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12-07-2011, 10:15 AM
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He won't get the Bills.
Ralph already knows what is going to happen when he passes, and it doesn't include Buffalo unfortunately.
The Bills are heading out of town, very simply put, Ralph isn't going to allow the NFL to starve in this small market. This isn't Green Bay, where the County/City co-own the team, and that will never happen again given the new rules written to prohibit it.

This town is going to be a hockey only town and sooner than many think.
19,500 seats are alot easier to fill then 80,000 seats in an area with the economy never grew but actually contracted during the 2nd largest growth period in US history.

And Ralph was more than just the Bills owner, he was one of the architects of the merger of the AFL and NFL, bringing the modern NFL into existence.
And yet, the Bills continue to sell out as long as they're somewhat competitive. They haven't made the playoffs in a decade and they still continue to sell out most games. The problem with the Bills isn't Buffalo, it's the owner and management.

Slight derail of the topic there, so I won't go into it any further here.

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12-07-2011, 10:21 AM
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And yet, the Bills continue to sell out as long as they're somewhat competitive. They haven't made the playoffs in a decade and they still continue to sell out most games. The problem with the Bills isn't Buffalo, it's the owner and management.

Slight derail of the topic there, so I won't go into it any further here.
I'm with you 110% though on what you just said.

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12-07-2011, 11:42 AM
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And yet, the Bills continue to sell out as long as they're somewhat competitive. They haven't made the playoffs in a decade and they still continue to sell out most games. The problem with the Bills isn't Buffalo, it's the owner and management.

Slight derail of the topic there, so I won't go into it any further here.
Actually it's dead on the topic. I was responding to someone pointing toward a possible Bills purchase by Pegula.
And those sellouts you point to, 60% or better are sold out due to firms in the area buying up those excess tickets at a discounted price, cutting into the overall profit margin of Wilson himself.
That won't last long as the area continues to slide on the decline with population and longterm job creation through natural means, not by injecting tax abatement programs like the IDA and such, which have been proven failures in all 50 states to date.

How does it all relate to Pegula and the Bills? He won't be purchasing them and they won't be staying in Buffalo IMO. And that opinion comes with almost ironclad economic, market and proven track record history behind it.

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12-07-2011, 11:45 AM
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Move back on topic folks. Pegula buying the bills or not is slightly on topic, discussing them relocating or how competitive they are? Not at all.

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12-07-2011, 11:51 AM
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This means he is out as a potential buyer of the Bills when ralph goes.
Well he could always sell the agency if he wanted to buy the Bills. I don't know if transferring it to his kids would be sufficient enough, but he could always find an outside buyer (although since I have no clue how long that process would take, so if it is long than that would probably push him out of the running for the Bills).

And this is all contingent upon him actually wanting to buy the Bills, which I don't think he's ever indicated interest in.

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12-07-2011, 04:50 PM
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that would mean he wouldn't be looking out for his client's best interests
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12-07-2011, 08:19 PM
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Odd. This company represents Dareus of the Bills and Ray Rice of Baltimore and many more.

Man hes just buying and buying. Doesn't seem to care much about what happens in Rochester... amongst the mess in Buffalo. Very odd.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/73...-agent-company
Doesn't care about Buffalo and Rochester? That's an odd statement to make.

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12-11-2011, 02:38 PM
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Probably just looking for another easy revenue source to finance the Sabres.
Who is this guy, Mark Hamister?

Three billion in the bank, not to mention $10 million a year in welfare from the league, isn't enough?

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12-11-2011, 05:13 PM
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Who is this guy, Mark Hamister?

Three billion in the bank, not to mention $10 million a year in welfare from the league, isn't enough?
It isn't about "enough".

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It isn't about "enough".
I don't know what it's about then. I don't see why a multi-billionaire has to run around trying to find investment opportunities in order to finance his rinky dink hockey team that's already subsidized by the league.

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12-11-2011, 06:17 PM
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I don't know what it's about then. I don't see why a multi-billionaire has to run around trying to find investment opportunities in order to finance his rinky dink hockey team that's already subsidized by the league.
He didn't get to be a multi-billionaire by passing up good investment opportunities. I don't to see how this is directly related to the Sabres at all.

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I don't know what it's about then. I don't see why a multi-billionaire has to run around trying to find investment opportunities in order to finance his rinky dink hockey team that's already subsidized by the league.
It's not that he needs money to pay for the team. He probably wants other revenues to make it so he can try to break even overall with all of his investments (Sabres being one of them, of course).

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I don't know what it's about then. I don't see why a multi-billionaire has to run around trying to find investment opportunities in order to finance his rinky dink hockey team that's already subsidized by the league.
As a sports fan, this is about more than just making money. He wants to be involved in different sports leagues and have a voice in shaping the direction of those leagues. Apparently billionaires aren't content joining a Yahoo fantasy football league.

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19,500 seats are alot easier to fill then 80,000 seats in an area with the economy never grew but actually contracted during the 2nd largest growth period in US history..
Bills: 73,079 x 7 home games = 511,553

Sabres: 18,595 x 41 home games = 762,395

The Sabres have far more seats to fill every year than the Bills do.

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12-16-2011, 01:38 PM
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Bills: 73,079 x 7 home games = 511,553

Sabres: 18,595 x 41 home games = 762,395

The Sabres have far more seats to fill every year than the Bills do.
Not really because the Sabres have 15,000 season ticket holders. Meaning they only have to sell another 3,000 per game.

The Bills sell around 45000 on average, meaning they have close to 30,000 to sell every game.

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Not really because the Sabres have 15,000 season ticket holders. Meaning they only have to sell another 3,000 per game.

The Bills sell around 45000 on average, meaning they have close to 30,000 to sell every game.
Um.....people still have to pay for season tickets too.....

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Not really because the Sabres have 15,000 season ticket holders. Meaning they only have to sell another 3,000 per game.

The Bills sell around 45000 on average, meaning they have close to 30,000 to sell every game.
So season tickets holders don't count?

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So season tickets holders don't count?
Um, it means the tickets are sold already.

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Um, it means the tickets are sold already.
Um, so?

That doesn't change the number of tickets available to be sold in a given season.

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12-16-2011, 02:24 PM
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Um, so?

That doesn't change the number of tickets available to be sold in a given season.
Sure it does. Sabres only have to sell 3,000 a game after season tickets. Bills 30,000. Thats why season tickets are so important.

Its much harder to fill Ralph Wilson stadium then a Sabres game.

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Sure it does. Sabres only have to sell 3,000 a game after season tickets. Bills 30,000. Thats why season tickets are so important.

Its much harder to fill Ralph Wilson stadium then a Sabres game.
The point was : The Sabres have more physical seats to sell during the hockey season than the Bills have to fill during the football season.

The percentages of season tickets are irrelevant. The seats still have to be sold.

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The point was : The Sabres have more physical seats to sell during the hockey season than the Bills have to fill during the football season.

The percentages of season tickets are irrelevant. The seats still have to be sold.
This was the quote.
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19,500 seats are alot easier to fill then 80,000 seats in an area with the economy never grew but actually contracted during the 2nd largest growth period in US history..
Now you tell me, is it easier to find 3,000 people to buy a ticket or 30,000? The Sabres have to find 3,000 more often then the Bills have to find 30,000, but its still a much easier job.

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This was the quote.
No, it wasn't.

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Bills: 73,079 x 7 home games = 511,553

Sabres: 18,595 x 41 home games = 762,395

The Sabres have far more seats to fill every year than the Bills do.

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My point was that the Sabres have more tickets to sell every year, and that's true.

Whether those tickets are sold as part of season-tickets or as single-game tickets doesn't really make a difference. They still have to be sold.

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