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12-12-2011, 09:03 PM
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Really? Was it good or bad?


It was all positive. Pierre McGuire twice mentioned how good Scandella is playing and how high is average TOI is per game.

THey also mentioned the great job that Yeo/Fletch are doing, and how the players are really on board and "buying in".

It was really pretty encouraging.

Versus also ran 3 commercials for Wednesday's WILD-HAWKS game ... pimping Clutterbuck each time.

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12-12-2011, 09:40 PM
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Wow....seriously the entire NHL OT on VS has basically been about the Wild

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12-12-2011, 11:14 PM
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Wow....seriously the entire NHL OT on VS has basically been about the Wild
Really? Now I wish I had watched it instead of watching Two Broke Girls with the GF.

Then again I wasnt really watching it, I was sort of half listening to it while I made Santa's Got a Brand New Avatar.

What did they have to say?

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12-12-2011, 11:18 PM
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12-12-2011, 11:21 PM
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Well thats good news.

I spose he'll start wearing the neck guard for a while?

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12-12-2011, 11:23 PM
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I made a little transcript in the wild respect thread. It was good.
Where is that thread?

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12-12-2011, 11:28 PM
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Where is that thread?
I'm not sure if you were joking or not but here's his post.

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12-12-2011, 11:34 PM
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I'm not sure if you were joking or not but here's his post.
Oh he meant the Disrespect thread. Threw me off.

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12-13-2011, 09:32 AM
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McGuire was OVERWHELMINGLY creepy re: Parise.

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12-13-2011, 09:44 AM
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McGuire was OVERWHELMINGLY creepy re: Parise.
Hes just all kinds of creepy. That's part of why I hate him.

Of all the talking heads that could have gotten a mancrush on Minnesota, why him?

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12-13-2011, 09:48 AM
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Because they almost gave him a job?

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12-13-2011, 09:52 AM
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I kind of noticed that during the Lightning@Wild game on VS. McGuire seemed to be the only guy with a mic that had any clue as to why the Wild are having success. It sort of gave me a little more respect for the guy, but yeah.... McGuire. :S

My Mexican friend is even more excited than me for tomorrow's game on VS; never thought he'd take such a strong liking to the sport. He wants to go down to LA when the Wild are playing the Kings, but I keep suggesting a road trip up to San Jose so we can see Burns and Havlat.

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12-13-2011, 10:02 AM
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I kind of noticed that during the Lightning@Wild game on VS. McGuire seemed to be the only guy with a mic that had any clue as to why the Wild are having success. It sort of gave me a little more respect for the guy, but yeah.... McGuire. :S

My Mexican friend is even more excited than me for tomorrow's game on VS; never thought he'd take such a strong liking to the sport. He wants to go down to LA when the Wild are playing the Kings, but I keep suggesting a road trip up to San Jose so we can see Burns and Havlat.
Well were done with playing in LA, San Jose, and Anaheim this year, so that means you're road tripping it out to Phoenix, where we have one game left sometime I think.

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12-13-2011, 10:13 AM
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Another terrible stats article

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Seriously Bourne, your writers are idiots.

There is an r-squared correlation of 0.88% between offensive zone starts and win percentage. I took your table, I took win percentage, and there is literally no correlation. None. 0.88% is about as close to zero as it gets.

I’m done reading this blog if you keep putting out trash like this and call it journalism. Get some stats guys that know what they’re doing rather than coming up with random theories and throwing it against the wall without even checking to see if their statistics are worth using.
And I'm done with these jokers.

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12-13-2011, 10:16 AM
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I kind of noticed that during the Lightning@Wild game on VS. McGuire seemed to be the only guy with a mic that had any clue as to why the Wild are having success. It sort of gave me a little more respect for the guy, but yeah.... McGuire. :S

My Mexican friend is even more excited than me for tomorrow's game on VS; never thought he'd take such a strong liking to the sport. He wants to go down to LA when the Wild are playing the Kings, but I keep suggesting a road trip up to San Jose so we can see Burns and Havlat.
Pierre McGuire is a very smart guy who knows his hockey. However, he doesn't know how to explain it or come off in a way that's not creepy.

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12-13-2011, 10:25 AM
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This is a very bad article. Haters gonna hate.

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12-13-2011, 10:31 AM
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Another terrible stats article

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And I'm done with these jokers.
I like how he makes these claims, then says well I should try to correlate it to Corsi and Fenwick, but I'm not going to. Sure it's interesting to look at, but like you said it's not a correlation with winning percentage which in fact is the only thing that matters. Besides, he's got decimals in there and said there can be errors in calculating this, so how do we know that the numbers are accurate? It's possible that the numbers simply aren't correct. I get the point he's trying to make, but he doesn't have nearly enough evidence backing up what he's saying.

Also, where does he get this Ozone% crap from? How is he calculating that? My god, these stat articles are really getting ridiculous.

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12-13-2011, 10:31 AM
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Stepped in it and stirred up the hornets nest. But seriously, at some point in time this ridiculousness has to stop.

0.88% correlation. 0.0088. Honestly.

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12-13-2011, 10:34 AM
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Another terrible stats article

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And I'm done with these jokers.
It's just plain sad when the haters don't even try to show that they are pretty much just engineering stats in an attempt to make us look bad. Just look at the title of that article. "Another way to show that the Wild Suck" or something to that effect.

I skimmed, and its all hocus pocus.

I took a stats class once, and the single biggest point the teacher kept hammering home is that any kind of statistic can be made to support any kind of argument if its presented the right way.

These guys are desperate.

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12-13-2011, 10:39 AM
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I can come up with some alternatives...when you save and freeze a puck, you have a defensive zone start. If you let in the puck, you have a neutral zone start. So there COULD be a correlation between save percentage and defensive zone starts.

But a statistician doesn't just go off and write an article, they check for basic correlation. And if they want to be taken seriously, they will go through the actual proof in terms of writing the hypothesis, the alternative hypothesis, then disprove the alternative hypothesis. I had to do this hundreds of times in college with all my economics and stats classes.

These writers don't do any of that work. They come up with a theory, write about it, throw some numbers on the wall in the hopes that they stick, and then cash their checks.

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12-13-2011, 10:44 AM
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My answer to the stat crowd is the year 2003. The Wild were worse than both Vancouver and Colorado on paper by a large margin, yet the Wild won those series.

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It's better when you can make statisticians look like fools with their own statistics.

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I get using stats to support an argument to a certain extent... but people who use advanced stats? Zzzzzzz. You can manufacture and manipulate numbers to support anything.

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I can come up with some alternatives...when you save and freeze a puck, you have a defensive zone start. If you let in the puck, you have a neutral zone start. So there COULD be a correlation between save percentage and defensive zone starts.

But a statistician doesn't just go off and write an article, they check for basic correlation. And if they want to be taken seriously, they will go through the actual proof in terms of writing the hypothesis, the alternative hypothesis, then disprove the alternative hypothesis. I had to do this hundreds of times in college with all my economics and stats classes.

These writers don't do any of that work. They come up with a theory, write about it, throw some numbers on the wall in the hopes that they stick, and then cash their checks.
Agreed. I think I'm going to write about this in a bit but for all the stats based articles slamming Minnesota, it would be nice to see someone try to come up with a way to beat the Wild.

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It's better when you can make statisticians look like fools with their own statistics.
I was thinking of making a map with all the statistics on all the teams over the entire history of the Wild, (geography major at work). However, my engagement has left me with little time to do anything but work and call places about wedding stuff.

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