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2011 NL MVP Ryan Braun tested positive for PEDs (EDIT: wins appeal! No suspension)

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12-11-2011, 04:20 AM
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12-11-2011, 06:19 AM
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You don't actually buy that do you? I mean is it just a coincidence all the greatest home run hitters are from one era?
No more of a coincidence that all the guys with ridiculously high career averages are all from the same era.

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12-11-2011, 07:43 AM
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If Braun is suspended, Geoff Baker of Seattle Times believes there should be a re-vote of NL MVP. seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/marinersb…

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12-11-2011, 11:48 AM
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It's not going to get overturned. He used and got caught. With that being said, I honestly couldn't care less. PED's have been a part of sports for decades, it's time to get used it.

Oh, and Kemp >.
Agree with all of this, especially the Kemp>.

This is just another notch in MLB's "we're a joke" belt.

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12-11-2011, 11:56 AM
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I wouldn't even re-vote. Just remove Braun and move everybody up a spot.

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The voters couldn't do it right the first time, why give them another shot?

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If I'm honest, I highly doubt he used PEDs for enhancing his performance. IF he used PEDs, then I'd bet that he used it so it would help his injury problems.

I believe a big misconception of PED use that it's only used for enhanced performance. Instead I think it may be used more for staying healthy and more durable. Pro-athletes aren't always 100% as some believe, and realistically they are battling some sort ailment regularly. It could even be due to the grind of the extremely long season. Small stuff like that builds up and takes a toll on your body. If you are able to get rid of or even dampen any of that stuff, I'm sure any athlete's performance will be better.

We'll have to wait to find out, but I doubt it was performance enhancing the way people think it was.

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12-11-2011, 12:14 PM
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You don't actually buy that do you? I mean is it just a coincidence all the greatest home run hitters are from one era?
Pitchers were using too. It doesn't make any sense that steroids caused the offensive explosion when both sides were using them.

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You don't actually buy that do you? I mean is it just a coincidence all the greatest home run hitters are from one era?
PEDs probably played a part, but there are a lot of factors that have led to offense increasing (for example, smaller stadiums, increased emphasis on working the count and getting on base, and expansion diluting the pitching talent across the league.)

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This is just another notch in MLB's "we're a joke" belt.
Why? Braun got caught and is going to be punished--to me, this seems like an example of the league's system working.

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Kemp deserved the MVP to begin with. I won't have much of a problem is they strip it from Braun.

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Source: Braun tested positive for a prohibited substance, not a performance-enhancing drug. More coming on FOXSports.com. #Brewers #MLB

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True enough. The thing is Ortiz isn't really a star, never has been or ever will be. They only cared abut A-Rod or fellow stars. Ortiz hadf some clutch times but he's nothing special other then just another guy saved by the DH rule.
Ortiz is absolutely a star, or was at the time, and is/was among the most popular players in the sport. The positive test was from 2003, in a report in 2009. Not really sure what you're going on about the DH rule or whatever, that's irrelevant.

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This is the typical cycle. Athlete tests positive. Proclaims innocence. Tries to spin. And not once has a baseball player been exonerated.

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well what ever it was made him have synthetic testosterone.

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This could also hurt the Brewers chances of resigning Fielder if Braun is suspended for the first 50 games next season.

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Could of tested positive for a masking agent.

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Could of tested positive for a masking agent.
I saw this on the internet today, like what Manny got busted for.

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Ortiz is absolutely a star, or was at the time, and is/was among the most popular players in the sport. The positive test was from 2003, in a report in 2009. Not really sure what you're going on about the DH rule or whatever, that's irrelevant.
The Ortiz example is the clearest example of what a double standard the steroid debate is: when popular players (like Papi or Andy Pettitte) get caught everyone's OK with it. When hated players (like Clemens and A-Rod) get caught, they have destroyed the moral fabric of American society and Congress decides to get involved.

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According to the league and MLBPA, Ortiz never tested positive. His test was inconclusive.

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According to the league and MLBPA, Ortiz never tested positive. His test was inconclusive.
How else is one that incredibly huge?

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The Ortiz example is the clearest example of what a double standard the steroid debate is: when popular players (like Papi or Andy Pettitte) get caught everyone's OK with it. When hated players (like Clemens and A-Rod) get caught, they have destroyed the moral fabric of American society and Congress decides to get involved.
Pettite was never overly popular. He was alright but popular is a stretch, especially considering the other players on that team.

Clemens did it to himself, I don't recall them ever being involved with A-Rod but they were/are with Barry. IMO Clemens basically set himself up for when/if he screwed up that he'd get owned because eventhough he was an enormous talent like Bonds he came off as a **** of an individual. What kinda guy throws hardball fastballs at his wife to "practice"?

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This could also hurt the Brewers chances of resigning Fielder if Braun is suspended for the first 50 games next season.
They were never going to get Fielder back anyway.

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How else is one that incredibly huge?
you're right. all courts should have the same system.

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How else is one that incredibly huge?
When I look at Ortiz, I don't think, "This guy must like steroids." I think, "This guy must like food."

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When I look at Ortiz, I don't think, "This guy must like steroids." I think, "This guy must like food."
That head is rather gigantic though.

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