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12-18-2011, 01:47 PM
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Hi guys, Sens fan here. I thought Rundblad was playing great this year, he's a very good passer, he has pulled some nice dekes, and he also tries to go for big hits every once in awhile. You can really tell that once he gets stronger and gets more used to the speed of the NHL he'll be a great player. I am very sad to see him go, treat him right.

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12-18-2011, 01:48 PM
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I agree with you that Nashville will be hardpressed to deal one of their big 2 but if they feel they can't resign one of them, Poile is not a fool and will at least listen to offers. It will all come down to what the Flyers would be willing to offer. If the Predators could turn a pending UFA into a package of great assets, they are not stupid. But I agree it would take a lot to get anything done here.

Why is Yandle a non-starter for conversation? He's far from Nicklas Lidstrom here. Every player has a price and Maloney would be a fool to not even listen to offers.
I just don't think the Flyers would trade Giroux (which would be our asking price given that Yandle was a strong Norris candidate for much of last season). Weber is the best d man in the league (should have won the Norris last year IMO). Yandle is in that second group. He finished top 5 in the Norris vote for best D man and he's easily our best blueliner at this point.

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12-18-2011, 01:53 PM
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I just don't think the Flyers would trade Giroux (which would be our asking price given that Yandle was a strong Norris candidate for much of last season). Weber is the best d man in the league (should have won the Norris last year IMO). Yandle is in that second group. He finished top 5 in the Norris vote for best D man and he's easily our best blueliner at this point.
Flyers wouldn't trade Giroux but you don't think a package of Schenn, Carle and a 1 rounder even get Maloney to answer the phone?

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12-18-2011, 01:57 PM
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Flyers wouldn't trade Giroux but you don't think a package of Schenn, Carle and a 1 rounder even get Maloney to answer the phone?
I like Schenn. 1st is likely in that 25-30 range which doesn't make it a slam dunk in terms of desired value. Carle is a UFA is he not. Money is a bit of an issue in Phoenix. It's a conversation starter sure. Would I do it? No. Yandle is our top player right now.

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12-18-2011, 02:07 PM
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Maloney said in the Q&A video that you can never have too many defencemen. But to me, we clearly have too many (prospects anyways). Guys like Goncharov or Stone don't stand a chance of becoming NHLers with this team, despite their continued development.

This coming draft is loaded with high potential defensive prospects. Should we deal now before those draftees flood the market? Yandle's value is very high right now but it's hard to imagine a workable trade for him. Gormley will be showcased at the WJC and his value could rise.

OEL for Couturier?
Gormley and 2nd for Brayden Shenn?
Summers and 2nd rounder for Pajarvi?

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12-18-2011, 02:13 PM
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Maloney said in the Q&A video that you can never have too many defencemen. But to me, we clearly have too many (prospects anyways). Guys like Goncharov or Stone don't stand a chance of becoming NHLers with this team, despite their continued development.

This coming draft is loaded with high potential defensive prospects. Should we deal now before those draftees flood the market? Yandle's value is very high right now but it's hard to imagine a workable trade for him. Gormley will be showcased at the WJC and his value could rise.

OEL for Couturier?
Gormley and 2nd for Brayden Shenn?
Summers and 2nd rounder for Pajarvi?
The WJC will be a showcase for Gormely; especially if he assumes a leadership role.

Personally, I would deal Rundblad but that's mainly due to my feeling that he is overrated and unworthy of the #7 overall prospect on HF's most recent list. If MPS is available then the Oilers get my first phone call (even though in theory a Center is what we need - I just view MPS as an impact goal scorer)

OEL is off limits for me. I wouldn't deal him if I had a choice; even if Schenn is being dangled to be honest. I would look at Gormely or Rundblad before I even considered OEL as a bargaining chip.

Right now if I'm Maloney I'm shopping a number of our older D men before the deadline and Schlemko.

The issue of course isn't now or next year. It's 3 years from now when everyone wants to get paid "Yandle" money.

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12-18-2011, 02:26 PM
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OEL is off limits for me. I wouldn't deal him if I had a choice; even if Schenn is being dangled to be honest.
Even knowing how much the Yotes need a center (and have a collection of young defenders), you wouldn't do a one for one swap of OEL for Schenn?

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12-18-2011, 02:28 PM
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Even knowing how much the Yotes need a center (and have a collection of young defenders), you wouldn't do a one for one swap of OEL for Schenn?
I would try to deal Gormely or Rundblad before i moved OEL. I don't think Phoenix would accept a OEL for Schenn deal.

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12-18-2011, 02:37 PM
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Even knowing how much the Yotes need a center (and have a collection of young defenders), you wouldn't do a one for one swap of OEL for Schenn?
I wouldn't. I'm much more inclined to try something like Klesla for Brassard or Morris & a 2nd for Josh Bailey or something like that. Hopefully we draft a center this year and develop someone that grows into the 1C role.

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12-18-2011, 04:58 PM
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I have a foggy memory of what Tverdosky used to play like, but I remember him being pretty quick and scrambled a lot. I think Rundbland is more of the silkier ilk. For right handed shooters think Doughty, Green, maybe Zubov. Obviously those are all really good players, just talking style.
Not a chance because those guys are all much more dynamic than Rundblad. I'm having trouble finding comparatives with Runblad. I see a poor's man Gonchar out there, not as smooth skating and obviously not the same powerful shot Gonchar used to have. Right now his comparative would be a skilled Alexandre Picard but he has time to grow as he is just a rookie. His offensive upside might be Marc-Andre Bergeron (not in style), hopefully he can be more polished defensively. And his top-end might be like Tomas Kaberle like someone else said. Im not sure he can pull off numbers like Kaberle did though, it remains to be seen.

I was a huge Rundblad fan (and still am) but my knock on him (outside of his defensive play that needs A LOT of work) is that he wasn't dynamic enough. He seems to do things in slow motion and with the quality of competition out there, they figured out his style very quickly. The difference with the SEL was the additional fraction of second he had to make plays. Now he needs to adjust and basically simplify his game a lot. No choice, he isn't the only skilled player in the NHL.

All that being said, Rundblad is an unique player and has some magic hands. His future is an unknown and I guess the Sens weren't ready to gamble with it and decided to trade him while his value was high. Turris is a young skilled forward with a release, something the Sens don't have an abundance of if they want to score from range. Sens brass are apparently very high on him, hopefully they make a good player out of Turris because it sure feels weird to lose Blade Runner (I nicknamed him like that)

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January 24th the Senators come to town.

It will be interesting to see if the anybody takes a run at Turris.
With Neil, Carkner, Konopka, Smith, Cowen, Winchester and Foligno in the line-up I suggest them not to.

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As a Sens fan I gotta say you guys definitely won this trade and I hope (also believe) that DR7 will be a force for you guys in 2-3 years. I will continue to follow his career and root for him (as well your teams future D looks godly).
Statements like that are a bit stupid/foolish IMO, no one has a crystal ball. No trade has ever been won on day 1 and most of the time, both teams end up "winning" or "losing" at the end of the day. Only on HF that "win" thing is as important, but it's not the real world, just a virtual forum where hockey fans share their opinions. In the real world, teams exchange their problems (Phoenix -Turris) and try to fill needs (Ottawa - 2nd Line Center)

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12-18-2011, 05:30 PM
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I'm intrigued to see how Turris plays in a different system. I fear a Briere type immediate impact.

That being said a day later my feelings are still what they were yesterday and reflect my rant earlier in the week. We had to move on.

I'm hoping O'Reily's two game point streak is a sign of good things to come. His emergence as a legitimate 15 minute per game player would be extremely positive. We still need to buy Miele some developmental time.

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12-18-2011, 06:02 PM
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I fear a Briere type immediate impact.
The whole thing has a smell of Briere 2.0.


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The whole thing has a small of Briere 2.0.
I would argue that Briere never really got a fair chance here. I don't know if I would say the same thing about Turris though. He was given tons of opportunities with tons of different wingers. He just routinely came up with 0's on the stat line. Looked like an elite level prospect but the results were always incredibly underwhelming.

Top end I'm not sure even if Turris puts it all together that he ever becomes anything more than a 50-60 point player. That's still very good. Just below our expectations.


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I'm intrigued to see how Turris plays in a different system. I fear a Briere type immediate impact.

That being said a day later my feelings are still what they were yesterday and reflect my rant earlier in the week. We had to move on.

I'm hoping O'Reily's two game point streak is a sign of good things to come. His emergence as a legitimate 15 minute per game player would be extremely positive. We still need to buy Miele some developmental time.
Puck moving dman in this new NHL are woth their weight in gold.

To get a 6-3 200+ lb dman with Rundblad skills is major. Rundblad isnt just a puckmoving dman. he is a puckmoving break you down dangling offensive dman with all kinds of puck patience.

I think he has a legit shot at becoming a top 10 dman.

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Even knowing how much the Yotes need a center (and have a collection of young defenders), you wouldn't do a one for one swap of OEL for Schenn?
I wouldn't. Of all our defensive prospects, OEL is the one I don't want moved unless the deal is massive over payment. I personally think OEL will be a star in this league. Gormley for Schenn I would consider.

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The whole thing has a smell of Briere 2.0.
Yeah but the striking difference is there is absolutely no chance Turris does that here, so who cares. Briere had already put up 60 pts on the Yotes and just shouldn't have been moved. I barely followed hockey in those days and I was ready to riot.

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12-18-2011, 10:52 PM
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Kyle Turris is an entitled little **** headed spoiled brat piece of ****.

That said, he's got one hell of a wrist shot. That shot is the only thing he's shown in the NHL other than amazing ability to lose battles, get man handled, laze about defensively, cherry pick and cheat.

All that said, I watched him in the Super Series, the WJCs, and at Wisco. As an amateur, he was an amazing talent, and he's still quite young. If Ottawa is the kind of organization that's willing to stroke his little ego, silver spoon feed him top line minutes and instantly forgive any and all transgressions, he may actually become a good player. I'm talking 25-30 goal and 50-60 point good. It could happen. It would never have happened on a team trying desperately to make the playoffs and doing so with a technical coach, a demanding difficult system requiring tremendous discipline and buy in.

As for Rundblad, I watched him very, very closely at both the '09 and '10 WJCs. I saw a tremendously talented offensive defenseman with HUGE defensive problems. Then he put up 50 points in 55 games in the SEL. I see him as a project and a risk. I don't think he will be a true top pairing type but he could be a lethal weapon on the pp.

Turris might remain a snivling cry baby punk who completely busts. He could be a 30 goal scorer.

Rundblad might become 60 point power play tyrant. He may become a fringe pp specialist, #6 type.

Both are boom or bust players.

That said, good riddance to Kyle Turris. I wish him the worst. I'm glad we got some upside back for him. This is 2.5 times the value I expected for him. I'm really thrilled with this return. This coming from the guy who is infamous for underrating second round picks. Every year I'm ridiculed for failing to admit they have much value. Still, I'm elated by this turn of events in the Turris saga. Its a great return. Even if both players are coin tosses and the 2nd is a hail Mary at best.
Figured I'd post this here.


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12-18-2011, 11:17 PM
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Fellas, I just remember that while Kyle was on his sabbatical, all the posters were saying that all we'd get was a 3rd round pick or some warm body 4th line grinder.

Well, GMDM does it again and gets us an unbelievable return in Rundblad plus a 2nd round pick.

Just this year Rundblad was named the "Prospect of the year"...now granted after watching some Ottawa games, he has some defensive warts, but I suspect that Jim Playfair can curb those and let David's offensive capabilities flourish. Plus, he was the "right handed" d we were looking for to replace Rozy next season.

Imagine a year ago what anyone would think if we had: Yandle/OEL/Gormley/Rundblad, everyone would just crap and now we do.

Now, what we also have is a few players that will counter balance the $ demands these high end players will expect with the likes of Schlemko and Summers. Summers looks to be a fine defensive defensemen, really steady in is own end. The only thing the Yotes are missing right now is the big "bad ass" dman. That is what we need

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So....first off I'm an Ottawa fan, but I also like Phoenix because I've been through the Seattle Sonics situation and I hope you keep your team no matter what considering I played juniors with a guy from Arizona and he was a die hard Yote fan and a good friend.

Anyways I was looking up anything I could find about Turris and I saw the youtube vid of him fighting with Schlemko (sp?) What was that all about? From what I have read Turris hustled and was a decent teamate, he just didnt play defense so he didnt get the ice time....

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All of us on the Yotes board would agree that he plays absolutely no defense and gets pushed off the puck easily.

However, you will get polar opposites from the board on whether Kyle is a "punk" or that he got treated poorly by management. The truth like many things in life is somewhere in between.

I can tell you for sure that Kyle will fit into the Sens system better than the Yotes, but with that said, I can't see Turris putting up decent points until he's moved to the wing. His wicked wrister just screams for him to be moved to the wing, where he can be put in a shooting situation with a quality center...you will notice that from the clips of him, that more of his goals come off the pass rather than him creating something for himself.

He won't create space and tries to dangle through guys all the time and turns over the puck every time while trying. His wrister is lethal, but you'll find it frustrating watching him play in the defensive zone as he resembles an 8th grade girl on a sadie hawkins mission. He will undoubtedly put up more pts for Ottawa than he did for the Yotes just by shear mass of more minutes.

You can put me in the 'hate him now' side and wish him nothing but misery. He was supposed to be the savior, the 3rd overall player that would be able to put up Patty Kane type of points...so he'll be booed feverishly when the Sens come to Phx.

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Not a chance because those guys are all much more dynamic than Rundblad.
From a pure skill stand point? I would say he's not far off from Doughty and Green. Zubov was amazing though. Not a whole lot of flash, the guy looked like he was practically in slow motion the whole time. The plays he made were amazing though. Think Lidstrom and Niedermeyer. Guys that make it look effortless. From what I've read, Rundbland has the potential to possess that ability in the offensive zone. If he can find a way to simplify his game and not become a liability in the other two zones he could be a real good player for us.

I think all of us remember how poor OEL was in his own end last year. Regularly getting beat by 4th liners wide. Leaving guys wide open in front of the net. Or how horrendous Yandle was his first couple of years here. Schlemko anyone? Offensive d man take some time to learn how to play D at this level. I like what Maloney said about how the high hockey IQ guys find a way to be effective players.

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Rangers Fan Here,

Congrats on Rundblad, what a deal!

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Well, they sent the kid to a place where he can't return to haunt us. I liked Turris when I met him and I hope that he lights it up for the Sens. I would be happy for a win-win scenario as I have no ill wishes to Turris.

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However, you will get polar opposites from the board on whether Kyle is a "punk" or that he got treated poorly by management. The truth like many things in life is somewhere in between.



You can put me in the 'hate him now' side and wish him nothing but misery. He was supposed to be the savior, the 3rd overall player that would be able to put up Patty Kane type of points...so he'll be booed feverishly when the Sens come to Phx.
He was drafted higher than his play would dictate IMO. He was rushed to the league after just one year of college play. It isn't his fault that he wasn't a low round draft pick as good second line center might be. It also wasn't his fault that he played his rookie year as a top line center weighing a buck fifty-five.

It was a mess more on the Coyotes side than on Turris. I only blame Turris by holding out to create a trade rather than by signing and requesting a trade quietly. Maloney hade a history of granting private requests for trades.

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All of us on the Yotes board would agree that he plays absolutely no defense and gets pushed off the puck easily.

However, you will get polar opposites from the board on whether Kyle is a "punk" or that he got treated poorly by management. The truth like many things in life is somewhere in between.

I can tell you for sure that Kyle will fit into the Sens system better than the Yotes, but with that said, I can't see Turris putting up decent points until he's moved to the wing. His wicked wrister just screams for him to be moved to the wing, where he can be put in a shooting situation with a quality center...you will notice that from the clips of him, that more of his goals come off the pass rather than him creating something for himself.

He won't create space and tries to dangle through guys all the time and turns over the puck every time while trying. His wrister is lethal, but you'll find it frustrating watching him play in the defensive zone as he resembles an 8th grade girl on a sadie hawkins mission. He will undoubtedly put up more pts for Ottawa than he did for the Yotes just by shear mass of more minutes.

You can put me in the 'hate him now' side and wish him nothing but misery. He was supposed to be the savior, the 3rd overall player that would be able to put up Patty Kane type of points...so he'll be booed feverishly when the Sens come to Phx.
One of the problems with moving him to wing is he is below average at retrieving and working pucks in the corners. Just doesn't have the lower body/torso strength to hold position in the corners. While his defense isn't great either way, he's better off playing center in the offensive zone imo as that's the forward position playing higher in the zone the majority of the time.

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