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12-14-2011, 11:13 AM
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a helmet just protects the outside of your head. The cause of a concussion is your brain bouncing off the inside of your skull.
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12-14-2011, 11:17 AM
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All we can hope is that it's just tonight and maybe Friday and he's back at it after that. If he goes down...we're done (obviously).

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All we can hope is that it's just tonight and maybe Friday and he's back at it after that. If he goes down...we're done (obviously).
Don't worry. We have Butler.

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a helmet just protects the outside of your head. The cause of a concussion is your brain bouncing off the inside of your skull.
For those of you who are cyclists, you may know of this study:

http://cyclehelmets.org/1019.html

"For example, in the state of Western Australia where bicycle helmets have been mandatory for all ages since July 1992, the annual cyclist death toll from 1987 to 1991 (pre-law) averaged 7.6 fatalities per year. From 1993 to 1997 (post-law) it was 6.4 fatalities per year, representing a 16% reduction [2]. However, Government cycling surveys show cycling declined in Western Australia by approximately 30% during the 1990s following mandatory helmet law enforcement [3]. Thus, relative to cycle use, fatalities went up, not down."

I can see a similarity with hockey: players wearing helmets are more likely to hit their head because of increase volume around their head than other players not wearing any head protection.

Wearing an helmet increase the numbers of collision (more likely to suffer a concussion) but It would decrease severe head injury.

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12-14-2011, 11:23 AM
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Hockey helmets are pieces of ****.

Take a hammer to a hockey helmet, take a hammer to a football helmet. They can't go to football helmets..but man they gotta do better than they are.
I agree with this. Football helmets protect A LOT more. Maybe somewhere in between hockey and football helmets? Sure, the first few years may look funny seeing players with bigger helmets then they have now, but it's the best way to make the game safer without fundamentally changing the game. Besides, we're already used to wacky looking helmets...remember the lemieux nike space helmet?

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12-14-2011, 11:26 AM
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If helmets didn't play a role, why isn't there a concussion problem in the NFL? Or is there?

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12-14-2011, 11:30 AM
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If helmets didn't play a role, why isn't there a concussion problem in the NFL? Or is there?
There is, info on concussions is more available and were learning a lot more about them with technology and stuff, concussions are a huge NFL topic as well. More precautions being taken in that sport as well.

The thing is, with both sports being so physical and violent, it's pretty hard to prevent them.

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12-14-2011, 11:41 AM
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Bigger ice = less collisions

SEL = Less savage physicality
Not necessarily, this season the SEL is infested by head shots, it was a hot topic of discussion in the media. Sebastian Karlsson of Linköping was suspended 11 games for a hit to the head.

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12-14-2011, 11:42 AM
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At least he's feeling better than he did last night, usually with players that go out for a long period of time feel the opposite, usually feel fine after the hit then get worse the day after.

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For the helmets, it looks to me like the players only have the foam as padding. I myself have a helmet with these gel pads that are supposed to reduce severity\amount of concussions. Why don't they wear those?

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12-14-2011, 11:47 AM
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a helmet just protects the outside of your head. The cause of a concussion is your brain bouncing off the inside of your skull.
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Though it's true that concussions is caused by your brain bouncing around on the inside of you skull.

A helmet will displace the energy of a blow to the head, thus reducing the amount of bouncing around your brain does.

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For the helmets, it looks to me like the players only have the foam as padding. I myself have a helmet with these gel pads that are supposed to reduce severity\amount of concussions. Why don't they wear those?
Because they're not cool, or Don Cherry will think they're a girl.

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Hockey is a violent sport and there are always going to be concussions. The only way to make a significant change in that fact is to change the way the game is played. These players are big boys with big pay cheques who know the risk. C'est la vie.

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Because they're not cool, or Don Cherry will think they're a girl.
Yeah that is interesting, because goalie masks you can get gel pads to replace the foam, a lot of goalies rave about the maltese gel pads they get to replace the foam, although I never tried them before.

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Helmets help with direct impact with a solid surface IE: ice,elbows,boards etc.. If a player is skating say 30 mph ( just a number) and is hit coming to a complete stop, the players brain still slams into the skull since its just surrounded by fluid. A helmet would not help this type of collision.

Think of it as if you are driving in a car without your seatbelt on. You slam into a parked car or wall or whatever going 55 MPH, The car comes to a stop but your body is still travelling at 55 MPH. Through the windshield you will go and probably in a wooden box shortly there after.

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The game is so fast, and the players are so big that collisions happen all the time, and guys have no time to react. I really think that it would make sense to make the ice surface a little bigger, not olympic size, but somewhere between that and current NHL size.

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Just wondering if their is a video of the play?

Hope MM gets better soon.

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12-14-2011, 12:31 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjCaIICkE8E

First play shown on the NHL Network Update or whatever the hell it's called.

It's hard to say maybe it was the whiplash because I don't really see his head smacking the ice in that replay.

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12-14-2011, 01:02 PM
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Helmets help with direct impact with a solid surface IE: ice,elbows,boards etc.. If a player is skating say 30 mph ( just a number) and is hit coming to a complete stop, the players brain still slams into the skull since its just surrounded by fluid. A helmet would not help this type of collision.

Think of it as if you are driving in a car without your seatbelt on. You slam into a parked car or wall or whatever going 55 MPH, The car comes to a stop but your body is still travelling at 55 MPH. Through the windshield you will go and probably in a wooden box shortly there after.
Maybe they should put airbags along the boards?

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Helmets help with direct impact with a solid surface IE: ice,elbows,boards etc.. If a player is skating say 30 mph ( just a number) and is hit coming to a complete stop, the players brain still slams into the skull since its just surrounded by fluid. A helmet would not help this type of collision.

Think of it as if you are driving in a car without your seatbelt on. You slam into a parked car or wall or whatever going 55 MPH, The car comes to a stop but your body is still travelling at 55 MPH. Through the windshield you will go and probably in a wooden box shortly there after.
This --- but a helmet ALWAYS helps fractures and such things... which could cause a far worse injury.

Concussions will still happen -- with the speed of the game, and quick hits, you won`t stop concussions. But you can easily stop death with a helmet.

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If helmets didn't play a role, why isn't there a concussion problem in the NFL? Or is there?
While it's not possible to substantiate, the concussion problem in the NFL is likely even worse. They are having their own issues at the moment with how to deal with it.

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You really have to hope everyone is being extremely cautious these days and it's not a serious concussion. Just take it slow, get Michalek back to100%.

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While it's not possible to substantiate, the concussion problem in the NFL is likely even worse. They are having their own issues at the moment with how to deal with it.
Doesn't seem like it's the issue we have and they're rattling skulls every play.

Think about it....what would their concussion problems be like if the NFL players wore hockey helmets...

Still think helmets don't play a role...? Anyone?

I'm not saying helmets will take them out of the game.... nothing is going to.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjCaIICkE8E

First play shown on the NHL Network Update or whatever the hell it's called.

It's hard to say maybe it was the whiplash because I don't really see his head smacking the ice in that replay.
You can see it hitting the ice on the second clip they show that is more slowmo.. He hits the ice with his head, thats probably it.

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Doesn't seem like it's the issue we have and they're rattling skulls every play.

Think about it....what would their concussion problems be like if the NFL players wore hockey helmets...

Still think helmets don't play a role...? Anyone?

I'm not saying helmets will take them out of the game.... nothing is going to.
The NFL has lots of differences when compared with the NHL.

But even so :

A recent concussion and suspension

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...ion/51917176/1

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Holmgren finally addressed McCoy's concussion Wednesday, one day after the team met with NFL medical officials and Players Association representatives to discuss the handling of the injury and ways to improve the NFL's system on dealing with concussions. McCoy was laid out on vicious a helmet-to-face mask hit by Harrison, who has been suspended for one game without pay.
A second article from December 8th 2011 with the listed concussions:

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There have been 122 concussions during the regular season and 168 since camp opened.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1gXU2AZs5

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