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12-19-2011, 11:16 AM
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Why Burke didn't stuff Lebda in AHL last year and brought up other D like Finger is a good question.
Why he signed Lebda when he had Finger is another question

Lebda didn't play up to his contract and was never waived?
And yet Burke kept him on the roster.

Why? The reason is simple. Finger was another GM signing and not his problem.
Lebda was Burke signing and it would look like he made a bad decision stuffing him in the AHL. So he traded him to Nashville for Franson and took on a salary dump (lombardi).

All the while he could have avoided this by simply playing Finger as 6/7th and not be loaded with lombardi contract next year as well

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12-19-2011, 11:21 AM
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Finger costed more and Lebda was brought in to move the puck, something Finger cannot do. It wasn't a pride issue, it was "hey we need to compete and Jeff Finger with Mike Komisarek won't work"

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12-19-2011, 11:22 AM
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In a way I feel bad for him. I didn't think he played that poorly with us. He's not worth 3.5 million but what idiot would turn that down?

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12-19-2011, 11:26 AM
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Finger costed more and Lebda was brought in to move the puck, something Finger cannot do. It wasn't a pride issue, it was "hey we need to compete and Jeff Finger with Mike Komisarek won't work"
yeah because lebderp and komi were so much more effective

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12-19-2011, 12:03 PM
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This is cap circumvention by Burke. He is good enough to play in NHL.
But not good enough at his salary.
Call a spade a spade - Burke screwed him over for cap purposes.
Sorry, it is a business. The player has to live up to his end of the deal too. If he does not, he has to face some consequences.

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12-19-2011, 12:45 PM
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This is cap circumvention by Burke. He is good enough to play in NHL.
But not good enough at his salary.
Call a spade a spade - Burke screwed him over for cap purposes.
Finger isn't good enough at any salary. Burke had the cap room to put Finger in the lineup last season but he and I know what you don't.

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12-19-2011, 12:49 PM
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When i went to the Marlies game he looked like he was just having a good time. Seemed to be smiling and talking to refs and opposing players the whole game. Im not saying he is dogging it, but he seems to be making the best of what he has got. Would you really complain? playing unrecognized hockey for 3.5 mil a year.

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12-19-2011, 12:56 PM
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Finger isn't good enough at any salary. Burke had the cap room to put Finger in the lineup last season but he and I know what you don't.
This is a wrong statement. Next you tell me how Finger is worse then Lebda.
That Lebda was such a great player, Burke couldn't stuff him in the AHL. How many years did Finger play in NHL before getting signed to too big a contract?

Next year Finger plays in NHL somewhere - signing him to contract for 1 or 1.5M which is where he should be at. But again he is capable of playing in the NHL unlike Lebda. But Finger is stuffed in AHL to get around cap space problem.

Is it a bad business decision by Burke to stuff him in the AHL.
No I would do the same thing. And lots of team do it if they have the money to.

But is he violating the spirit of the cap circumvention. Yes

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12-19-2011, 01:05 PM
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I wish these "journalists" would do research before they publish these stories.

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Even if the Leafs recall Finger with the intent to trade him, they would have to pay half his salary and that would count against the cap. While hes in the minors, none of his salary counts against the cap.
That's only true if he's claimed on re-entry waivers. And I'm not even sure if the Leafs HAVE to recall him to trade him. Anyone know the specifics behind that?

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12-19-2011, 01:17 PM
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I'm sure some team will sign Finger as a depth defender on a cheap contract this upcoming summer. He's good enough to play a limited shut-down role.

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12-19-2011, 01:20 PM
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This is a wrong statement. Next you tell me how Finger is worse then Lebda.
That Lebda was such a great player, Burke couldn't stuff him in the AHL. How many years did Finger play in NHL before getting signed to too big a contract?

Next year Finger plays in NHL somewhere - signing him to contract for 1 or 1.5M which is where he should be at. But again he is capable of playing in the NHL unlike Lebda. But Finger is stuffed in AHL to get around cap space problem.

Is it a bad business decision by Burke to stuff him in the AHL.
No I would do the same thing. And lots of team do it if they have the money to.

But is he violating the spirit of the cap circumvention. Yes
What part about the Leafs not being close to the cap last season did you not understand?

Lebda was better than Finger but that isn't any praise for Lebda at all.

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12-19-2011, 01:47 PM
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What part about the Leafs not being close to the cap last season did you not understand?

Lebda was better than Finger but that isn't any praise for Lebda at all.
Now that is an inaccurate statement if I ever read one. Wow but I'll let it slide because you are acting all the homer. That is, Finger is washed up just like all those oiler fans who claim Souray was washed up has been that is not good enough to play in the NHL even though the oilers had cap space to call him up.

When Finger is signed in the NHL next year and capable plays a 5/6/7 role you will be even wronger. And if Finger is recalled this year before the trade deadline, he won't survive re-entry waiver at 1.5M.


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12-19-2011, 01:59 PM
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Question- Can an nhl contract be voided if both parties agree to it?

Could finger and the leafs negotiated a settlement whereby finger agrees to terminate his contract with the leafs and forfeit his salary in order to attempt to gain a contract from another nhl team?

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Now that is an inaccurate statement if I ever read one. Wow but I'll let it slide because you are acting all the homer. That is, Finger is washed up just like all those oiler fans who claim Souray was washed up has been that is not good enough to play in the NHL even though the oilers had cap space to call him up.

When Finger is signed in the NHL next year and capable plays a 5/6/7 role you will be even wronger. And if Finger is recalled this year before the trade deadline, he won't survive re-entry waiver at 1.5M.
Finger isn't Souray. Finger will never play another NHL game.

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12-19-2011, 02:05 PM
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Finger actually put up decent point totals..Lebda was horribad

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12-19-2011, 02:09 PM
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Now that is an inaccurate statement if I ever read one. Wow but I'll let it slide because you are acting all the homer. That is, Finger is washed up just like all those oiler fans who claim Souray was washed up has been that is not good enough to play in the NHL even though the oilers had cap space to call him up.

When Finger is signed in the NHL next year and capable plays a 5/6/7 role you will be even wronger. And if Finger is recalled this year before the trade deadline, he won't survive re-entry waiver at 1.5M.
When Finger is signed next season I will be watching out for flying pigs.

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12-19-2011, 02:11 PM
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That's only true if he's claimed on re-entry waivers. And I'm not even sure if the Leafs HAVE to recall him to trade him. Anyone know the specifics behind that?
Correct, you don`t need to recall a player from the AHL to trade him, and he would only count 1/2 against Leafs cap if he was claimed on re-entry waivers (mandatory) to return to the NHL and play with the Leafs.

If he was recalled, cleared waivers on the way up, and then traded he would costs the Leafs zero against the cap thereafter as his full remaining contract would move with the player.

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12-19-2011, 11:04 PM
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hes prob giving the finger to the leafs organization right now.

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12-20-2011, 01:11 AM
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hes prob giving the finger to the leafs organization right now.
no, no he's not.

he got paid $14 million for very little effort.

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I wonder if the irony is not lost on some players that hold out for more cash. Careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
most players who hold out for more money generally do it because thats what they care about most, money and not playing hockey.

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12-20-2011, 06:38 AM
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I can only muster sympathy for Finger like I have for any other pro player who isn't good enough to stay as a regular NHLer. During Finger's entire time with the Leafs, the Leafs have needed the type of defenseman that Finger was supposed to be. Finger wasn't remotely close to being that type of defenseman with him unable to handle NHL forwards with even modest foot speed. It may have been a gross error in signing him to an undeserved contract but it was also a completely lost opportunity by Finger.

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12-20-2011, 06:44 AM
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I'm sure he'll get at two-way deal from someone next year. He's a tweener.

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12-20-2011, 06:58 AM
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In the salary cap world, being dramatically overpaid can get you buried in the minors.

Finger should have considered that before literally taking advantage of an old man.

If Finger cares about his career, then I'm glad he's being punished for his selfish greed. But if all he cares about is money... then I guess he`s taking his 3.5 million a year in the ahl and laughing.

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