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12-11-2011, 09:42 PM
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I dont think so. Thats arguably a better return than Kovy got.

and I agree we need more than a rental. i dont think Poile makes thta trade unless he's already talked to ZP's agent (with NJs permission of course) and arranged an extension.

I think trading for and signing Parise would get Suter on board as well, and if Weber needs more proof than that to sign long term, then there is no pleasing him...
Just remember that Parise, like Weber, can't discuss a new contract for next year until after Jan. 1.

You likely knew, but just a reminder for everyone.

Parise would be an excellent add, but even as a cap team next year, he'll be a tough fit assuming Kostitsyn is brought back (certainly not a guarantee).

Wilson will definitely get a raise as well.

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12-11-2011, 09:47 PM
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Just remember that Parise, like Weber, can't discuss a new contract for next year until after Jan. 1.

You likely knew, but just a reminder for everyone.

Parise would be an excellent add, but even as a cap team next year, he'll be a tough fit assuming Kostitsyn is brought back (certainly not a guarantee).

Wilson will definitely get a raise as well.
Rinne's large contract starts to add up.

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12-11-2011, 11:16 PM
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Even if the cap doesn't raise at all going into next year and we give Weber and Suter $7mil I think we still have something like $7-$8mil to work with under the cap. That's after giving raises to Wilson, Blum, and SK (who may not even earn one). I ran the numbers a while back on cap geek. I'll have to dig it up tomorrow. For now, I'm exhausted so it's time for bed.

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12-12-2011, 12:44 AM
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I have an excel sheet that I'm keeping up with. Let's see if I can post it here:

Code:
Erat		 $5.500 	Legwand	 $4.000 	Hornqvist	 $3.250 
Kostitsyn	 $3.000 	Fisher		 $3.000 	Wilson	 $3.000 
Tootoo	 $1.350 	Spaling	 $1.100 	Geoffrion	 $1.000 
Halischuk	 $0.825 	Smithson	 $0.800 	Smith		 $0.690 
K Wilson	 $0.550 	McGratton	 $0.650 		
					
Weber	 $7.500 	Suter		 $6.500 		
Blum		 $1.100 	Klein		 $1.350 		
Josi		 $0.875 	Ellis		 $0.810 		
Ekholm	 $0.900 				
					
Rinne		 $7.000 	Lindback	 $1.250 		
					
Dumont*	 $1.333 	Lebda*	 $0.467 		
					
					
Total:	 $57.800 	Cap:	 $64.300 	Space:	$6.500
Please excuse my rough estimates for the FAs.

Amazing how fast the space goes. Hopefully the cap rises a bit and Trotz/Poile was serious when they said "close to a cap team." (btw, I wonder what "close" is to them )

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12-12-2011, 08:43 AM
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Just remember that Parise, like Weber, can't discuss a new contract for next year until after Jan. 1.

You likely knew, but just a reminder for everyone.

Parise would be an excellent add, but even as a cap team next year, he'll be a tough fit assuming Kostitsyn is brought back (certainly not a guarantee).

Wilson will definitely get a raise as well.
If we had Parise I would assume we let Kostitsyn walk unless he signs for reasonable dollars.

And Wilson is still RFA so he gets a raise but not a huge one.

I'll be shocked if we still have Lindback, so he's likely replaced by Smith on an ELC or a vet backup at 1 mil or less.

If Blum is up for a contract(I dont think he but maybe so) he isnt making a case for a raise

We can fit Suter, Weber, Rinne and Parise in for a total of 28-30 million. The cap midpoint is obviously gonna get blown but we can fit under the true cap with that

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12-12-2011, 08:50 AM
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If we had Parise I would assume we let Kostitsyn walk unless he signs for reasonable dollars.

And Wilson is still RFA so he gets a raise but not a huge one.

I'll be shocked if we still have Lindback, so he's likely replaced by Smith on an ELC or a vet backup at 1 mil or less.

If Blum is up for a contract(I dont think he but maybe so) he isnt making a case for a raise

We can fit Suter, Weber, Rinne and Parise in for a total of 28-30 million. The cap midpoint is obviously gonna get blown but we can fit under the true cap with that
Blum is up for a new contract, but agreed--he's having a questionable "contract year."

Wilson's contract may surprise you. RFA means little...these days, they're cashing in off the ELC. I wouldn't be surprised to see him get 3-3.5 million, honestly.

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12-12-2011, 09:48 AM
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If we had Parise I would assume we let Kostitsyn walk unless he signs for reasonable dollars.

And Wilson is still RFA so he gets a raise but not a huge one.

I'll be shocked if we still have Lindback, so he's likely replaced by Smith on an ELC or a vet backup at 1 mil or less.

If Blum is up for a contract(I dont think he but maybe so) he isnt making a case for a raise

We can fit Suter, Weber, Rinne and Parise in for a total of 28-30 million. The cap midpoint is obviously gonna get blown but we can fit under the true cap with that
parise or not, I think the org chooses between sk and hornuist this offseason anyway.

wilson will make less than 3 million if he has less than 50 points. look at sk.

why not keep lindback for a million a year?

blum will probably make 1.5-2 million a year until his ufa contract

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12-12-2011, 09:53 AM
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IMO, there is nobody (at this moment) that deserves any sort of a raise from last season, except Wilson. Agree with Token that SK may just be let go.

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12-12-2011, 10:05 AM
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IMO, there is nobody (at this moment) that deserves any sort of a raise from last season, except Wilson. Agree with Token that SK may just be let go.
deserving or not, youngsters who make it past their elc get raises

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12-12-2011, 11:53 AM
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If the team were to trade for Parise you would think SK would be part of the package to solve the problem.

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12-12-2011, 01:18 PM
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A fan of another team offering 4 young guys and a pick for Shea?

That has never happened on here.

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12-12-2011, 01:58 PM
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Would you guys have any interest in a deal around Mason Raymond and Jon Blum? Raymond has 3 pts in 4 games since returning and is a +3. Excellent two way forward with 30 goal upside. We have a surplus of forwards and need a RH dman who could step into the top 4 in short spurts. A move like this could help your scoring woes, any interest?

If not now, how about if Raymond contnued on at a 50 point pace until closer to the deadline?

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12-12-2011, 02:03 PM
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Would you guys have any interest in a deal around Mason Raymond and Jon Blum? Raymond has 3 pts in 4 games since returning and is a +3. Excellent two way forward with 30 goal upside. We have a surplus of forwards and need a RH dman who could step into the top 4 in short spurts. A move like this could help your scoring woes, any interest?

If not now, how about if Raymond contnued on at a 50 point pace until closer to the deadline?
With the Weber/Suter deals still in the air, I'd rather not trade off our best potential replacement without big time overpayment.

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12-12-2011, 03:58 PM
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With the Weber/Suter deals still in the air, I'd rather not trade off our best potential replacement without big time overpayment.
I kind of figured this would be the main sticking point. On the other hand, and correct me if I'm wrong, why would Weber and Suter stay if Nashville doesn't address their scoring needs? Suter could potentially walk at the end of the season, some sort of trade needs to be made to acquire a top 6 forward. Since I don't think Nashville is going to be looking to pull off a blockbuster, a couple of deals like this to bring in young top 6 forwards may be the answer.

Any other opinions?

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12-12-2011, 06:19 PM
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I kind of figured this would be the main sticking point. On the other hand, and correct me if I'm wrong, why would Weber and Suter stay if Nashville doesn't address their scoring needs? Suter could potentially walk at the end of the season, some sort of trade needs to be made to acquire a top 6 forward. Since I don't think Nashville is going to be looking to pull off a blockbuster, a couple of deals like this to bring in young top 6 forwards may be the answer.

Any other opinions?
Are you really suggesting that Mason Raymond is the answer to our scoring needs?

Our problem is having too many of that type of player, too many 40-50 point guys that are better as complimentary pieces than as guys you can build an offense around. This just doesn't really help us, sorry.

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12-12-2011, 06:26 PM
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Agreed. Mason Raymond is a fine, young player, but he isn't exactly the forward Nashville needs to seriously address any "scoring woes". At this point Nashville has more defensive woes than scoring woes. Adding a guy who has topped out at 53 points and only had 39 points playing 70 games last season (much of that with Kesler if I'm not mistaken) doesn't do much. At the expensive of Blum? I don't think I do it.

Nashville needs a dynamic scorer if they are going to add a forward. Right now the team would do better to shore up the blueline anyway.

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12-12-2011, 06:38 PM
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Our scoring woes? We're tied for 15th in goals per game ... .01 g/g behind the Sharks and ahead of teams with prolific individual scorers like Columbus, LA, Anaheim, Tampa, and Dallas. Our PP is tied for 3rd.

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12-13-2011, 08:44 AM
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Why not something along the lines of these three trades:

To Nashville:
Francois Beauchemin

To Anaheim:
Sergei Kostitsyn
1st or 2nd round pick

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To Nashville:
Zach Parise+

To New Jersey:
Shea Weber

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To Minnesota or Colorado
Mid round pick

To Nashville:
Greg Zanon or Shane O'Brien

Our lineup would be:
Parise - Fisher - Erat
Wilson - Legwand - Hornqvist
Tootoo - Spaling - Smith
Halishcuk - Smithson - McGrattan

Suter - Klein
Beauchemin - Josi
Zanon/O'Brien - Blum

Rinne
Lindback

Plus we would have the option of trading Ellis and Lindback after these moves too, maybe for a player like Umberger.


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12-13-2011, 09:31 AM
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To Minnesota:
Mid round pick

To Nashville:
Greg Zanon
If we're losing Weber I'd rather target SOB so we don't lose too much toughness in our defense.

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12-13-2011, 09:41 AM
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If we're losing Weber I'd rather target SOB so we don't lose too much toughness in our defense.
Won't happen. He and Trotz weren't big fans of each other. That's a fact.

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12-13-2011, 12:49 PM
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If, and it's a big IF, Suter doesn't resign before the deadline and you guys are out of a playoff spot, would something like this be of interest...

Volchenkov
Tedenby
Merrill
Washington's 2nd round pick

for

Suter

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12-13-2011, 03:05 PM
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If, and it's a big IF, Suter doesn't resign before the deadline and you guys are out of a playoff spot, would something like this be of interest...

Volchenkov
Tedenby
Merrill
Washington's 2nd round pick

for

Suter
that isn't what he is worth, but it is the kind of offer I think Poile gets.

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12-14-2011, 10:58 AM
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Had the most vivid dream in months last night with Suter leaving to NJ in a five team trade haha. Some pieces and teams I remember involved were:

STL - Oshie
WSH - Semin
ANA - Ryan
NJ - Parise
NSH - Suter

Obviously a preposterous scenario and for some reason Parise ended up on the Blues. Woke up sweating...getting to the point that I dont care if we overpay for Suter and Weber, love these guys. Suter has been my favorite NHL player since 08. Perfect positional defense is one of my favorite things to watch in the NHL; combine that with ironman games played and TOI stats and Ill always like Suter slightly more than Weber.

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12-14-2011, 11:06 AM
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If, and it's a big IF, Suter doesn't resign before the deadline and you guys are out of a playoff spot, would something like this be of interest...

Volchenkov
Tedenby
Merrill
Washington's 2nd round pick

for

Suter
At the deadline, I take this and run.

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12-14-2011, 01:49 PM
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If, and it's a big IF, Suter doesn't resign before the deadline and you guys are out of a playoff spot, would something like this be of interest...

Volchenkov
Tedenby
Merrill
Washington's 2nd round pick

for

Suter
If we're still in the playoff race at the deadline and Suter hasn't signed, we take him to term. He's too good to give him up before the end of the season.

As for the package, I don't really like it. Volchenkov is little more than a PK specialist at this point. Tedenby has done nothing offensively and can't play defense. Merrill is nice, but he's not enough to make that package all that enticing. If we were going to trade Suter, we would need real quality talent that could step in and make an immediate impact. (Which is probably the whole reason we won't trade him.)

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