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12-11-2011, 09:06 PM
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Is Price worth 7 million?

A debate sprang up on one of the threads that spurred the discussion of how much Carey Price is worth. I personally think that he's worth 7 million+ easily. Most who posted disagreed with me however so I figured I'd create a thread here as I think it's a worthy discussion all on it's own.


My argument is that Price is coming up on his prime years and if you compare him to other top goalies he compares pretty favourably (even to the very best) when you consider where he's at in his development stage. I'm really curious as to what people think about this. Here are the numbers:


Price
age games wins Sv pctg
20 42 24 .920
21 52 23 .905
22 41 13 .912
23 72 38 .923
24 26 11 .920 (in progress) projects roughly to 71 games, 30 wins and .920

His first season was great. The only real bad stretch of Price's career was when he came back too early from injury in his 2nd season. Up until then he had a save percentage of something like .920. Even in that third season where his team couldn't score in front of him he still put up respectable numbers. Last year he was incredible and a workhorse and he's been great again this year.

Brodeur games wins save pctg.
age 19 4 2 .882
age 20 ----
age 21 47 27 .915
age 22 40 19 .902 WINS STANLEY CUP
age 23 77 34 .911
age 24 67 37 .927

Brodeur is pretty much the best goalie in the league who is still active. Brodeur has the cup at a young age but Price has better regular season numbers. Yes, it's a cup but keep in mind that we're comparing Price to one of the best goalies of all time and Brodeur had multiple HOF players helping him to win championships. Price's stats (not including the cup) are better but it's a different era so it's tough to capture a true comparison. Still, we can see that Price actually acumulates more wins quicker on worse teams.

Luongo games wins save pctg.
age 20 24 7 .904
age 21 47 12 .920
age 22 58 16 .915
age 23 65 20 .918
age 24 72 25 .931

Price has more experience and better numbers than Luongo at the same age. There is one huge difference here however, while Price is on mediocre teams Luongo is on terrible ones. Still, Luongo is considered one of the best in the game so it's cool to see how Price stacks up.

Lundqvist games wins save pctg.
age 20 ---------------------
age 21 ---------------------
age 22 ---------------------
age 23 53 30 .922
age 24 70 37 .917

Lundqvist is considered to be about as consistent a goalie as there is in the game today. He doesn't come close to stacking up to Price though when you put them side by side at the same age.

Miller games wins save pctg.
age 20 ---------------------
age 21 ---------------------
age 22 15 6 .902
age 23 3 0 .795
age 24 48 30 .914

This one isn't even close. And Tim Thomas doesn't even make an NHL game until he's 28 and then doesn't have a season worth mentioning until he's 32 so I didn't bother listing him here. Ditto with Kipper who has a great season (playing in only 38 games) at the age of 27 and then follows up with two great years at 29 and 30 before becoming inconsistent.


Given that three years ago Lundqvist signed a contract paying him an annual salary of 6.5 million and Pekka Rinne's recent signing at 7 mil per, I don't see how Price doesn't warrant this cash. Esp when you factor in that we play in a very difficult market and rely on him as heavily as we do.

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12-11-2011, 09:09 PM
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A debate sprang up on one of the threads that spurred the discussion of how much Carey Price is worth. I personally think that he's worth 7 million+ easily. Most who posted disagreed with me however so I figured I'd create a thread here as I think it's a worthy discussion all on it's own.


My argument is that Price is coming up on his prime years and if you compare him to other top goalies he compares pretty favourably (even to the very best) when you consider where he's at in his development stage. I'm really curious as to what people think about this. Here are the numbers:


Price
age games wins Sv pctg
20 42 24 .920
21 52 23 .905
22 41 13 .912
23 72 38 .923
24 26 11 .920 (in progress) projects roughly to 71 games, 30 wins and .920

His first season was great. The only real bad stretch of Price's career was when he came back too early from injury in his 2nd season. Up until then he had a save percentage of something like .920. Even in that third season where his team couldn't score in front of him he still put up respectable numbers. Last year he was incredible and a workhorse and he's been great again this year.

Brodeur games wins save pctg.
age 19 4 2 .882
age 20 ----
age 21 47 27 .915
age 22 40 19 .902 WINS STANLEY CUP
age 23 77 34 .911
age 24 67 37 .927

Brodeur is pretty much the best goalie in the league who is still active. Brodeur has the cup at a young age but Price has better regular season numbers. Yes, it's a cup but keep in mind that we're comparing Price to one of the best goalies of all time and Brodeur had multiple HOF players helping him to win championships. Price's stats (not including the cup) are better but it's a different era so it's tough to capture a true comparison. Still, we can see that Price actually acumulates more wins quicker on worse teams.

Luongo games wins save pctg.
age 20 24 7 .904
age 21 47 12 .920
age 22 58 16 .915
age 23 65 20 .918
age 24 72 25 .931

Price has more experience and better numbers than Luongo at the same age. There is one huge difference here however, while Price is on mediocre teams Luongo is on terrible ones. Still, Luongo is considered one of the best in the game so it's cool to see how Price stacks up.

Lundqvist games wins save pctg.
age 20 ---------------------
age 21 ---------------------
age 22 ---------------------
age 23 53 30 .922
age 24 70 37 .917

Lundqvist is considered to be about as consistent a goalie as there is in the game today. He doesn't come close to stacking up to Price though when you put them side by side at the same age.

Miller games wins save pctg.
age 20 ---------------------
age 21 ---------------------
age 22 15 6 .902
age 23 3 0 .795
age 24 48 30 .914

This one isn't even close. And Tim Thomas doesn't even make an NHL game until he's 28 and then doesn't have a season worth mentioning until he's 32 so I didn't bother listing him here. Ditto with Kipper who has a great season (playing in only 38 games) at the age of 27 and then follows up with two great years at 29 and 30 before becoming inconsistent.


Given that three years ago Lundqvist signed a contract paying him an annual salary of 6.5 million and Pekka Rinne's recent signing at 7 mil per, I don't see how Price doesn't warrant this cash. Esp when you factor in that we play in a very difficult market and rely on him as heavily as we do.
EVERYTHING considered, no goalie RIGHT NOW is worth 7 million.

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12-11-2011, 09:18 PM
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Only if he can convince gomez to retire.

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Only if he can convince gomez to retire.
Or Molson to demote him.

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12-11-2011, 09:32 PM
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7milion easily?

I'd say AT THE VERY MOST 7milions... but I could live with it if it's no more than a 5 years deal. But at that price I hope we would look at the potential return we could get for him first.

We're gonna have to trade or bury Gomez for that though..

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12-11-2011, 09:35 PM
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not at all. he is still young, still prone to inconsistency, and the best part. he's a RFA.

habs are not in the habit of locking people up for long term, low cap hit so i don't know why they would start now. my guess is gauthier gives him a 2 year contract then goes for the 5-6 year contract after. same goes for subban.

money wise, 5.5 i think is he gets. especially if he keeps playing like this. damn!

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12-11-2011, 09:36 PM
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5 year 5 mill around there

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12-11-2011, 09:37 PM
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Not yet! Maybe 5m to 6m for a 3 year deal. Then, if he proves he could perform well in the playoff, he will get the jackpot!

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12-11-2011, 09:46 PM
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I'd be satisfied with a 6-7 year deal at 6-6.5 million.

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12-11-2011, 09:51 PM
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I'll just quote the post I responded in the other thread before you created the topic.


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Shocked if it's less than 7M??..Not sure how close you've been tracking goalies Lafleurs.

There is only one goalie in the NHL making more than 7M in salary this season, Bryzgalov. He got signed to a ridiculous contract in Philly as they've been desperate for a goalie forever. It's important to note that his cap hit is 5.66M.

In terms of cap hit, Lundqvist has the highest one, at 6.875M. After him, Ward, at 6.3M. Miller is the only other goalie that has a cap hit above 6M.

The best goalie in the NHL Pikka Rinne, imo, was signed to an extension, and will become the sole goalie to have a 7M cap hit next year.

So, what you really should have said is that you'd be shocked if Price gets 7M, both in either cap hit or salary.

I expect him to get somewhere around 5-5.5M. No way he matches Rinne's number. That would be an overpayment.

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double post **** yeah


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Everyone on the Habs team should get a $7 million dollar per year contract.

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12-11-2011, 09:57 PM
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Had you phrased the question a bit differently GL, I'd perhaps have voted yes... it's pretty clear that from a "going rate" pov, Price's value is in the 7M$ range...

but I don't think he's "worth" that much, nor do I think the habs will pay him that much (and they don't need to given his RFA status).


problem I see is that there really is no reason/motivation for Price to accept a contract taking him past his last year of RFA status unless the team pays him like a UFA now... and if they choose not to, it will only contribute to him feeling less "loyalty" down the road when he gets to UFAgency.



Habs should sign him to a long term deal, make the commitment, bite the bullet, and pay the man as the teams most valuable player...

worst case, he regresses and/or gets "content" and doesn't push himself any longer (doubt that will happen with him, but you never know...)

best case, you make him the "lidstrom" standard for the team, no other player going to be paid more, and use that in negotiating with other players.

a 6-8 year deal in the 6.5M$ range... should satisfy both sides.

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12-11-2011, 09:58 PM
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Prices next contract should be between $4 and $5 million a season for 3 years.....then if he keeps being an incredible goalie after that contract, then you fork out $6 million or more for him.

In my opinion.....nobody is worth $7 million dollars...especially kids who are looking for their 2nd ever pro contract.

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12-11-2011, 10:01 PM
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At-The-Same-Age is not a stat.
If you think like an arbitrator the best comparison in the game is Marc-Andre Fleury.

Price is 109-115 in his career.
MAF was 111-109 with 2 ties at roughly the same period.

Take MAF's deal, add a little for CAP inflation, adjust for taxation and I still don't think you get to $7M.

An arbitrator would entertain the most direct comparisons, they are not going to pull up performances of more than a decade ago .

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No goalie is worth $7M especially if they've never carried a team to the Stanley Cup. I'd say he's worth $5.5M.

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I think he is worth it to the Habs...but I don't think he will get that type of $$$ as a RFA. Either 2 years at 11 mil or 5 or 6 years at around 6.25-6.5/year. Depending on how long his camp want to go.

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They will sign him for three years, worth just over 4 or something.

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There are too many excellent goalies in the NHL right now for him to be worth $7m. I was one of the few who was backing Price when he went in that slump, but he is only a minor upgrade over a 3-4 million goalie.

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Guess I was write, eh?

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Never been a fan of locking goalies long term but with Price I'd be good with 5-6 years contract @ 5ish per.

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He's worth 7, but it would tempt fate... Im hoping he would be willing to sign for LONG TERM, and guaranteed. somewhere around 6 mill per year for 6-8 years.

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He's worth 7, but it would tempt fate... Im hoping he would be willing to sign for LONG TERM, and guaranteed. somewhere around 6 mill per year for 6-8 years.
He quite deserves 7 millions but I expect a long term deal at 6 or 6.5 per year..

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It's no secret I'm a Price fan...and like many, I'd love for him to have a long successful career here in Montreal.

But like others may have mentioned, the goalie position is already very competitive and I suspect the trend to continue.

The future will be even more competitive. With all that parity for what is essentially a job only 30 men can own (and, even then, there are back-ups that are worthy to be number 1's), I just think it's smarter to spend top dollar on players.

With that said, I wouldn't cry if we gave Price 7... especially when we see how other 7 million dollar players perform.

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Price is by far our best player. He is an extraordinary positional goaltender who keeps things simple, but is also capable of amazing saves. Not only is he a great athlete, he is a smart young man with a good head on his shoulders. He's calm and confident. He has every qualities you would want for a hockey player.

He will get his long term contract, and he will get a nice load of money, and I won't mind at all.

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