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12-16-2011, 09:41 PM
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4 points tonight...ugh. Still in a slump.

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12-16-2011, 09:54 PM
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dude sucks, can we trade him?

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12-16-2011, 10:09 PM
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Trade the bum. For futures.

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12-16-2011, 10:10 PM
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God, I hate this guy. Couldn't even finish the hat trick. Loser.

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12-16-2011, 10:13 PM
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God, I hate this guy. Couldn't even finish the hat trick. Loser.
No kidding. Lindy puts him out there in the final minute and he doesn't even get a shot attempt on the open net. No killer instinct.

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12-17-2011, 02:43 AM
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dude sucks, can we trade him?
Never said trade him. All he did was prove my point. 4 points and we win.

He is our team. If he doesnt show up we lose by 3 goals last night.

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12-17-2011, 03:16 AM
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trade while his value is high

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12-17-2011, 05:55 AM
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Never said trade him. All he did was prove my point. 4 points and we win.

He is our team. If he doesnt show up we lose by 3 goals last night.
Exactly. If he just got 4 points every night, we'd win more.

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12-17-2011, 08:21 AM
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Never said trade him. All he did was prove my point. 4 points and we win.

He is our team. If he doesnt show up we lose by 3 goals last night.
And to me, that is an indictment of the rest of the team and not Thomas.

No team will go anywhere if it is a team that needs one forward to consistently produce offense to win.

That's my problem with your entire take on this situation and the title of the thread.

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12-17-2011, 08:31 AM
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And to me, that is an indictment of the rest of the team and not Thomas.

No team will go anywhere if it is a team that needs one forward to consistently produce offense to win.

That's my problem with your entire take on this situation and the title of the thread.
Indictment of the team who set him up beautifully for both of his goals? Props to Vanek for finishing them, but he had plenty of help last night.

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12-17-2011, 08:43 AM
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Indictment of the team who set him up beautifully for both of his goals? Props to Vanek for finishing them, but he had plenty of help last night.
The premise that if Vanek isn't scoring, the team isn't winning is an indictment on the rest of the team, IMO.

I don't think it's reasonable to expect that Vanek has to be a top 5 scorer in the NHL for the Sabres to win.

This whole "the team doesn't win if Vanek isn't scoring" theory was started to bash Vanek.

To me, the theory should be about bashing the multiple passengers on this team that cause the team to lose when Vanek goes into a slump that happens to most players in the league.

And while Vanek got set up a couple times, how about his feed to Stafford for the easy goal?


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12-17-2011, 09:07 AM
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Exactly. If he just got 4 points every night, we'd win more.
I know its sarcasm, but my main point is Vanek alone wont win us our cup and i hope Darcy is trying to make a trade package of some of secondary players, Roy, Stafford, Ennis, Boyes, picks, prospects...so we can get another 1st line type player in here.

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12-17-2011, 11:19 AM
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I know its sarcasm, but my main point is Vanek alone wont win us our cup and i hope Darcy is trying to make a trade package of some of secondary players, Roy, Stafford, Ennis, Boyes, picks, prospects...so we can get another 1st line type player in here.
That certainly wasn't your argument to begin this thread.

"Why are we losing? Its simple, your 2 best scorers arent producing, Vanek and Roy. Its not Ruff, its not the goalies, its not the GM, its not the defense, its Vanek and Roy. Where have we heard this before? Oh yeah, the last 5 years. These guys arent winning us a cup."

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12-17-2011, 11:59 AM
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That certainly wasn't your argument to begin this thread.

"Why are we losing? Its simple, your 2 best scorers arent producing, Vanek and Roy. Its not Ruff, its not the goalies, its not the GM, its not the defense, its Vanek and Roy. Where have we heard this before? Oh yeah, the last 5 years. These guys arent winning us a cup."
That is my argument. They arent winning us a cup. The team isnt good enough. Vanek and Roy are our top 2 forwards, that is not winning you a cup. That needs to change.

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12-17-2011, 12:11 PM
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That is my argument. They arent winning us a cup. The team isnt good enough. Vanek and Roy are our top 2 forwards, that is not winning you a cup. That needs to change.
The team isn't good enough and needs to change, but the GM isn't at fault?

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I want my 4 ****ing draft picks

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Would Vanek and a first be enough to pry Gomez out of Montreal?

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Would Vanek and a first be enough to pry Gomez out of Montreal?
That sure as hell better be sarcasm.

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That sure as hell better be sarcasm.
Sorry. Vanek and two firsts?

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Indictment of the team who set him up beautifully for both of his goals? Props to Vanek for finishing them, but he had plenty of help last night.
but which other sabres forward could have finished them like that. That was poise yesterday...real killer instinct. The first goal especially...

btw i think that vanek would work beautifully with john tavares. aint never gonna happen, but i have been watching both of them play a lot and I can really see it.

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The team isn't good enough and needs to change, but the GM isn't at fault?
That remains to be seen. In the past Regier could feed me the "Roy is a top 20 scoring center" and I would take it and say yeah, we cant do much better. But now with all the resources he has I expect Regier to take more risks with the roster.

Im just waiting for the ball to drop. One of these days we will see a player traded and we all will wonder why Darcy didnt make it.

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12-17-2011, 02:26 PM
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but which other sabres forward could have finished them like that. That was poise yesterday...real killer instinct. The first goal especially...

btw i think that vanek would work beautifully with john tavares. aint never gonna happen, but i have been watching both of them play a lot and I can really see it.
The team I am eying is Carolina. They have centers. Their #1 prospect is a center, they have another top young center in Brandon Sutter, they have Staal, and Ruutu.

I would be on the phone daily with them trying to get a deal done.

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