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07-21-2011, 01:42 PM
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I think you could put together a Stanley Cup caliber team with all the players the Kings have traded away in its 44 year history.
The D would be all time.

I am trying to remember our worst G debacle.


Your probably right though, we are *the* example of how not to build a contender up until now.

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I can appreciate what you're trying to say, but it was not the chicken and the egg. Sydor started making some glaring mistakes, then the boos started.

It became that went you went to a game, you just KNEW a Sydor gaff would happen; it was just a matter of when, how many times, and how many goals it lead to.

Seriously, what should the Kings have done with Sydor? Send him down? Play him less? Had different coaches?


The Kings have a pretty good D without Hickey, so they're not in any big rush to bring him up. It would be a total shame if he gets traded and turns into another Murphy or Sydor - that CANNOT happen.

Hopefully, Hickey can contribute in a big way someday.
I thought Larry Robinson kind of threw him under the bus though. The kid was obviously struggling and Robinson was somewhat critical in the media and kept putting him in situations that were not designed to rebuild his confidence.

Sydor obviously had talent. There was just so much panic in his game and him trying to do too much that the puck was like a hand grenade on his stick. He would make a mistake and after the goal he would skate back to the bench with his head down like a whipped pup.

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07-21-2011, 01:47 PM
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The D would be all time.

I am trying to remember our worst G debacle.


Your probably right though, we are *the* example of how not to build a contender up until now.
Easily Billy Smith. They also surrendered the 1st round draft pick that could have landed the Kings a franchise goalie: Tom Barrasso.

LA got Rick Martin. BUF got 1981 5th Overall pick. (March 10, 1981). Rick Martin would go on to play four games with the Kings.

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07-21-2011, 02:03 PM
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That's right! I forgot the Barrasso pick. Billy Smith was enigmatic but you can't argue the proof. That said I still believe that we have destroyed a few gifted G by playing them too early and or making them face 40+ shots per night on average. I was friends with Cap Rader when he was with the team and he told me that Stuaber used to flinch in his sleep so hard that he would wake up on the floor. Not too uncommon for an NHL goalie but RS would grunt or shout when he did it making it impossible for him to have an on the road roomie.

Poor kid, I wonder if he still does it.

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07-21-2011, 02:21 PM
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That's right! I forgot the Barrasso pick. Billy Smith was enigmatic but you can't argue the proof. That said I still believe that we have destroyed a few gifted G by playing them too early and or making them face 40+ shots per night on average. I was friends with Cap Rader when he was with the team and he told me that Stuaber used to flinch in his sleep so hard that he would wake up on the floor. Not too uncommon for an NHL goalie but RS would grunt or shout when he did it making it impossible for him to have an on the road roomie.

Poor kid, I wonder if he still does it.
LOL! I think his roaming out of the net had coaches flinching in their sleep too!

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That's right! I forgot the Barrasso pick. Billy Smith was enigmatic but you can't argue the proof. That said I still believe that we have destroyed a few gifted G by playing them too early and or making them face 40+ shots per night on average. I was friends with Cap Rader when he was with the team and he told me that Stuaber used to flinch in his sleep so hard that he would wake up on the floor. Not too uncommon for an NHL goalie but RS would grunt or shout when he did it making it impossible for him to have an on the road roomie.

Poor kid, I wonder if he still does it.
Ha, that's a great story. Stauber must be having night terrors dreaming of Charlie Huddy and the escort defense fronting him. I know Stauber runs a goaltending school now. When I was a kid I used to think he was the goaltender of the future for the Kings, especially after his impressive first 10 games in 92-93 when he went 9-0-1.

I wonder what Rick Knickle was thinking when he faced 46 shots and 45 shots in his first two NHL games. The quality of defense he had with the San Diego Gulls was probably better than LA's defense.

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Ha, that's a great story. Stauber must be having night terrors dreaming of Charlie Huddy and the escort defense fronting him. I know Stauber runs a goaltending school now. When I was a kid I used to think he was the goaltender of the future for the Kings, especially after his impressive first 10 games in 92-93 when he went 9-0-1.

I wonder what Rick Knickle was thinking when he faced 46 shots and 45 shots in his first two NHL games. The quality of defense he had with the San Diego Gulls was probably better than LA's defense.
My multiple Robb Stauber rookie cards also suggest I thought he was the goaltender of the future for LA!

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07-21-2011, 03:23 PM
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You guys are making me depressed. These stories no fun just sad very sad.

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The D would be all time.

I am trying to remember our worst G debacle.


Your probably right though, we are *the* example of how not to build a contender up until now.
hadnt read the earlier postd

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hadnt read the earlier postd
I believe the Kings received in that deal was Rick Martin, but close enough. The idea is the same and it really sucks that the Kings were run that way for so long.

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I believe the Kings received in that deal was Rick Martin, but close enough. The idea is the same and it really sucks that the Kings were run that way for so long.
your right I was a ranger fan as a kid and gilbert was my favorite player in those days,my bad, but still has to be one of the worst trade in NHL history

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Ha, that's a great story. Stauber must be having night terrors dreaming of Charlie Huddy and the escort defense fronting him. I know Stauber runs a goaltending school now. When I was a kid I used to think he was the goaltender of the future for the Kings, especially after his impressive first 10 games in 92-93 when he went 9-0-1.

I wonder what Rick Knickle was thinking when he faced 46 shots and 45 shots in his first two NHL games. The quality of defense he had with the San Diego Gulls was probably better than LA's defense.
Wasn't Knickle the guy who set the all time wins in a season record with the San Diego Gulls? I remember something like that but I could be wrong.

Think about it if you were Rob Stauber after being acknowledged as the best goalie outside the NHL you get a chance to go right into the NHL and you do really well. The summer happens and then you get more rubber thrown at your face then a wanna be starlet on a casting couch. More rubber than Hugh Grants former love interest. More rubber than a Montreal..... you get the idea.

Rick "THE F I AM GONNA PLAY IN LOS ANGELES" Martin? I remember when he said that and then he played his four or five games and then was done. Classic example of how truly deeply we sucked as an org back then.

The sick thing was that I honestly thought that the deal was awful but not the worst I'd heard of at the time back then. Of course I was still young enough that I believed in everything our GM's did. I thank Sam the disaster McMaster for fixing my naivete though it had been pretty well ruined by then.

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07-21-2011, 07:13 PM
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God these are depressing stories.

The Sydor trade was awful, but he needed a change of scenary....The only saving grace is that we turned around and traded Churla, Kurri and McSorley for Ferraro, Lappy, and a young d-man named Matty Norstrom. Check this article out...

http://articles.philly.com/1996-03-1...mcsorley-trade

The writer called Lappy a "marginal player." Ha, if he only knew....Lappy is in the only player in that whole deal still in the NHL.

The Boucher deal was awful, we let him walk away over 1 year. I'm still pissed at that.

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It is appropriate to provide this link to a post I had written last year when fans were suggesting the team trade Jack Johnson (which tends to happen every year).
http://hfboards.com/showpost.php?p=2...&postcount=675
This should be a sticky....

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07-22-2011, 11:19 AM
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In a case of, "Be careful what you wish for", Hickey would make $1.316 mil if he makes the team, $500K at Manchester.

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In a case of, "Be careful what you wish for", Hickey would make $1.316 mil if he makes the team, $500K at Manchester.
if being a little guy is whats keeping him from playing in the nhl I would be main lining hgh or whatever I could to get bigger and make that higher check....

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Another lackluster AHL season for Hickey, is he officially a bust now?

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Another lackluster AHL season for Hickey, is he officially a bust now?
Not even close.

He leads the team with a plus 14 and has been scoring of late apparently. He only had 4 total points just about 2 weeks ago and now he has 8.

He's worth the wait.

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Another lackluster AHL season for Hickey, is he officially a bust now?
With the 2012 draft six months away, it would mark the five year anniversary of when the Kings made the most head scratching selection in team history, right along with Dan Gratton and Craig Duncanson. He's got a long hill to climb to get a sniff at an NHL game with the Kings.

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Not even close.

He leads the team with a plus 14 and has been scoring of late apparently. He only had 4 total points just about 2 weeks ago and now he has 8.

He's worth the wait.
He's small, he hasn't been a prolific point scorer, he has to be a very good defensive player to make a NHL lineup soon. Nearly 5 years since being drafted in the lottery and he still hasn't stepped on NHL ice. Isn't that alarming?

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He's small, he hasn't been a prolific point scorer, he has to be a very good defensive player to make a NHL lineup soon. Nearly 5 years since being drafted in the lottery and he still hasn't stepped on NHL ice. Isn't that alarming?
No, not alarming at all. Yeah, he's undersized but he's really improved on getting stronger and playing solid defense. You also have to remember that he was injured for a couple of seasons so, you have to factor that in to the equation.

Yeah, he's been a disappointment, but I still think he has good upside and I expect for his scoring to pick up.

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It is alarming in a way, because he's been passed up by four defensemen on his road to the NHL. He'll be traded soon. This is also why GM's shouldn't take ten million players at one position, and the pick even at the time was an insane overreach. Set the tone for taking North American defensemen with first rounders if at all possible. Only eight other first rounders are yet to play in the NHL, one of them died unfortunately, and the next nearest to Hickey was taken at pick #19. I'm going to leave it at that.


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hated the Hickey pick at the time, and every day since. Saying that it turned out to be a crappy 1st round for everyone and we did get Simmonds and Martinez out of it.

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hated the Hickey pick at the time, and every day since. Saying that it turned out to be a crappy 1st round for everyone and we did get Simmonds and Martinez out of it.
Yeah, I can understand people griping about the Hickey pick but very few of that year's first rounders have done anything of significance in the NHL.

Here's what's funny - people mention that Boston would've taken Hickey that year if he'd fallen to 8, but the guy they took (Hamill) only played his first NHL game last week against us. So maybe Boston's GM didn't read that class too well.

EDIT: My bad - Hamill played 3 games back in late 2010. Point still stands - the 1st round picks (on a whole) of 2007 were/are lackluster at best.

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Personally, I thought Hickey looked slightly better than Voynov during camp this past summer. He certainly was more physical.

I'd really like to see him get a look at some point this season.

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