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3 Stars & GBR: Game 29 @ St. Louis Blues

View Poll Results: 3 Stars?
Artem Anisimov 1 1.92%
Ryan Callahan 2 3.85%
Michael Del Zotto 45 86.54%
Brandon Dubinsky 2 3.85%
Steve Eminger 0 0%
Ruslan Fedotenko 1 1.92%
Marian Gaborik 4 7.69%
Dan Girardi 1 1.92%
Carl Hagelin 34 65.38%
Henrik Lundqvist 7 13.46%
Ryan McDonagh 4 7.69%
Brad Richards 0 0%
Derek Stepan 0 0%
Anton Stralman 15 28.85%
Other 1 1.92%
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12-15-2011, 10:39 PM
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Poll wasn't there when I first opened but there it is now....

MDZ
Hagelin
Lundqvist


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12-15-2011, 10:39 PM
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MDZ
McD
Hagelin

MDZ and Mcd covered for the mistakes that Girardi and Eminger were making all night. And those are the only two defenseman (with Stralman a little) who moved up the ice to try and create numbers. Hagelin was good and should never be saddled with Brian Boyle as his center ever again.

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Hockey is a game. I think we all need to keep telling ourselves that after a loss.

A lot of posts in the GDT made me very sad.

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Pretty easy to see why Elliot has the numbers he has. Not a single rebound or legitimate scoring chance. A cut out of a goaltender could post a .920SV% on this team.
This was true for this game, but he's been amazing for the most part. Multiple games he absolutely stole early in the year and he hasn't let up. Good D in front helps, but that's far, far, far from the whole story.

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Not that it was THE difference in this game, but how any different ways can it be proven that Avery needs to be in the lineup (ideally playing more than 4 minutes, but even those 4 minutes and his presence alone are better than the alternative), and it is now beyond doubt that Torts' personal issues will always override all else.

I just find that amazing.

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Agreed. Everyone craps on Dubinsky but some other players were far worse tonight (Richards, Fedotenko, Anisimov was too fancy on a few plays).
Until Dubinsky gets a second goal, he has every right to be crapped on for the remainder of the season.

I'm sick of people focusing on EC, a fourth line player making $800k, calling him "worthless" when we have a $4 million forward, who has registered about ~ 17-18 minutes of ice time per game, and has only registered 1 goal. No more excuses guys. Until he can score a goal, regardless of what other people in the game did, he deserves the criticism he is receiving.

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Del Zotto
Hagelin
Strålman

Bad - no penalties the whole game against the Blues but Eminger drew one. No passion at all!

Redden - Christensen mucking it up...lol

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With Avery in lineup: 11 - 3 - 2
Without Avery in lineup: 6 - 5 - 2

With Christ in lineup: 10 - 7 - 2
Without Christ in lineup: 7 - 1 - 2

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12-15-2011, 10:43 PM
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Anyone who thinks Gaborik is faster than Hagelin needs to watch this game. Speed is only good if you use it.

O lord could I write a dissertation on Gaborik.

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12-15-2011, 10:45 PM
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Not really. The pass was nice, but for the most part, he couldn't handle the puck for the life of his. Even if the puck was glued to the end of his stick he'd find a way to mishandle it.

He was ineffective, falling all over the place, and blowing numerous chances by either waiting far too long to shoot, or completely missing the net
Honestly, I feel like you're describing Gaborik tonight. But what we're talking about is opinion, and the fact is nobody really found a way to make a difference tonight.

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Anyone who thinks Gaborik is faster than Hagelin needs to watch this game. Speed is only good if you use it.

O lord could I write a dissertation on Gaborik.
You have.

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Del Zotto
Hagelin
Strålman

Bad - no penalties the whole game against the Blues but Eminger drew one. No passion at all!

Redden - Christensen mucking it up...lol

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With Avery in lineup: 11 - 3 - 2
Without Avery in lineup: 6 - 5 - 2

With Christ in lineup: 10 - 7 - 2
Without Christ in lineup: 7 - 1 - 2
And does it really matter why this is true. The numbers do not lie. Avery bring something to this team; his three goals in limited ice time are not too shabby and he creates energy. EC sucks energy from the team with his lackluster effort. It seems like a no brainer. But since Torts has no brain, just a heart that hates #16.

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And does it really matter why this is true. The numbers do not lie. Avery bring something to this team; his three goals in limited ice time are not too shabby and he creates energy. EC sucks energy from the team with his lackluster effort. It seems like a no brainer. But since Torts has no brain, just a heart that hates #16.
Those stats mean something but what it tells me MORE is we play worse WITH EC more than we play better with Avery lol. Maybe EC walks around naked in the locker room for no reason and people get all up tight. I dont know...

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Anyone who thinks Gaborik is faster than Hagelin needs to watch this game. Speed is only good if you use it.

O lord could I write a dissertation on Gaborik.
Gaborik's main strength isn't his speed, but his acceleration. Few players in the NHL can take off in one or two strides like Gaborik can (including Hagelin). That is what makes Gaborik such a dangerous player. He's flat footed, the puck drops in front of him, and he's gone.

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Del Zotto
Hagelin
Strålman

Bad - no penalties the whole game against the Blues but Eminger drew one. No passion at all!

Redden - Christensen mucking it
up...lol

Again

With Avery in lineup: 11 - 3 - 2
Without Avery in lineup: 6 - 5 - 2

With Christ in lineup: 10 - 7 - 2
Without Christ in lineup: 7 - 1 - 2
At best a decidedly weak correlation...and correlation is not causation.
Nothing but superstition

The whipping boys here should be the top two lines who have slept through two games in a row.

Who is the 12th forward is the least problem this team has

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And does it really matter why this is true. The numbers do not lie. Avery bring something to this team; his three goals in limited ice time are not too shabby and he creates energy. EC sucks energy from the team with his lackluster effort. It seems like a no brainer. But since Torts has no brain, just a heart that hates #16.
Fine. Let's scratch Dubinsky and put in Avery. I'd rather keep EC in the line up for a shootout. We've only registered a goal in one SO this year, and EC was one of the few who scored a goal. The SO points are too crucial to have no one who can score. Look at the Devils, they're making a playoff push by owning the SO.

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12-15-2011, 10:51 PM
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Hagelin was good. Hopefully they can turn this around Saturday

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What a snoozefest... Doesn't even sound like the Blues fans were that into the game... So quiet in the arena....

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At best a decidedly weak correlation...and correlation is not causation.
Nothing but superstition

The whipping boys here should be the top two lines who have slept through two games in a row.

Who is the 12th forward is the least problem this team has
OK - we have only lost one game (in 10) with Christensen off the ice. 1,6 points per game. I am superstitious and I enjoy it...
Thats all folks...

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Let's get rid of both EC and Avery and call up some kids from the minors. There are more options than those two you know. Stats on EC and Avery are close to useless. Saying we're X-X-X with someone in and X-X-X with someone out is hard to take seriously unless there's some actual evident contributions on their part. Momentum is a tricky thing to make an argument for. I wish Torts would just sit both of them and try and look for a better option. Cannot wait for Rupper to get back. It's been a very very similar story in every L and every W this season.

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Pretty easy to see why Elliot has the numbers he has. Not a single rebound or legitimate scoring chance. A cut out of a goaltender could post a .920SV% on this team.
Yep, the only good chance he faced he got scored on. The other good chances missed the net. Bachman didn't impress me much, but he impressed me more than Elliott. At least Bachman made a difficult save on McDonagh.

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Fine. Let's scratch Dubinsky and put in Avery. I'd rather keep EC in the line up for a shootout. We've only registered a goal in one SO this year, and EC was one of the few who scored a goal. The SO points are too crucial to have no one who can score. Look at the Devils, they're making a playoff push by owning the SO.
We've been in so few shootouts it seems silly to dress a guy for that reason. We have become soft and Rupp and Avery can inject some much needed sandpaper. Dubi also needs to start pissing the other team off more often. He is playing too clean.

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Boyle needs to be benched.

was impressed with del z and even mcD. hagelin showing some speed... but this game was just embarrassing.

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Dubinsky was actually one of our better players tonight. Was a part of the majority of the scoring chances, had the primary assist on DZ's goal.
Solid pass but nothing special.

What is that like his 2nd point in the last 10 games? He's been terrible. Right now we are paying a 4th line grinder 4 mill. 1 goal is just pathetic. Everyone always thought this guy would pot 30. Im not just saying this in hindsight, i've always thought Rangers fans overrated him and I thought we should have traded him when his value was at it's highest.

Only bright spot tonight was Del Zotto. He's been great so far.

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