Gill (PK specialist)

That is a decent looking D and Kaberle plays 3rd pairing minutes protecting him.

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12-09-2011, 02:49 PM
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Markov - Emelin
Subban - Gorges
Kaberle - Campoli
Gill (PK specialist)

That is a decent looking D and Kaberle plays 3rd pairing minutes protecting him.
Yeah and for gods sake just double shift Moen onto the 4th line they only play 3 minutes a night anyways. Am I right? No more D playing forward please.

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12-09-2011, 03:00 PM
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Later Weber. Not gonna miss ya.
Finally Weber's value is being realized. For two years, watching him with the Dogs, I've been saying he's one dimensional and not the answer. Watched him jump over Carle and St. Denis who both always played better than him in Hamilton. But management was going to make that draft pick work. Take what you can get and be rid of him, he will never be an effective NHLer. When his two year contract is up he will be in Switzerland.

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12-09-2011, 04:06 PM
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Yeah and for gods sake just double shift Moen onto the 4th line they only play 3 minutes a night anyways. Am I right? No more D playing forward please.
We can replace Gill and Campoli next year with any one of Weber, St. Denis, Diaz, Nash, Mitera, Tinordi or Beaulieu if they are ready. It isn't the end of the world people.

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12-09-2011, 04:30 PM
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Forwards:

Plekanec, Pacioretty, Cole, Desharnais, Cammalleri, Gionta, Kostitsyn, Moen, Eller, Gomez, Leblanc, Nokelainen, Darche, Engqvist, Blunden, Palushaj

Defence:

Markov, Kaberle, Subban, Weber, Gorges, Diaz, Emelin, Gill, St. Denis, Campoli
i'll just do who i think should go

forwards: gomez
defence: markov, gill

gomez for obvious reasons. overpaid underachiever.
markov simply because he is always hurt. if he wasn't made of glass i'd love to keep him for the rest of his career.
gill because hes slow, always makes poor plays, and isn't physical enough when it comes to protecting price.

lets give kaberle a chance before we cast him out.

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12-09-2011, 04:54 PM
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Honestly if Emelin is the odd man out now with kaberle and campoli comming in... i am going to flip ****, .... I WILL REFUSE TO WATCH THE ******* GAME

Without Markov depth chart should go in this order: Subban, Georges, Emelin, Campoli,Kaberle, Gill, Diaz .... the top 3 are untouchable, bottom for can be interchanged through lineup.

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12-09-2011, 06:01 PM
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Habs Healthy D lineup

Markov-Gorges
Subban-Kabby
Gill-Emelin
Campoli-Diaz

Not too shabby if I do say so myself. Whether or not we'll ever see a healthy lineup like this is another question, but it certainly looks good on paper. What are your thoughts or suggested lineups for a healthy d-core?

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12-09-2011, 06:02 PM
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Or you could have posted in the thread that already exists about 5 spaces down..

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12-09-2011, 06:06 PM
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Markov-Gorges
Kaberle-Subban
campoli-Emelin
Diaz-Gill
Weber

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12-09-2011, 06:22 PM
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What is our goal ? Barely making the playoffs, wasting picks and prospects doing so and getting eliminated in the first round. Or actually thinking about the future and trying to build a contender ?

Sadly, our GMs the last 5 years or so haven't been thinking long term at all.

Gill is a usefull asset for a team inspiring to win it all and we should try to get the most out of it.
In this case the "prospect" the Habs gave up was Spacek. If in 2009 Gainey had signed Kaberle instead of Spacek as a free agent no one would have complained. But in the one-plus season since then Kaberle's stature has shrunk. At 33 Kaberle is old but not ancient. Maybe he's got a few sparks left in his flint that he couldn't bring out on an uninspired Hurricane team. However, I'm not too hopeful.

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12-09-2011, 06:32 PM
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sadly this probably does mean Weber gets moved... that's a decision that will come back to bite us in 2-3 years, when Weber is a strong top-4 player on a very decent contract for some other team, while we are once again stuck looking to overpay UFA's to fill holes.

and at that time, all we'll see from the usual suspects is complaints about "using hindsight" and "he just work out", as if giving up on a 23 year old dman who has done nothing but show clear signs of future potential, just so we could add another stop-gap aging, expensive vet to make up for poor offseason decisions.


but hey, maybe Kaberle steps in, reverts magically back to top-pairing form, and turns into a steal of a player @ 4.25M$, helping us transform into a contender almost over night... doesn't hurt to dream does it?


time will tell I guess.
Oh my! I am tho woe-wied that Woe-ber wiw turn into a stahw that I'm chewing my finguhnaiws down to the cuticews.

Actually, I'm more worried that the Habs won't get even a third rounder for him.

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12-09-2011, 06:47 PM
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Cammalleri - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Kostitsyn - Eller - Leblanc
Moen - Nokalainen - Weber

Subban - Gorges
Diaz - Emelin
Gill - Kaberle

This is what there current line up should like like in my opinion

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12-09-2011, 07:18 PM
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Cammalleri - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Kostitsyn - Eller - Leblanc
Moen - Nokalainen - Weber

Subban - Gorges
Diaz - Emelin
Gill - Kaberle

This is what there current line up should like like in my opinion
put gill/kaberle as the second defensive pairing rather than third and thats a pretty awesome lineup.

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12-09-2011, 10:25 PM
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Cammy - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Kostitsyn - eller - Moen
Darche - Gomez - Leblanc
extra : Nokelainen

Engqvist, Blunden, Palushaj all back with the Bulldogs


Markov - Gorges
Subban - Gill
Kaberle - Campoli
Emelin

Weber will be moved for a prospect or a 3rd round pick , or sent down again in the AHL.
Diaz = AHL
Nokelainen over darche any day of the week. Same goes for Emelin over gill.

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12-09-2011, 10:46 PM
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Once everyone is healthy (LOL, if thats even possible):

Patches - Plekanec - Gionta
Cammy - Desharnais - Cole
Kostitsyn - Eller - Moen
White - Noke - Gomez
extra : Darche

Engqvist, Blunden, LL, and Palushaj to the minors


Markov - Emelin
Subban - Gorges
Kaberle - Gill
Weber

Campoli to waivers/trade (has anyone seriously watched him play, he's not better than anyone in this top 6), Diaz to Hamilton (would rather send Weber, but don't want to risk waivers)

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12-11-2011, 10:42 AM
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sadly this probably does mean Weber gets moved... that's a decision that will come back to bite us in 2-3 years, when Weber is a strong top-4 player on a very decent contract for some other team, while we are once again stuck looking to overpay UFA's to fill holes.

and at that time, all we'll see from the usual suspects is complaints about "using hindsight" and "he just work out", as if giving up on a 23 year old dman who has done nothing but show clear signs of future potential, just so we could add another stop-gap aging, expensive vet to make up for poor offseason decisions.
couldn't agree more. and he only has 70 games of NHL experience.

some people need to learn patience.

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12-11-2011, 11:20 AM
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To those saying Gill should be traded, I disagree. Gill is the player who gets the most ice time on PK on the 2nd best team in the league in PK. I agree Gill is average in 5 on 5, but I'd go as far as saying that he's arguably THE best penalty killer in the NHL. In 3 on 5 PK, he's an absolute monster. Our PK would suffer instantly if we had to lose Gill.

Also, he's a great veteran presence that is much needed along this young defensive squad.

Best teams in penalty killing
1- New Jersey 93,4% (7/106)
2- Montreal 89,3% (13/121)

Short handed time on ice per game
1- Matt Carkner 5:21
10- Hal Gill 4:02
20- Josh Gorges 3:43
31- Anton Volchenkov 3:22

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To those saying Gill should be traded, I disagree. Gill is the player who gets the most ice time on PK on the 2nd best team in the league in PK. I agree Gill is average in 5 on 5, but I'd go as far as saying that he's arguably THE best penalty killer in the NHL. In 3 on 5 PK, he's an absolute monster. Our PK would suffer instantly if we had to lose Gill.

Also, he's a great veteran presence that is much needed along this young defensive squad.

Best teams in penalty killing
1- New Jersey 93,4% (7/106)
2- Montreal 89,3% (13/121)

Short handed time on ice per game
1- Matt Carkner 5:21
10- Hal Gill 4:02
20- Josh Gorges 3:43
31- Anton Volchenkov 3:22
but a the same time, it's december and his 'slow-start' isn't getting any faster. his E5 play is getting worse. would a guy like gill accept being 7th dman?

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12-11-2011, 11:33 AM
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Gill is key imo, we've traded Spacek, okay but don't trade Gill, he gives us ridiculous PK, and his attitude in the locker room is by far the best we've had in a very long time. If he decides to retire in 2-3 years I'd offer him a staff position for Habs, hes a great person that you keep as long as you can.

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12-11-2011, 12:54 PM
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February ? Thanks for the info

And I don't expect our GM to replace him with an other scrappy player. Darche, Palushaj or Engqvist are a lot more useful than a Leblond for example
Yeah you'd think 4th line grinders were rare as unicorns. Can't understand why we wouldn't have picked one up already, but I suppose having no real 4th line is simply the genius of JM&PG which people like us can't grasp, because it is such an advanced breed of genius.

On D, as a previous poster said, as long as Emelin stays I'm pleased. This guy will be a key piece long after JM&PG have finally been put out to pasture.

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12-11-2011, 12:58 PM
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couldn't agree more. and he only has 70 games of NHL experience.

some people need to learn patience.
funny thing, those who are willing to get rid of Weber are probably the same whining we rush our youngsters and trade 'em away before they improved enough to either be kept or have decent value in a trade.

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Cammy - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Kostitsyn - eller - Moen
Darche - Gomez - Leblanc
extra : Nokelainen

Engqvist, Blunden, Palushaj all back with the Bulldogs


Markov - Gorges
Subban - Gill
Kaberle - Campoli
Emelin

Weber will be moved for a prospect or a 3rd round pick , or sent down again in the AHL.
Diaz = AHL
Jesus Christ, That's a bad second line, but not a 4th line!

Where do we go?

Next year My wish is to have:

Pacioretty-Plekanec-Gionta
Cammy-Desharnais-Cole
Kostitsyn-Eller-Leblanc
Moen resigned/ fighter**-Nokalainen-White

fighter**: Somebody like Bissonnette, Boll, Niel, Thornton Rosehill, Conboy or Schultz if ready.

For the D

Markov-Emelin
Kaberle-Subban
Big D (Erskine/Carkner/Allen)/Gorges-Gorges/Diaz
Diaz

With Beaulieu, Tinordi, Bennet, Ghallager, Kristo and Quailer all in Hamilton

Everybody else? Good-bye!

I think that's an excellent competitive team.

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12-11-2011, 02:22 PM
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Camallerri - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Kostitsyn - Eller - Moen
White - Nokelainen - Blunden

Markov - Emelin
Subban - Gorges
Kaberle - Gill

Weber

Although, the top line is way too soft and small - I would try to move Gionta or Cammallerri for a bigger, physical winger than can play top six. Leblanc goe to Hamilton with Diaz and the rest are fair game. Trade or waive.

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When everyone is all healthy who stays and who goes? What line up would you like to see?

Forwards:

Plekanec, Pacioretty, Cole, Desharnais, Cammalleri, Gionta, Kostitsyn, Moen, Eller, Gomez, Leblanc, Nokelainen, Darche, Engqvist, Blunden, Palushaj


Defence:

Markov, Kaberle, Subban, Weber, Gorges, Diaz, Emelin, Gill, St. Denis, Campoli


Montreal has nine NHL defencemen regulars. Who stays, who gets traded? What line up would you like to see? If Spacek can be traded can Gomez be traded?
Well speculation is Markov is not back till after the All-star game, so we are looking at February...if at all, not too confident we will see him.

When Markov is back, we will probably have the following:

Subban - Gorges
Markov - Emelin
Kaberle - Campoli

Gill and Diaz (Gill would be 7th Dman, Diaz a extra forward).

St. Denis is in the AHL.
Weber will be part of a deal I think.

Plekanec, Pacioretty, Cole
Desharnais, Cammalleri, Gionta
Kostitsyn, Moen, Eller
Gomez, Nokelainen, White

Darche extra forward along with Diaz.

Leblanc, Engqvist, Blunden, Palushaj - AHL

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