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12-21-2011, 11:59 PM
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That goes without saying, but Gauthier and Co. sure as hell aren't the ones qualified to clean it up, Even if they're the hacks who caused it in the first place...
Then they need to get on with it. Fire PG and get the guy you want in there now so he can do his evaluations before the trade deadline.

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12-22-2011, 12:06 AM
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Then they need to get on with it. Fire PG and get the guy you want in there now so he can do his evaluations before the trade deadline.
We'll know what Molson is made of by the deadline.

If PG is still in place then I'll start to think that Molson-Coors crumbling share value has more to do with who's on the board than the weak economy.

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12-22-2011, 12:34 AM
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6. Sad but true for fans of the Canadiens -- both French and English -- that Randy Cunneyworth's hiring became a language debate. The honest truth is this: You can't win without the best people in place. You don't need to be French to understand the franchise's tradition and importance. You don't need to be French to want to get behind the bench and bring a Stanley Cup to the city, as did Dick Irvin Sr., Toe Blake and Scott Bowman. Incidentally, that trio coached 16 of Montreal's 24 championship teams.



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7. What Montreal fans should be worried about -- what's going on? "Pure panic" is how one Canadien described it. When you look at the moves this year (Perry Pearn, Tomas Kaberle and now Jacques Martin), it's hard not to jump to that conclusion. There's a real belief that someone above GM Pierre Gauthier made the Martin decision and players sense Gauthier is in trouble, too. Very difficult to win under those circumstances.


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9. The real wild card in Montreal is Patrick Roy. But he has to decide what he wants to do, if anything. (He has said he will not leave the QMJHL's Quebec Remparts during the season.) If Gauthier does go at some point, you will hear the name Julien Brisebois a lot. Now in Tampa, he was Hamilton's GM when the Bulldogs won the AHL's Calder Cup in 2007. One other name: Claude Loiselle. Keep hearing that Montreal COO Kevin Gilmore is a fan of Toronto's assistant GM

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12-22-2011, 12:59 AM
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Ask western Canadian boys like Jets captain Andrew Ladd about the Great Language Debate, and they all but shake their heads.

"Not being from there, it's difficult to understand where they're coming from," Ladd said. "Obviously, they want to keep their culture intact. But at the end of the day, from an outsider, if he's qualified and is going to make their team better, he should be the guy."

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12-22-2011, 02:52 AM
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7. What Montreal fans should be worried about -- what's going on? "Pure panic" is how one Canadien described it. When you look at the moves this year (Perry Pearn, Tomas Kaberle and now Jacques Martin), it's hard not to jump to that conclusion. There's a real belief that someone above GM Pierre Gauthier made the Martin decision and players sense Gauthier is in trouble, too. Very difficult to win under those circumstances.
This makes way too much sense. Martin's firing was extremely uncharacteristic of Gauthier, out of placed and ill timed. Whoever ordered it pretty much hit the reset button since this season will go into a complete tailspin.

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12-22-2011, 04:38 AM
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Except for the small matter of being a clown, he's perfect.

His bitter and mindless criticism of every move the Habs has made has done nothing to help his credibility. He also never liked a narrative he didn't mind and the Habs really need a very analytical GM.
I disagree, his criticisms were mostly valid, looking at this mess how can you conclude his criticisms were unwarranted.

Just about everything he has criticized was for good reason, I criticized most of those things as well.

Being a homer isn't a good trait for a NHL coach.

The injuries, I don't buy it. Markov was purchased as partially damaged goods, we chose to except the risk, his injury was foreseeable, it no longer counts as an excuse. Campoli is a 6/7th dman at best, who cares, spacek is a 5th or 6th man, to me they're not significant upgrades over diaz or yemelin. Gomez well, he wasn't producing anything anyway, he was more detrimental than a help prior to the injury. Scoreless in 50games, I don't miss him. These excuses are no longer any good.


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12-22-2011, 06:58 AM
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This makes way too much sense. Martin's firing was extremely uncharacteristic of Gauthier, out of placed and ill timed. Whoever ordered it pretty much hit the reset button since this season will go into a complete tailspin.
Exactly. And the person who made that decision needs to be removed from any decisional process on the team immediately before they can do any more damage.

Which means that if it is Molson, we're screwed. It could be a very long ten-plus years if we have an interventionist owner who knee-jerks.

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12-22-2011, 07:13 AM
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What I find ridiculous is PG gets blamed for everything, if anything he started with his hands tied the first year he had the job. With Hamrlik, Gomez, Spacek, Gionta, Cammy all signed before he arrived. Even this past summer he had a bit of flexibility but in reality there was nobody out there who could have filled Markov's shoes.

At this point the smartest move they can make is go with the players they have until mid/late January. At that point you are either a playoff team or you look to move some veterans, at no point should young players or top picks be moved for immediate help.

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12-22-2011, 07:46 AM
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What I find ridiculous is PG gets blamed for everything, if anything he started with his hands tied the first year he had the job. With Hamrlik, Gomez, Spacek, Gionta, Cammy all signed before he arrived.

At this point the smartest move they can make is go with the players they have until mid/late January. At that point you are either a playoff team or you look to move some veterans, at no point should young players or top picks be moved for immediate help.
He was in position to avoid this.

Didn't.

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12-22-2011, 07:47 AM
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How exactly the Habs a better team at this point?

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12-22-2011, 08:11 AM
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I was very lukewarm towards Pierre McGwire. But whatever shortcomings he has, he has a wealth of hockey knowledge and there's no clear non-starters to his candidacy, I think he deserves an honest shot with all the other serious candidates if the GM position ever opens.

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12-22-2011, 08:14 AM
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How's that coaching change working out eh?

What I believe should have happened last week instead...

Molson should have come out publicly and put ALL on notice...players, coaches, manangement that they had the rest of the season to get to together and that ALL phases would be re-evaluated after the season.

In addition, another coach should have been brought in to specifically work with the powerplay.

That was the jolt the team needed. Someone threw out an interesting stat that the Habs were actually a better 5 on 5 team then the Hawks going into the game. And the Habs don't have Toews, Kane, Sharp, Hossa, Seabrook and Keith to throw out there.

Instead the head coach was fired which sent a panic message through the organization plus illuminated the language debate.

To look over behind the Devils bench and see Larry Robinson and Adam Oates there has to give players confidence. If they spoke I know I would be listening.

It's still up to Molson now and his choice of management going forward.
I gotta believe he will have alot to think about over the holidays.

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12-22-2011, 08:23 AM
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How's that coaching change working out eh?

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Staying the course with JM was worse than what we have right now... Mediocrity. Stagnation. Not addressing the serious underlying issues. Bringing high-paid veterans so the Habs can officially claim they gave it their all after they miss the playoffs... More mediocrity, stagnation, trending downward year after year...

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12-22-2011, 08:25 AM
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Exactly. And the person who made that decision needs to be removed from any decisional process on the team immediately before they can do any more damage.

Which means that if it is Molson, we're screwed. It could be a very long ten-plus years if we have an interventionist owner who knee-jerks.
The Martin firing was long overdue. As a matter of fact, had it been done sooner, we wouldn't be having this discussion. In other words, it may appear like a panic move but it's really a move made too late.

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12-22-2011, 08:26 AM
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12-22-2011, 08:31 AM
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You know in life , unexplainingly there's always people you just can't stand the minute you see them , and that's Pierre Gauthier for me.

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12-22-2011, 08:35 AM
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The Martin firing was long overdue. As a matter of fact, had it been done sooner, we wouldn't be having this discussion. In other words, it may appear like a panic move but it's really a move made too late.
Jacques Martin had completed the Florida-Pantherization of the Montreal Canadiens. We were a finely oiled 10th place team that was able to successfully lose 2-1 against any team in the NHL (Black Hawks or Blue Jackets).

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