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Cunneyworth named interim Head Coach/Carrière Assistant Coach

View Poll Results: What traits do you want for next coach?
Hire from within the organization 1 2.00%
Play offense and don't sit 20 40.00%
Must be bilingual 3 6.00%
Keep the defensive system 1 2.00%
Hire the best coach available 42 84.00%
Play in your face hockey w / forechecking 22 44.00%
Keep a fighter in the lineup and play him 5 10.00%
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12-20-2011, 06:04 PM
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Would it be acceptable if someone from the coaching staff does the press conferences if the head coach does not know French?
That wouldn't be acceptable in English in 29 other markets, why would it be acceptable in French here?

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That wouldn't be acceptable in English in 29 other markets, why would it be acceptable in French here?
Really? It wouldn't? I really couldn't care less which one on our coaching staff addresses the media. Maybe that's just me.

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Really? It wouldn't? I really couldn't care less which one on our coaching staff addresses the media. Maybe that's just me.
That's especially the case considering the organization's guidelines regarding communications.

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care to provide ONE example of us limiting ourselve because of language ?

you know, something that did happen in the 100+ years of existence of this franchise...
Do you really think if being bilingual wasn't a prerequisite we would have hired JM? I look back to that summer and Peter Laviolette and Dave Tippet were available who I would have much rather had. But they weren't even considered. Thats my problem. That year there was very little out there for proven french speaking coaches. Now people bring up "Oh if babcock was out there we would take him!" But those 2 coaches are very good coaches, Laviolette a former stanley cup winner, but we didn't even look at him. No, we got Jacques Martin.

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12-20-2011, 06:29 PM
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Do you really think if being bilingual wasn't a prerequisite we would have hired JM? I look back to that summer and Peter Laviolette and Dave Tippet were available who I would have much rather had. But they weren't even considered. Thats my problem. That year there was very little out there for proven french speaking coaches. Now people bring up "Oh if babcock was out there we would take him!" But those 2 coaches are very good coaches, Laviolette a former stanley cup winner, but we didn't even look at him. No, we got Jacques Martin.
Actually, look at Gauthier for this one, not to a so-called directive...

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12-20-2011, 07:11 PM
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Do you really think if being bilingual wasn't a prerequisite we would have hired JM? I look back to that summer and Peter Laviolette and Dave Tippet were available who I would have much rather had. But they weren't even considered. Thats my problem. That year there was very little out there for proven french speaking coaches. Now people bring up "Oh if babcock was out there we would take him!" But those 2 coaches are very good coaches, Laviolette a former stanley cup winner, but we didn't even look at him. No, we got Jacques Martin.
that you dont know, and besides if you paid attention to Gainey's tenure, he was clearly not the guy to look at all the options, when he had his mind or something he went for it without looking for plan B or anything... case in point the Rivet trade (turned out to be great for us, but still, SJ is the only team he talked to), si IF anything, he didnt call Laviolette cause he already had his mind set on JM, not cause Lavi didnt speak french...


although I agree he's a very good coach, I dont buy into the cup winning thing... I mean, Perron and Hartley do have cup rings you know...

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12-20-2011, 07:23 PM
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Do you really think if being bilingual wasn't a prerequisite we would have hired JM? I look back to that summer and Peter Laviolette and Dave Tippet were available who I would have much rather had. But they weren't even considered. Thats my problem. That year there was very little out there for proven french speaking coaches. Now people bring up "Oh if babcock was out there we would take him!" But those 2 coaches are very good coaches, Laviolette a former stanley cup winner, but we didn't even look at him. No, we got Jacques Martin.
Everybody here was overjoyed that Martin had been hired because they were harping about having an experienced coach for once. Now the same people are ready to jump into bed with Cunneyworth. Martin was by far the most experienced coach available at that time, no doubt about it.

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12-20-2011, 07:32 PM
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Apparently, according to the article by MA Godin, we can expect to see more of Blunden and Nokelainen under Cunneyworth, as he believes in rolling four line.

Great. I wouldn't complain if the fourth line was Leblanc-Eller-Darche or somesuch, but the one we have right now is just craptastic. I think this is gonna get worse before it gets better.

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12-20-2011, 07:39 PM
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Don't blame the shrinking French population on the English-speaking community. Truth is, people are not having kids so the population is aging. Not sure what to blame it on but the stats are pretty clear (I think 1.4 kids in Quebec versus 2.4 US average).

We have the same thing happening here in the US with Hispanics. They have a sense of family and usually have 3-4 kids while most non-Hispanics have an average barely over 2. Hence, they are growing faster as a share of the population.

Where I agree with you is that this is boiling over because it's been a long time we've had QUALITY local boys on the Habs and to boot we have a team on the bubble year after year. Replacing JM with RC just pulled the scab.
I don't blame the English Quebec minority for the demographic decline of the French. But I do blame the English Minority to rile up all their media and Toronto friends to treat us like Nazis when we try to actually deal with the problems.

Quebec is decried as xenophobic and racists across Canada based solely on the language issue. The fact that we have a "Language Police" (as ineffectual as it actually is) is compared to National Socialist party lines. Editorialists like McPherson calls us xenophobes and close-minded because we'd want to be served in French in restaurants or stores in Montreal.

Hell, we are decried as extremist anti-Israel and antisemitic because of the march we join in support of the Palestinians or Lebanese, but at the same time we are supposed to be Islamophobes for refusing Sharia law. Everything is fair game when it comes to Quebec-bashing. How are we supposed to take action?

I was listening to the radio earlier (Michel Villeneuve, Bergeron and Fournier on 98,5) and Ron did said something really clever:

Pierre Gauthier chose the single worst moment to fire JM and replace him with an anglo coach. Both political chambers are closed for the holidays. The NHL has a trade-freeze period. Nothing will effectively happen in the next 2-3 weeks... so we have NOTHING ELSE TO TALK ABOUT.

Plus, PG should have known that, RIGHT NOW, it was probably the single worst moment in YEARS to appoint an anglo as Head Coach, since language issues have been at the headlines many times in the past months. The Supreme Court, Canada's Main Public Auditor, the Caisse de Depot, the National Bank, etc...

If Pierre Gauthier would have been remotely in synch with the Quebec people and/or media, he'd have known better. We happen to be really on edge about these things recently, and he are hit with THAT in the face while the Habs are losing?

PG practically sealed his fate. He won't last as GM.

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12-20-2011, 07:40 PM
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Apparently, according to the article by MA Godin, we can expect to see more of Blunden and Nokelainen under Cunneyworth, as he believes in rolling four line.

Great. I wouldn't complain if the fourth line was Leblanc-Eller-Darche or somesuch, but the one we have right now is just craptastic. I think this is gonna get worse before it gets better.
Not surprising considering he was
a forth liner by the end of his career that played an important role.
I think he will roll 4lines, and truly stick with the guys that give him the most. That could change every night.

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If Pierre Gauthier would have been remotely in synch with the Quebec people and/or media, he'd have known better. We happen to be really on edge about these things recently, and he are hit with THAT in the face while the Habs are losing?

PG practically sealed his fate. He won't last as GM.
Give the guy a break, he lives in Vermont.

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I think he will roll 4lines, and truly stick with the guys that give him the most. That could change every night.
I personally think it's a terrible way to coach. There's a reason your fourth-liners play on the fourth line, and "energy" isn't it.

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Here's a surprisingly insightful article from the Canadian Press on this whole debacle. IMO it pretty much sums up the debate in a detached and unbiased manner, with quotes from many other coaches and players.

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I personally think it's a terrible way to coach. There's a reason your fourth-liners play on the fourth line, and "energy" isn't it.
Energy is what they are supposed to bring because it's all they got.

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Energy is what they are supposed to bring because it's all they got.
Pretty much. They are the fourth line because they are your worst forwards. If they were any good, they'd be top-9ers.

And when you're using your #13 and #15 forwards due to injuries... well.

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Pierre Page was on sportsnet radio today and he agrees that language shouldn't matter when selecting a coach. He went on to list numerous teams across Europe that employ coaches that do not speak the official language of the country their team is based in.

He also noted that coaching ability is the only thing that matters. I don't understand why you would care about anything else.

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Pierre Page was on sportsnet radio today and he agrees that language shouldn't matter when selecting a coach. He went on to list numerous teams across Europe that employ coaches that do not speak the official language of the country their team is based in.

He also noted that coaching ability is the only thing that matters. I don't understand why you would care about anything else.
And Carbonneau, Vigneault, Tremblay, Savard, etc... disagree.

Pierre Page is probably the only french canadian coach to have gotten a job in the NHL while never coaching in the junior ranks in Québec. He would say that.

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The Habs should hire this guy.

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Politicians should keep there mouths shut and worry about actual problems, which is the economy and fixing our crappy infustructure.

Media should do what there paid to do... and just ****** translate whatever the coach says to french, is it so hard....

It's a sad day to be a habs fan, not only to we have to deal with the fact that our team is playing like poo and our top guys like cammy are scared to go retrieve a puck in the corner. But we also have to deal with this " language non sense" no wonder some players dnt want to sign here.

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Let's be honest.. cutting down the pool of possible coaches because of language is only the desire of non-fans.

Any real fan of this hockey team wants what is best for it.

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Let's be honest.. cutting down the pool of possible coaches because of language is only the desire of non-fans.

Any real fan of this hockey team wants what is best for it.
In 100% agreement with this.

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Hypothetical.

Off season arrives. Goat walks the plank.

Habs approach Jim Nill to be the new GM. He is a guy near the top of many lists for GM in waiting. He has had years working under Ken Holland for what is recognized as one of, if the not the best run franchises in the NHL.

I would be very happy with this since it would mean the team is aiming for the best people. Alternatively you could go for someone who speaks French with a more modest pedigree (Roy's name has come up here, maybe find a top guy from the Q). I would submit that the vast majority of the GM work would be conducted in English (dealings with agents, players, other GMs) so language wouldn't matter.

So, I am curious. Who here would very strongly oppose hiring Jim Nill? Couldn't the team have a Franco/bilingual assistant to help out with the odd presser and explain to the RDS crew who this Gallagher kid was who just got called up?

And if you have a top bilingual/Franco candidate (Pat Brisson maybe?) then I'm all ears but if Nill was really the best guy available, is there anyone here really who wouldn't want him?

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Why is every one putting the onus on the organization?

Why is no one pointing the finger at the french journalists and saying: If you want to know what is going on with this team and in the NHL. Learn the language of it: English. If you can't, then fall behind to those who can and can translate it to french.

Why are we showing remorse for people too stubborn to better themselves for the sake of their profession?

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Pierre Page was on sportsnet radio today and he agrees that language shouldn't matter when selecting a coach. He went on to list numerous teams across Europe that employ coaches that do not speak the official language of the country their team is based in.

He also noted that coaching ability is the only thing that matters. I don't understand why you would care about anything else.
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Europe is composed of a alot of countries and different languages. Their reality is quite different than a small province surounded by a big english specking population (USA and Canada) ocean.

If you want to take a comparaison, in soccer FC Milan in Barcelona engages catalogne specking coaches - and they seem to have success at it! They are the best comparaison for Québec situation.

Making a racial discussion and bashing french canadian for the respect asked to their love for the only french canadian professionnel and national sport team is lacking of intellectuel integrity or is just being red neck stupid.

At equal talent Toronto will choose an ontarian player, and a coaching staff will tend to bring his own personal. English specking organisation will naturally be more interested to a local player if talent is equal.

The only place that can bring that kind of issue to french canadians is Montreal - for all these Michel Therrein, Claude Julien etc.. a place were a french canadian will have his chance. Guy Boucher was in Hamilton when TB came to get him. It's not just Québec, it's about french canadians issue.

Lacking to have respect for a fan base composed at 75% of french specking citizen and bashing them for expressing themselves, asking to be serve in their own language, and following some posts here bashing them as if we were racist, xénophobe, and all this crap is just proving me that alot of folks can not understand differences, and this kind of situation gives them permission to express all their hate for Quebecers and french canadian. That is easy for close minded and french speaking haters. It is also easy to disrecpect those that have difficulty to understand and/or have difficulty to well express themselves in a second language.

And for these Montrealers, born and living in the province of Québec, that barely or do not understand french, that just tells me how close minded people you are and whatever will happen, you will suit the interest of all the Quebec haters. I've learn to live with you, and do not careless about you. My post is for other people, more open minded, I express the fact that Montreal Canadian should have the respect of a huge part of their fan base and engage a bilingual coach, or a unilingual coach willing to respect our difference.

If the Nordiques were here, this WOULD not be an issue. Despite what happens on the ice, this is not negociable for alot of quebecers, and frankly I approuve this!

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I personally think it's a terrible way to coach. There's a reason your fourth-liners play on the fourth line, and "energy" isn't it.
I agree, especially if your fourth line constitute of Noke-Blunden-Darche.

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