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12-19-2011, 05:50 PM
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"I dont want have this kid come up the red line and dump it in every time. I have all kinds of players that can do that" LOL

I really like Dallas Eakins

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12-19-2011, 05:51 PM
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Zigomanis.

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12-19-2011, 05:52 PM
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Better then here though. I'd rather be in the middle of the league then dead last. I just wonder if its the system or players
Perhaps it is a bit of both?

In Washington:

24th
13th
7th
15th
1st

Average: 12th

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12-19-2011, 05:52 PM
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Better then here though. I'd rather be in the middle of the league then dead last. I just wonder if its the system or players
it's about knowing what you got and making the best out of it

i don't know how ANYONE can argue that he's getting the most out of our pk with 4 years of futility

lol if we were like 15th for 2 of those years i'd listen to arguments

i frankly don't care what he has done in SJ

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It was 1st for one year.

In San Jose:

1st
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23rd
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30th

Average: 15th
Still significantly better. Both of the seasons where Wilson had a bottom-10 PK, the team wasn't very good. When they finished 30th, Wilson took over midway through the season and the team was horrible, finishing last in the conference. When they finished 23rd, the Sharks struggled for a large part of the season and were on a 10 game losing streak at one point but then went on a really good run with Thornton and found themselves in a playoff spot.

What I don't get is now that the team is better, we're still doing god-awful on the PK.

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12-19-2011, 05:57 PM
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Definitely a good interview.

Reminds me of that commercial just shown on Sportsnet. Creates the reaction of "geeze why isn't this guy coaching the Leafs instead of the Marlies?"

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12-19-2011, 06:00 PM
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i frankly don't care what he has done in SJ
Ignoring facts is a good way to make you feel better about your position, but not really something I'd want management to engage in.

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12-19-2011, 06:07 PM
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Ignoring facts is a good way to make you feel better about your position, but not really something I'd want management to engage in.
lol i like how you quote one sentence out of my post

like i stated, look at what results he's producing with the leafs

it's not one year, it's 4 years man

do you think our personnel is dead last in therms of the pk? i might have believed this 2 years ago, but not now..

plus the whole sj argument is a moot one. for one, it was the 'old nhl.' secondly, it's not like he was top 5 every year
he averaged 15th, which is not outstanding

common people, some of you are defending worst system for 4 years.

think about it, you have to almost try to be that bad

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12-19-2011, 06:08 PM
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Still significantly better. Both of the seasons where Wilson had a bottom-10 PK, the team wasn't very good. When they finished 30th, Wilson took over midway through the season and the team was horrible, finishing last in the conference. When they finished 23rd, the Sharks struggled for a large part of the season and were on a 10 game losing streak at one point but then went on a really good run with Thornton and found themselves in a playoff spot.

What I don't get is now that the team is better, we're still doing god-awful on the PK.
who were the goalie and top d pair when SJ finished higher than 15?
PK / PP are coachable

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12-19-2011, 06:09 PM
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We all know teams and especially the Leafs have the most difficulty on the PP when they are facing aggressive penalty killers. It definitely is applicable in the NHL.
Completely agree. IMO, the lack of puck pressure is what is the major factor in our terrible PK. If you give NHL caliber PP's time and space to make a play, they are more likely to make a good one.

There is a huge difference between an aggressive PK and having your PK unit running around, chasing the puck. I have no doubt that if the Leafs were to put pressure on the puck carrier, thus taking time and space away, we'd have a much more successful PK.

As a result, we likely wouldn't have lost half the games that we have.

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12-19-2011, 06:32 PM
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lol i like how you quote one sentence out of my post

like i stated, look at what results he's producing with the leafs

it's not one year, it's 4 years man

do you think our personnel is dead last in therms of the pk? i might have believed this 2 years ago, but not now..

plus the whole sj argument is a moot one. for one, it was the 'old nhl.' secondly, it's not like he was top 5 every year
he averaged 15th, which is not outstanding


common people, some of you are defending worst system for 4 years.

think about it, you have to almost try to be that bad
To be fair, Wilson coached three of his five seasons with the Sharks post-lockout.

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12-19-2011, 06:38 PM
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Only reason Eakins is saying that he doesnt know if his systems or top Pkers would translate to the NHL is because he would essentially be saying Wilsons doing it wrong.

Eakins has a nice system, but he also has good players. Zigomanis is an elite AHL player, Boyce is a very good two-way player, D"Amigo is a good NHL prospect

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12-19-2011, 07:35 PM
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The vast majority of good PKs in the league are very organized, and very aggressive. They pressure the puck as a unit, collectively getting in the passing lanes while applying pressure so as to create turnovers. The Leafs PK is one of the most passive I've seen, and also one of the worst that I've seen, we give opposing teams all the time in the world, and simply do not take them out of their comfort zones. The odd times we do pressure the points/puck, we just send one man, with the other 3 staying back in the box, so it's useless pressure, the passing lanes are not cut off and the guy being pressured can make the easy pass, then we're left scrambling to recover.

As I was writing, the Kings scored easily on a perfect example of this. We pressured the point with one man, but everyone else stayed collapsed around Reimer, leaving the passing lanes wide open. Doughty makes the easy pass, we're left scrambling to recover, and they score with ease.

(this particular play should have been whistled dead on the offside, but regardless, I've seen our team get burned on these half assed, "1 man pressures while everyone else collapses around the goalie" type plays)


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12-19-2011, 07:53 PM
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As I was writing, the Kings scored easily on a perfect example of this. We pressured the point with one man, but everyone else stayed collapsed around Reimer, leaving the passing lanes wide open. Doughty makes the easy pass, we're left scrambling to recover, and they score with ease.

(this particular play should have been whistled dead on the offside, but regardless, I've seen our team get burned on these half assed, "1 man pressures while everyone else collapses around the goalie" type plays)
lol certain ppl here are not convinced enough

we need about 3 more years of ineptitude before wilson gets canned

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12-19-2011, 08:57 PM
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Don't we have a system? 3 in the corners with Dupuis laying on the ice somewhere?
lmao that's about it

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Leafs PK was pretty aggressive tonight.

Still gave up a goal though.

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Ignoring facts is a good way to make you feel better about your position, but not really something I'd want management to engage in.
I'm pretty sure you can start ignoring those facts when they're such a distant memory. Let me guess... you still think Glen Sather is a great GM for what he did with the Oilers?

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12-19-2011, 09:11 PM
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Leafs PK was pretty aggressive tonight.

Still gave up a goal though.
Bozak.

He needs to be a regular on the PK. IMO we should drop him from the PP and let him be one of our top PKers. We dont even really need him on the PP too much

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12-19-2011, 09:15 PM
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Leafs PK was pretty aggressive tonight.

Still gave up a goal though.
what is your point?

there is a method to the madness of the penalty kill

like i said, do you expect DE to spell out his entire pk strategy on the radio?

nobody said all out aggression is the only thing that is needed

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12-19-2011, 09:29 PM
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Don't we have a system? 3 in the corners with Dupuis laying on the ice somewhere?
I just read this, gave me a good laugh.

and true.

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With Wilson yelling "Let's go!" from the bench.
You forgot, with Cronin elbowing him in the side to wake him up.

elbow in the side....wakes up and yells 'let's go'.

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12-19-2011, 10:31 PM
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I've always thought our PK wasn't attacking the puck enough on the kill. The better pk teams in the league are always aggressive on the puck. The box that we have played for ever drives me crazy. Every thing this team does is anti aggressive, very un-Burke like.

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12-20-2011, 12:50 AM
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Don't we have a system? 3 in the corners with Dupuis laying on the ice somewhere?



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I must say, Eakins came off a tad ambitious with that interview, purposely contrasting his philosophy with the big club. I bet the brass took notice. Just waiting for some press guy to ask Wilson why they don't employ the Marlies system?
Wilson and Eakins do communicate, remember Wilson saying earlier in the year they go over strategies together. I'm sure Wilson knows what the Marlies do, either he is too stubborn to change after 20 years of coaching or he is simply oblivious to it isn't working. Eakins wants aggression, Wilson wants passive PK. Disagree about sounding ambitious to me, it was the Maclean and Kipper pressing him on commenting on the Leafs PK, he was just stating his coaching philosphy, he tried to not talk about the Leafs to avoid the appearance of critiquing Wilson. But one thing I really liked about the interview is the aggressive approach he preaches on the PK and challenging the PP.

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It was 1st for one year.

In San Jose:

1st
14th
23rd
7th
30th

Average: 15th
Thanks, I posted these same stats before, when the #1 PK is brought up. It's a mixed bag really. Regardless it's been awful since he's been here.


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