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[PHX/OTT] Kyle Turris to Ottawa for David Rundblad & 2nd rounder

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12-18-2011, 04:57 PM
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Yeah, but that makes the deal even worse.

Team is winning, is among the highest scoring teams in the league at 3 goals per game, a ton of rookies in the line-up.
And they're last in the league in goals against, something Rundblad directly contributed too.

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12-18-2011, 04:58 PM
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Once Rundblad figures this NA out lookout.
"Once"? Make that an "if" and I'd agree with you.

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12-18-2011, 06:10 PM
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I had a night to reflect on this trade and this morning I came to the conclusion this trade still ****ing sucks.
You are not alone.. When I first heard about the trade I wanted murray's head on a stick, but I calmed down a bit and only want him fired now.

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12-18-2011, 06:12 PM
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Yeah, but that makes the deal even worse.

Team is winning, is among the highest scoring teams in the league at 3 goals per game, a ton of rookies in the line-up. Not like they NEEDED Turris or anything or that they could not wait for Rundblad to develop with Karlsson and Cowen on beast mode.

So they overpay for Turris who is unproven, is scoreless in 6 games back with the yotes, and on top of that they just drafted Mika Zbanejad who almost made the team full time as an 18 year old after 9 regular season games. Peter Regin who is a pretty good stop gap is still on the team.

So question is Turris good enough to force Zbinejad to wing. Is he even better than Peter Regin right now?
Zibanejad may have a 9 game tryout, but he wasn't close to making the team. It wasn't even a tough decision for Murray to send him back. He was responsible but he didn't generate any offense, he is at the very least two years away from making the team, probably 4 from being an impact player.

Peter Regin has not proven to be a good stop gap, Foligno has done a much better job in the 2C. But I think Murray wants to keep Foligno on the wing.

With Alfie not having much left it gives us the extra option in the future as someone who can fill our many holes in the top 6. I believe Murray sees Regin as a winger moving forward. Who knows by the time Zibanejad is making an impact Spezza may have moved on. We don't know what will happen. Doesn't make sense to wait 2 years at the least for a guy who may never fill the role.

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12-18-2011, 07:13 PM
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12-18-2011, 07:15 PM
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Zibanejad may have a 9 game tryout, but he wasn't close to making the team. It wasn't even a tough decision for Murray to send him back. He was responsible but he didn't generate any offense, he is at the very least two years away from making the team, probably 4 from being an impact player.
This is wrong. Read the article when they send him back:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=3490

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12-18-2011, 07:20 PM
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This is wrong. Read the article when they send him back:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=3490
I'm well aware of what was said, I'm also well aware fo what he did on the ice. He had xero offense in his game, he wasn't getting anything done. He wouldn't have beeen able to make but not in an offensive role, and that's what we want from him. He is at least 2 years away from making the team.


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12-18-2011, 09:49 PM
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Oh my god. I just heard the news. I am so sorry Ottawa fans. I cannot believe this could happen in real life. I feel like this would've been a locked-before-10-posts proposal thread someone here would've made.

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12-18-2011, 09:56 PM
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Sens get fleeced. Turris is nothing but a Matt Stajan clone but has attitude.

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12-18-2011, 10:26 PM
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Kyle Turris is an entitled little **** headed spoiled brat piece of ****.

That said, he's got one hell of a wrist shot. That shot is the only thing he's shown in the NHL other than amazing ability to lose battles, get man handled, laze about defensively, cherry pick and cheat.

All that said, I watched him in the Super Series, the WJCs, and at Wisco. As an amateur, he was an amazing talent, and he's still quite young. If Ottawa is the kind of organization that's willing to stroke his little ego, silver spoon feed him top line minutes and instantly forgive any and all transgressions, he may actually become a good player. I'm talking 25-30 goal and 50-60 point good. It could happen. It would never have happened on a team trying desperately to make the playoffs and doing so with a technical coach, a demanding difficult system requiring tremendous discipline and buy in.

As for Rundblad, I watched him very, very closely at both the '09 and '10 WJCs. I saw a tremendously talented offensive defenseman with HUGE defensive problems. Then he put up 50 points in 55 games in the SEL. I see him as a project and a risk. I don't think he will be a true top pairing type but he could be a lethal weapon on the pp.

Turris might remain a snivling cry baby punk who completely busts. He could be a 30 goal scorer.

Rundblad might become 60 point power play tyrant. He may become a fringe pp specialist, #6 type.

Both are boom or bust players.

That said, good riddance to Kyle Turris. I wish him the worst. I'm glad we got some upside back for him. This is 2.5 times the value I expected for him. I'm really thrilled with this return. This coming from the guy who is infamous for underrating second round picks. Every year I'm ridiculed for failing to admit they have much value. Still, I'm elated by this turn of events in the Turris saga. Its a great return. Even if both players are coin tosses and the 2nd is a hail Mary at best.

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12-18-2011, 10:27 PM
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This trade is a HF nightmare.
World's best dman prospect and a second in a deep draft for a bust(as defined by HF)

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12-18-2011, 10:33 PM
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Kyle Turris is an entitled little **** headed spoiled brat piece of ****.

That said, he's got one hell of a wrist shot. That shot is the only thing he's shown in the NHL other than amazing ability to lose battles, get man handled, laze about defensively, cherry pick and cheat.

All that said, I watched him in the Super Series, the WJCs, and at Wisco. As an amateur, he was an amazing talent, and he's still quite young. If Ottawa is the kind of organization that's willing to stroke his little ego, silver spoon feed him top line minutes and instantly forgive any and all transgressions, he may actually become a good player. I'm talking 25-30 goal and 50-60 point good. It could happen. It would never have happened on a team trying desperately to make the playoffs and doing so with a technical coach, a demanding difficult system requiring tremendous discipline and buy in.

As for Rundblad, I watched him very, very closely at both the '09 and '10 WJCs. I saw a tremendously talented offensive defenseman with HUGE defensive problems. Then he put up 50 points in 55 games in the SEL. I see him as a project and a risk. I don't think he will be a true top pairing type but he could be a lethal weapon on the pp.

Turris might remain a snivling cry baby punk who completely busts. He could be a 30 goal scorer.

Rundblad might become 60 point power play tyrant. He may become a fringe pp specialist, #6 type.

Both are boom or bust players.

That said, good riddance to Kyle Turris. I wish him the worst. I'm glad we got some upside back for him. This is 2.5 times the value I expected for him. I'm really thrilled with this return. This coming from the guy who is infamous for underrating second round picks. Every year I'm ridiculed for failing to admit they have much value. Still, I'm elated by this turn of events in the Turris saga. Its a great return. Even if both players are coin tosses and the 2nd is a hail Mary at best.
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12-18-2011, 10:36 PM
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Sens get fleeced. Turris is nothing but a Matt Stajan clone but has attitude.
Having just posted in your poll thread about OEL.

This isn't what I'm seeing in this player as I watch him.

People aren't considering the possibility Ottawa comes out with the better player long-term, and they DO come out with the better player short-term.

I watched his shifts in his game last week against Minnesota and now I'm watching Game 4 of Detroit vs Phoenix from last year, he just battled Lidstrom off a puck.

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12-18-2011, 11:04 PM
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I'm well aware of what was said, I'm also well aware fo what he did on the ice. He had xero offense in his game, he wasn't getting anything done. He wouldn't have beeen able to make but not in an offensive role, and that's what we want from him. He is at least 2 years away from making the team.
Zbinejad looked a hell of a lot better in his 9 games than Hossa did as an 18 year old in Ottawa.

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12-18-2011, 11:11 PM
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Zibanejad game is best suited as winger. I have said this countless times and ottawa even started to paly him with Spezza.

Zibanejad WILL be a winger when he comes over unless Turris is a big bust. Zbad looks like a Hossa clone

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12-18-2011, 11:14 PM
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Zbinejad looked a hell of a lot better in his 9 games than Hossa did as an 18 year old in Ottawa.
And hossa didn't make an offensive impact until 2 years later.

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and now I'm watching Game 4 of Detroit vs Phoenix from last year, he just battled Lidstrom off a puck.
Turris and Doan were about the only Coyotes that looked like they belonged in the playoffs last year. He showed his top notch skill and he showed that once he grew up a bit physically he would be a very dangerous weapon. He has since grown up physically. Sens fans are going to forget all about Rundblad for the rest of this season anyways.

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This is like one of those trades in EHM where you add yourself as the GM of the other team then trade all their good assets to yourself for garbage.
Coincidentally, I plugged this trade into the most recent roster update on EHM.

Paul MacLean says its a terrible deal for Ottawa.

Don Maloney says this is a great deal for us.

I pulled the trigger anyways. 15 games into the season and Turris is on my 4th line with Chris Neil and Erik Condra.

****.

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And hossa didn't make an offensive impact until 2 years later.
lol Hossa was one of the top rookies in the NHL as a 19 year old having missed 1/3 of the season coming back from a major knee injury.

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This trade is a HF nightmare.
World's best dman prospect and a second in a deep draft for a bust(as defined by HF)
you mean people on hf were 100 % dead wrong about the value of both of these players?



this trade is just an absolute treat

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Neither player has proved **** in the NHL.

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And to think, Ottawa could have KEPT their pick, drafted Tarasenko AND had their 2nd rounder back in this deep draft. I think they will rue not risking drafting the Russian.

Frankly, Tarasenko is likely better than Turris is right now, despite the age difference.

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And to think, Ottawa could have KEPT their pick, drafted Tarasenko AND had their 2nd rounder back in this deep draft. I think they will rue not risking drafting the Russian.

Frankly, Tarasenko is likely better than Turris is right now, despite the age difference.
They made up for that by trading for Filiatov

It is way too early to evaluate this trade, so Phoenix look like that they received good value.
But how some people here thought they could get Turris for garbage that was unrealistic.

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And to think, Ottawa could have KEPT their pick, drafted Tarasenko AND had their 2nd rounder back in this deep draft. I think they will rue not risking drafting the Russian.

Frankly, Tarasenko is likely better than Turris is right now, despite the age difference.
Ottawa doesn't do Russians at the draft. We would have never selected him, and neither did the 15 teams ahead of us for similar reasons. It was David Rundblad for the 16th overall pick, that's it.

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This trade is a HF nightmare.
World's best dman prospect and a second in a deep draft for a bust(as defined by HF)
Larsson is the best defensive prospect in the league, hands down. I suggest you actually watch Rundblad before trying to make such claims.

This draft is really becoming overrated. While the top talent is still there, there has been a lot of first round projections who've really disappointed. A 2nd was more valuable last year, where the 2nd round had players just as good as the first, than it is this year.

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