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12-13-2011, 09:44 PM
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Everyone of us *****ing and complaining prone Rangers' fans just need to go out and get hammered and laid instead of sticking around the computer pissed moaning until the next W. The only thing I want to cry about is how we let Hank down again tonight.

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12-13-2011, 09:47 PM
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Made this point in the other thread, but it bears repeating. Every team looks exactly like that on nights where the offense doesn't click.

Hell, Dallas looked like that tonight too.
I've just seen it way too many times the past couple of years. It's worn out it's welcome. I hate looking at a goaltending matchup and being able to predict the outcome accurately enough that I probably didn't even need to watch the game. I sat down tonight and before the game I knew they were going to lose.

And i'm only worried about 1 team - The Rangers. How other teams play or what they do is of little concern to me. That was a winnable game tonight. But the Same Olde Tyme Rangers(TM) reared their ugly head. They need to exercise these ghosts fast.

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12-13-2011, 09:52 PM
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Made this point in the other thread, but it bears repeating. Every team looks exactly like that on nights where the offense doesn't click.

Hell, Dallas looked like that tonight too.

That's really not true though. I mean, in a general sense, sure it looks like the offense is just not 'clicking', but I've seen teams unable to put goals on the board yet look significantly different on offense than how this team looked. Your statement essentially assumes that all offensive problems stem from the same causes and therefore look the same on the surface.

It's 1 game and not at all a cause for serious concern, but there were problems that need adjustments, it wasn't just an offense not clicking or getting completely stonewalled.

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12-13-2011, 09:55 PM
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It's only one game yes, but If you want to be considered an elite team in this league you don't come out with an effort like they did tonight.. No excuses..They just had a similar effort against the Leafs. It should have been out of their system for a while. I personally still question the heart of this team. If you want the rest of the league to look at you as elite, you need to play like it.. Bottem line is... if your going to S... like a dog you can't Pi.. like a puppy!

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They need to fix the damn power play. Everything else about the team is great. When will this problem be solved?

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12-13-2011, 09:57 PM
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Your statement essentially assumes that all offensive problems stem from the same causes and therefore look the same on the surface.
I shouldn't have done that, but let's not do this in two threads. I responded in the other one. But this is why I post things like that:

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It's only one game yes, but If you want to be considered an elite team in this league you don't come out with an effort like they did tonight.. No excuses..They just had a similar effort against the Leafs. It should have been out of their system for a while. I personally still question the heart of this team. If you want the rest of the league to look at you as elite, you need to play like it.. Bottem line is... if your going to S... like a dog you can't Pi.. like a puppy!
Effort was really not the problem tonight... and it almost never is. But people continually insist on posting stuff like this, and I continually feel the need to respond to it.

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12-13-2011, 09:59 PM
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knew this was coming when i heard they were putting up a no-name in net. Happens every time.

I'd rather play Brodeur every game.

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12-13-2011, 10:00 PM
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It's reasons like this why I am not getting ahead of myself with the Rangers this season. That was same old Rangers tonight.
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No. TONIGHT was same old Rangers. just knowing that they still have the capacity to be that team suggests to me reason to be worried. 17-7-4 means nothing to me in december. If they are playing good like this in feb/march/april consider me sold. until then i've seen this same story played out way too many times in the last couple of years.
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Old habits die hard it seems though. There's a difference between having a bad game, and having a bad game the same exact way you've been doing it over and over again for years. Frustrating and concerning. It's frustrating that when I heard Bachman was going to be in net tonight I knew he was getting a shutout.
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I've just seen it way too many times the past couple of years. It's worn out it's welcome. I hate looking at a goaltending matchup and being able to predict the outcome accurately enough that I probably didn't even need to watch the game. I sat down tonight and before the game I knew they were going to lose.

And i'm only worried about 1 team - The Rangers. How other teams play or what they do is of little concern to me. That was a winnable game tonight. But the Same Olde Tyme Rangers(TM) reared their ugly head. They need to exercise these ghosts fast.

you're entitled to your opinion obviously and your right to be miserable, but after the way they've been playing you're carrying on over a 1g loss in a 1 goal game off turnover by a waiver wire pickup who will be riding the pine in the not too distant future?

This was a tight game against a defensive team. sometimes you just can't get the offense going, besides they hit quite a few posts. It happens to the best of teams.

I understand constructive criticism, but this is just unrealistic moaning imo.

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12-13-2011, 10:07 PM
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you're entitled to your opinion obviously and your right to be miserable, but after the way they've been playing you're carrying on over a 1g loss in a 1 goal game off turnover by a waiver wire pickup who will be riding the pine in the not too distant future?

This was a tight game against a defensive team. sometimes you just can't get the offense going, besides they hit quite a few posts. It happens to the best of teams.

I understand constructive criticism, but this is just unrealistic moaning imo.
Again, playing well NOW means nothing to me. I've seen it way too many times in recent history. You haven't? Thats a major problem on this board. People love to focus on the present and the past but nobody really takes into account the future. Before you go with the predictable, no I can't predict the future, but I can be worried about it for sure. I know this teams history - it's not flattering, and their mid to late season collapses to playoff scramble have been legendary these past few years.

They hit a few posts - they start giving out points for that? I didn't even say they didn't play well. They didn't get blown out or anything. But me being able to predict the outcome of the game before it was even played was incredibly frustrating. People think that having a decent record in december absolves the Rangers of any criticisms - it doesn't.

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12-13-2011, 10:16 PM
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They need to fix the damn power play. Everything else about the team is great. When will this problem be solved?
We desperately need a Brian Leetch/Zubov style of player for starting the rush and on the PP . Right now that is the top priority for this club...but those guys don't fall from the sky after every bad game .

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12-13-2011, 10:24 PM
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The addition of Richards was supposed to really help the power play, it didn't.

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12-13-2011, 10:26 PM
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How can someone say that starting a back up goalie against us means we will get shutout and lose? How can someone even think that way? It is such loser mentality way of going through life..Im not singling out anyone specific because it seems to be the thoughts of several people here.

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Again, playing well NOW means nothing to me. I've seen it way too many times in recent history. You haven't? Thats a major problem on this board. People love to focus on the present and the past but nobody really takes into account the future. Before you go with the predictable, no I can't predict the future, but I can be worried about it for sure. I know this teams history - it's not flattering, and their mid to late season collapses to playoff scramble have been legendary these past few years.

They hit a few posts - they start giving out points for that? I didn't even say they didn't play well. They didn't get blown out or anything. But me being able to predict the outcome of the game before it was even played was incredibly frustrating. People think that having a decent record in december absolves the Rangers of any criticisms - it doesn't.

i'm not sure what you're saying here exactly...

you say no one takes into account the future, and you're worried about it, based on this team's history, which is in the past?

We are icing a different lineup than last season, so it's not like it's the same cast of characters failing, year after year. This team is finally starting to come into their own. They are far from perfect, but i don't they've regressed into the "same old rangers" because they blinked first a lost a one goal game.

We need some players back in the line up and we need some players out of the lineup. we need some upgrades.

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12-13-2011, 10:37 PM
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i'm not sure what you're saying here exactly...

you say no one takes into account the future, and you're worried about it, based on this team's history, which is in the past?

We are icing a different lineup than last season, so it's not like it's the same cast of characters failing, year after year. This team is finally starting to come into their own. They are far from perfect, but i don't they've regressed into the "same old rangers" because they blinked first a lost a one goal game.

We need some players back in the line up and we need some players out of the lineup. we need some upgrades.
Because the past makes it clear that worrying about the future of this team this season is something that needs to be done. Because i've seen them get off to hot starts way too many times and blow it make what they are doing right now meaningful. If they can sustain that level of play all year then that's great, but that's certainly not a given. People, yourself included, have absolved the Rangers of any criticism due to this hot start. Has this organization earned that right? I think not. They owe it to all of us to prove that they are not the same old rangers. That come crunch time they are still going to be playing well and winning. When I see losses like this, it brings back those old feelings/old concerns.

We've iced a different lineups the past 3 years (just as an example). Same result. Is this the best one? Yeah I think it is. I like the team's heart. I like their spirit. I think they are a good TEAM. But anything past that I'm not convinced of yet. Nobody should be. Dave Lozo said it best a couple of weeks back on XM. Cautious Optimism. That's how he felt about the Rangers and that's how I feel too.

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12-13-2011, 10:53 PM
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The addition of Richards was supposed to really help the power play, it didn't.
we've had 20 "powerplay specialists" come in to this team over the last decade or so. Everyone of them failed. Even Jagr only managed to be successful on the PP for part of one season (his first, and it was the 1st post-lockout) before the wheels fell of that one, too.

I dont know what it is going to take....

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They need to fix the damn power play. Everything else about the team is great. When will this problem be solved?
The Rangers have scored a PP goal in 8 of the last 10 games.

So...it's getting much better...and the PP really wasn't an issue tonight, to be honest. The Rangers just couldn't generate ANY offensive chances.

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The Rangers have scored a PP goal in 8 of the last 10 games.

So...it's getting much better...and the PP really wasn't an issue tonight, to be honest. The Rangers just couldn't generate ANY offensive chances.
My take:

Last year's team was a low end playoff team.

This year;

The goaltending remains solid.

The defense (missing 2 top starters) has not lost a beat. MDZ has really stepped it up.

The penalty kill... as solid as ever.

The power play.. as good as I've seen it over the past number of years. Light years ahead of last year.

Added a playmaker/ scorer in Richards.

Gabs is back to the old Gabs.

Cally has stepped up his game.

The minuses... Dubi needs to score. Boyle's offensive production is minimal.

In sum: Take last year's team add more PP goals and the team should add 10 more points to last years total.

They should be in the game almost every night but should play in few blowouts.

I believe the team is now a solid playoff contender who needs a touch more scoring to be an elite team.

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12-13-2011, 11:17 PM
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I have no shame in this loss. Goalies will steal the show sometimes and that kid in net for Dallas really played incredibly tonight. Rangers threw quality shots on net he just straight up robbed us, particularly on the MCD attempt. It really isn't losses like this that bother me, they really gave a fantastic effort tonight. It's the Tampa and Ottawa home losses that just irk me beyond description.

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12-13-2011, 11:41 PM
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The Rangers have scored a PP goal in 8 of the last 10 games.

So...it's getting much better...and the PP really wasn't an issue tonight, to be honest. The Rangers just couldn't generate ANY offensive chances.
I hear ya, but if iirc we had something like 5 powerplays tonight, three in the third. On our last one we couldn't get anything going and they ended up with two great shorthanded opportunities. The power play just looks bad and it has for awhile. It's the team's only real weakness.

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the rangers are notoriously bad against rookie goaltenders, it probably has something to do with trying to find weaknesses in a guy you haven't seen before. to make a parallel, the yankees who are year in and year out the best offensive team in baseball do this against rookie pitchers too. whenever the yankees face a rookie i'm pretty much 100% sure it's going to be a loss.

there's two ways you can look at a rookie, you can attack him and try to throw him off immediately, or try and pick at him to find his weaknesses. i think the rangers look for weaknesses rather than go for the all out attack and that was their downfall tonight.

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I'm not too concerned about tonight. Having a bad game doesn't make you a bad team. As someone said before, you have to feel sorry for Hank for playing so well the whole game. The offense couldn't put the puck in the net. I'm not expecting to score 6 goals every game though, stuff like this happens to the best teams so it's best to forget tonight and worry about Thursday. I still think we're as a good a team as we've seen in many years, I'm sure the guys will bounce back.

We've come this far with little-to-no production out of Dubi. I remain optimistic and I think he'll heat up soon, and when that happens hopefully we'll have less games like tonight and more games like Sunday.

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Didn't see the game but obviously woywitka messed up. Bad giveaway leads to the only goal. Sure we'd love to have it back but the bigger problem is that we didn't score. I'm not pinning this loss on Woywitka. You have to score to win games.

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I wonder if fans of, say, Flyers and Penguins reason the same way as Ranger fans... outstanding season, among the top teams in the league...

...and 1 loss/bad game:

OOOOMMMGZ WE SUCK, WILL MISS PLAYOFFS, all wins were just fluke games

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Off night for Richards

The main difference in that game, and why we looked like "last year's Rangers" was because Brad Richards had an off night.

If he connects just right on 2 or 3 of the scoring chances that developed, we win that game easily.

Dallas played "Renney" hockey, finally got their chance on a mistake, and that was all it took.

We are a different team when he is on, thankfully that's most nights.

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Good Lord. Rangers didn't play bad at all. Like Torts said post game, "first team to blink loses". Unfortunately we blinked. This Bachman kid wasn't just picked out of a hat with high hopes and Dallas played great D. It happens.

Thats the way I saw it. I thought this was a very good game for both teams. it was an old fashioned goaltending battle. I wasnt disappointed with the effort at all by the Rangers, the execution could have been better by NYR and Dallas played an excellent game defensively blocking shots etc..

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