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12-14-2011, 08:42 AM
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Subban was pretty bad last night.
Martin should (but won't) re-think his d-men pairings.

Subban played his best hockey with Gill. And Kaberle should play with Gorges on the right side. Maybe Gorges is no more intrested to play on the right side like he was in the previous years ? OR Martin, our hardheaded, tunnel visionnaire coach, don't see it as necessary.

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12-14-2011, 08:48 AM
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Martin should (but won't) re-think his d-men pairings.

Subban played his best hockey with Gill. And Kaberle should play with Gorges on the right side. Maybe Gorges is no more intrested to play on the right side like he was in the previous years ? OR Martin, our hardheaded, tunnel visionnaire coach, don't see it as necessary.
Subban has been pretty bad for a while.

Campoli did alright, but it's his first game in how long, so I'll cut him some slack.

Diaz is a good player, but I think Emelin is better and more needed for this team.

And yes, Martin is an idiot. Watching on TSN-Habs they were baffled as to why Montreal would sit back in the 3rd, when their forecheck got them the 3-1 lead...

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12-14-2011, 08:59 AM
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Subban has been pretty bad for a while.

Campoli did alright, but it's his first game in how long, so I'll cut him some slack.

Diaz is a good player, but I think Emelin is better and more needed for this team.

And yes, Martin is an idiot. Watching on TSN-Habs they were baffled as to why Montreal would sit back in the 3rd, when their forecheck got them the 3-1 lead...
It's not the coaches fault. It is mental. They are scared to loose.

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12-14-2011, 09:14 AM
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I think Subban was not so bad after he made his mistake. He quickly adapted to the rest of the team when the Habs were all guns blazing.

Was funny to see Nokawhathisname getting the first star. Long live stupid text messagers.

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12-14-2011, 09:28 AM
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Subban made one very bad play. Otherwise, he's been a top-pairing shutdown D with the occasional offensive pinching or first passes that were outstanding.

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12-14-2011, 09:42 AM
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It's not the coaches fault. It is mental. They are scared to loose.
This. Confidence. They have none with the lead in the 3rd. So they will try to protect it and ironically, it's exactly that which gets them in trouble.

Also, notice how it's not all the lines that get into this shell. The DD line still goes hard on the forecheck because they have CONFIDENCE.

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12-14-2011, 09:44 AM
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It's not the coaches fault. It is mental. They are scared to loose.
So Martin doesn't tell them to start playing the 1-2-2? And that 1 is being generous, because it's more like a 0-3-2 with zero forecheckers.

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12-14-2011, 09:46 AM
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Arpon Basu tweet:
Asked #Habs Price about general impression that season is disastrous, and he said it goes back to the start. Mtl is 12-6-5 since 1-5-2 start

12-6-5? Holy crap, that's a genuine over .500!

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12-14-2011, 09:50 AM
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12-14-2011, 09:52 AM
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Asked #Habs Price about general impression that season is disastrous, and he said it goes back to the start. Mtl is 12-6-5 since 1-5-2 start

12-6-5? Holy crap, that's a genuine over .500!
That's a 103 point pace with a lot of players missing time.

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12-14-2011, 09:55 AM
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Asked #Habs Price about general impression that season is disastrous, and he said it goes back to the start. Mtl is 12-6-5 since 1-5-2 start

12-6-5? Holy crap, that's a genuine over .500!
And now that we have a powerplay I expect that to continue.

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12-14-2011, 09:58 AM
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Asked #Habs Price about general impression that season is disastrous, and he said it goes back to the start. Mtl is 12-6-5 since 1-5-2 start

12-6-5? Holy crap, that's a genuine over .500!
Leading the league in OT losses really helps the point totals. Although 7 wins would have been nicer.

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12-14-2011, 10:01 AM
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I can't tell at this point anymore whether the players are just scared, or Martin is telling them to sit back.

I know for a fact he doesn't tell them to lose board battles, or get beat to the puck in their own zone, they do that part on their own. The lack of forecheck however, I'm not sure.

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12-14-2011, 10:03 AM
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Kaberle-Gorges
Emelin-Campoli
Gill-Subban

Most balanced defensive pairings?

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12-14-2011, 10:09 AM
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Check on the NHL's recap, at NHL.com

Apparently, Price told Noke that he deserved a goal tonight. He had this weird intuition..

Oh and behold!!! Is Carey a Prophet?

Game 31, 2nd intermission: Then Carey saith unto him, "Rise, take up thy stick, and score!"

And he Scored. And we all praised The Goalie

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My game recap. Have a look. Appreciate any comments!

http://aconcernedfan.com/?p=49

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I can't tell at this point anymore whether the players are just scared, or Martin is telling them to sit back.

I know for a fact he doesn't tell them to lose board battles, or get beat to the puck in their own zone, they do that part on their own. The lack of forecheck however, I'm not sure.
I think it's 50% having a young defense panicking, playing scared and 50% mental after some early season blown leads.

In terms of on ice tactics, the d-men need to shorten their gaps, they are giving up the blueline too easily and giving forwards too much room when the opponents have posession in our end.

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Asked #Habs Price about general impression that season is disastrous, and he said it goes back to the start. Mtl is 12-6-5 since 1-5-2 start

12-6-5? Holy crap, that's a genuine over .500!
The dreadful start, and the fact that they are brutal at home, until they can go on some kind of run, the start of 1-5-2 will haunt them for the entire year....They need to go on a 6-1-2 type of run to get rid of their start...

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Subban made one very bad play. Otherwise, he's been a top-pairing shutdown D with the occasional offensive pinching or first passes that were outstanding.
Way too many turnovers and penalties to be considered a top-pairing shutdown D this season. He certainly isn't at the same level as last year offensively or defensively.

Yes he took way too many penalties last year but his overall play was a lot better, when he had the puck you knew nothing too bad was going to happen and if it did he usually was the guy fixing his mistake.

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The dreadful start, and the fact that they are brutal at home, until they can go on some kind of run, the start of 1-5-2 will haunt them for the entire year....They need to go on a 6-1-2 type of run to get rid of their start...
12-6-5 is quite good... But in reality it's like 12-11. or 7-6-5 if you forget the little 5 game winning streak after the 8 first games. It's still a very fragile team that MUST gain confidence a.s.a.p and win more than two games in a row. Besides the Isles and TB, all the other teams are very competitive for the time being.

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Way too many turnovers and penalties to be considered a top-pairing shutdown D this season. He certainly isn't at the same level as last year offensively or defensively.
Well given that he plays the most minutes on D against the other teams best players and the team is 9th best in the league for GA, and 7th in the league in 5-on-5 GF/GA ratio, and 2nd in PK how is that not "a top-pairing shutdown D".

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The dreadful start, and the fact that they are brutal at home, until they can go on some kind of run, the start of 1-5-2 will haunt them for the entire year....They need to go on a 6-1-2 type of run to get rid of their start...
They already did...

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I think it's 50% having a young defense panicking, playing scared and 50% mental after some early season blown leads.

In terms of on ice tactics, the d-men need to shorten their gaps, they are giving up the blueline too easily and giving forwards too much room when the opponents have posession in our end.
Absofrigginlutely. There are too many people giving too much credit/blame to JM for each result, when so much of what happens is an intuitive response by the players on the ice. There's more fear of making mistakes than confidence in playing their game. That's why these problems seem to escalate in the third period, when pressure is on. Just like Price in the shootouts, it's the mental inertia of failure.

Luckily, inertia changes. Slowly.

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Absofrigginlutely. There are too many people giving too much credit/blame to JM for each result, when so much of what happens is an intuitive response by the players on the ice. There's more fear of making mistakes than confidence in playing their game. That's why these problems seem to escalate in the third period, when pressure is on. Just like Price in the shootouts, it's the mental inertia of failure.

Luckily, inertia changes. Slowly.
Good one.

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The positive is they got 2 much needed points against a team below them in the standings..

The negative is they keep blowing 3rd period leads.. Playing the 1-2-2 really sucks for this team. JM says he doesn't tell his players to sit back and yet they still play the 1-2-2 when they have a lead.. If JM does indeed tell them not to sit back and they start playing the 1-2-2 he needs to tell them to stop it and start forechecking.

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