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11-25-2011, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BurrowsIsBeast View Post
Patrick Roy, 2002 WCF Game 7.

Arguably the greatest goalie of all time, with 3 Conn Smythes to his name, playing in a winner-take-all playoff game ...

and gives up 6 goals on 16 shots as Detroit wins 7-0.
First thing that came to mind.

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11-26-2011, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by CountDownToImpact View Post

Roy in 95-96 in his last game for the Canadiens. Just a brutal game by one of the best goalies in NHL history.
This is why Tremblay is probably the worst coach in NHL history. No one touched him with a ten foot pole after the Habs let him go in 1997. To this day, he is responsible for the last superstar on the Habs bolting. Since 1995 who have they had? Koivu? Kovalev? A single season from Theodore? Cammalleri? Yikes. No one even close to the HHOF who has predominantly been a Hab in the last 15-20 years.

I didn't like Roy personally, he always openly blamed his defense after a goal something I disagree with since you never embarass your defense. Brodeur, Fuhr and other goalies like Fleury never have done that. They are all winners with a laid back style and I know they wanted to win too.

However, even if Roy was a jerk, he was the reason the Habs were always contenders in the 1990s. Take him off that team, and no one puts them in the discussion

Originally Posted by arrbez View Post
In fairness, those were some of the worst 160+ point seasons of all time.

I defy you to argue that point.
Yeah................you are right on that one. The 163 campaign in 1990-'91 where Gretzky nearly had more assists than the next player had points and the 1988-'89 season where he won the Hart with 168 are definitely the worst 160+ point seasons in NHL history. Funny how even if we mockingly criticize Gretzky that he still comes out smelling like roses.

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Originally Posted by arrbez View Post
In fairness, those were some of the worst 160+ point seasons of all time.

I defy you to argue that point.
Lemieux 95-96 and 87-88?

Among the 4 160 points seasons where neither man hit +40, Gretzky has 89 and 91, and Lemieux has 88 and 96.

I'd definitely put Gretzky 91 ahead of all three others. Of these seasons he is the only one to lead the league in ES scoring and he outscored the other team fairly easily.

Among 160 point seasons, Lemieux 88 and 96 are the only 160 point seasons where the player didn't hit 100 ES points, and were dependent on having a higher number of PP opportunities than either of Gretzky's Kings years. If Lemieux 95-96 is given even a slightly lower number of PP opportunities, he falls out of the 160 point club altogether.

While Lemieux 95-96 has the best PPG of the four, the team's ESGF/ESGA ratio improved from 1.12 to 1.31 when he was off the ice. He also avoided playing more difficult games, taking off the second away game when they had back to backs, so his PPG and GF/GA should be inflated slightly.

Of the thirteen 160 point seasons, I'd put Gretzky 91 in the top 10 (maybe even higher) and Lemieux 95-96 at 13. Of the other two, Gretzky 89 scored 100 ES points only 2 behind Lemieux in his 199 point season and Lemieux 88 scored 74 ES points, 17 behind Gretzky 88 even though Gretzky missed 16 games that year.

So I'd argue Lemieux rounds out the bottom 10% of 160 point scorers.

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February 12th 1984 Hartford Whalers 11 Edmonton Oilers 0.

Sure Gretzky and Kurri were on the shelf with injuries, but this was the Oil. Grant Fuhr, Paul Coffey, Mark Messier.

This was the beginning of the Oiler dynasty. Hartford winning is one thing, Hartford scoring 11 is another, and to top it all off the Whalers shuting out the Oilers.

Fuhr started, Moog finished. Joy in Hartford.

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Miikka Kiprusoff in 2010 Olympic semi-finals vs USA. 4 goals against in first 10 minutes and 8 seconds.

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