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12-22-2011, 02:00 PM
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John Kordic, one of my all time favourites (no sarcasm)

Also, Lucien Deblois wore #27.

Remember him???
Indeed. Wasn't there a list somewhere of all Leafs by number? I seem to remember either a thread or article rating the best Leafs all time by jersey number?

Here we go!! Didn't check how up to date (Oh and it was Miro Ihnacek):

http://www.tmlfever.com/alltimesweaternumbers.html

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Give Dupuis #99 and hope he succeeds
If it wasn't retired then maybe.

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While I'm glad you got this part (most don't) you overlooked the part where they all spent time dominating lesser leagues BEFORE they even got their 3rd line chance (in my world 3rd line would largely be used as a developmental line). Anyhoo, have a look:

Jeff Carter #11 overall

19 years - Returned to junior
20 years - Returned to junior + some AHL
21 years - NHL lower lines

Mike Richards #24 overall

19 years - Returned to junior
20 years - Returned to junior + some AHL
21 years - NHL lower lines

Claude Giroux #22 overall

19 years - Returned to junior
20 years - Returned to junior
21 years - AHL + NHL

James Van Riemsdyk #2 overall

18 years - Returned to college
19 years - Returned to college
20 years - NHL

Henrik Zetterberg #210 overall

20 years - Returned to SEL
21 years - Returned to SEL
22 years - NHL

Pavel Datsyuk #171 overall

19 years - Returned to Russia
20 years - Returned to Russia
21 years - Returned to Russia
22 years - Returned to Russia
23 years - NHL

Jiri Hudler #58 overall

19 years - Returned to Czech
20 years - Returned to AHL
21 years - Returned to AHL
22 years - Returned to AHL
23 years - NHL

There are many more examples but suffice to say, given Kadri's performance at every level and the fact he just recently turned 21, he is EXACTLY on schedule with where he should be and his organization is treating him EXACTLY the same as organizations who are successful at developing high end forwards treat their forwards.

In short, nothing to see here. My personal hope would be to see a line of guys like Colborne, Kadri and Frattin developing on the 3rd (though Bozak needs a spot too).
Great post!

It needs to be quoted often in this thread to show all the Burke/Wilson haters that they aren't out to screw Kadri. They are developing him.

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12-22-2011, 02:24 PM
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my exact reaction to this article:

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Wait, I thought we left #13 open cause our 1C will come back from retirement.

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12-22-2011, 03:27 PM
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Wait, I thought we left #13 open cause our 1C will come back from retirement.
Player/Coach?!?

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Leafs haven't retired numbers. I don't see why #13 (I know I know), or others should be prohibited. They should be able to wear any number they want, it's not like Kadri is replacing his name with "sundin."
The Leafs have only retired numbers 5 (Bill Barilko) and 6 (Ace Bailey).
You are 98% correct, which is pretty good.

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12-22-2011, 03:31 PM
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You know you're passed your best before date when your thesis involves giving a guy a number. WOW, you get paid for this stuff too!!

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While I'm glad you got this part (most don't) you overlooked the part where they all spent time dominating lesser leagues BEFORE they even got their 3rd line chance (in my world 3rd line would largely be used as a developmental line). Anyhoo, have a look:

Jeff Carter #11 overall

19 years - Returned to junior
20 years - Returned to junior + some AHL
21 years - NHL lower lines

<..snip..>

There are many more examples but suffice to say, given Kadri's performance at every level and the fact he just recently turned 21, he is EXACTLY on schedule with where he should be and his organization is treating him EXACTLY the same as organizations who are successful at developing high end forwards treat their forwards.

In short, nothing to see here. My personal hope would be to see a line of guys like Colborne, Kadri and Frattin developing on the 3rd (though Bozak needs a spot too).
Finally somebody said it!

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12-22-2011, 03:58 PM
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It's a number on the back of a jersey. Why do people care so much?

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I dont think Kadri should wear 13 for the Leafs, but I think Cox brings up a good point about the Leafs not retiring numbers. The fact that recent guys have been able to wear #21 or #14 is ridiculous.

So I think it speaks to a larger issue that the Leafs should come up with a better way to respect players of the past and actually retire players who are icons to the club.

The fact that its okay for someone else to come in and wear #13, makes me think if Kadri wants the number, he should get it. If on the other hand everyone feels that nobody should ever wear that number again, then the organization should make it official and actually retire all the numbers in the rafters not just honour them.

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12-22-2011, 03:59 PM
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I would give him the C too, just to really tell him he belongs. Maybe even retire his jersey before tonight's puck drop?

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12-22-2011, 04:02 PM
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I dont think Kadri should wear 13 for the Leafs, but I think Cox brings up a good point about the Leafs not retiring numbers. The fact that recent guys have been able to wear #21 or #14 is ridiculous.

So I think it speaks to a larger issue that the Leafs should come up with a better way to respect players of the past and actually retire players who are icons to the club.

The fact that its okay for someone else to come in and wear #13, makes me think if Kadri wants the number, he should get it. If on the other hand everyone feels that nobody should ever wear that number again, then the organization should make it official and actually retire all the numbers in the rafters not just honour them.
I'd say ask the players. If it was my number, I'd care less if someone else wore it. In most cases, odds are it's because they respect you that they want to wear it.

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12-22-2011, 04:11 PM
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It's only a number. Why not this one--- 3.14159265 I am sure no one else has it!

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How do you guys feel about........ the fact that Kadri has enjoyed success in the AHL since Dallas Eakins put him back in his natural position, centre?

And tonight, Wilson has him playing right wing with Connolly down the middle and MacA on the left.

Tough to make Connolly play wing for Kadri, but probably would've been going through Wilson's mind as a possible option.

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How do you guys feel about........ the fact that Kadri has enjoyed success in the AHL since Dallas Eakins put him back in his natural position, centre?

And tonight, Wilson has him playing right wing with Connolly down the middle and MacA on the left.

Tough to make Connolly play wing for Kadri, but probably would've been going through Wilson's mind as a possible option.
I'm sure Kadri would try out defense if the team asked him to. It's not an ideal situation, but still gives him a look in an offensive role.

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12-22-2011, 04:57 PM
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How do you guys feel about........ the fact that Kadri has enjoyed success in the AHL since Dallas Eakins put him back in his natural position, centre?

And tonight, Wilson has him playing right wing with Connolly down the middle and MacA on the left.

Tough to make Connolly play wing for Kadri, but probably would've been going through Wilson's mind as a possible option.
I bet Wilson didn't spend one second considering Connolly on the wing, are you for real?

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I bet Wilson didn't spend one second considering Connolly on the wing, are you for real?
but its working well in my NHL 12 season

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but its working well in my NHL 12 season
Oh okay then, my bad

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While I'm glad you got this part (most don't) you overlooked the part where they all spent time dominating lesser leagues BEFORE they even got their 3rd line chance (in my world 3rd line would largely be used as a developmental line). Anyhoo, have a look:

Jeff Carter #11 overall

19 years - Returned to junior
20 years - Returned to junior + some AHL
21 years - NHL lower lines

Mike Richards #24 overall

19 years - Returned to junior
20 years - Returned to junior + some AHL
21 years - NHL lower lines

Claude Giroux #22 overall

19 years - Returned to junior
20 years - Returned to junior
21 years - AHL + NHL

James Van Riemsdyk #2 overall

18 years - Returned to college
19 years - Returned to college
20 years - NHL

Henrik Zetterberg #210 overall

20 years - Returned to SEL
21 years - Returned to SEL
22 years - NHL

Pavel Datsyuk #171 overall

19 years - Returned to Russia
20 years - Returned to Russia
21 years - Returned to Russia
22 years - Returned to Russia
23 years - NHL

Jiri Hudler #58 overall

19 years - Returned to Czech
20 years - Returned to AHL
21 years - Returned to AHL
22 years - Returned to AHL
23 years - NHL

There are many more examples but suffice to say, given Kadri's performance at every level and the fact he just recently turned 21, he is EXACTLY on schedule with where he should be and his organization is treating him EXACTLY the same as organizations who are successful at developing high end forwards treat their forwards.

In short, nothing to see here. My personal hope would be to see a line of guys like Colborne, Kadri and Frattin developing on the 3rd (though Bozak needs a spot too).
Some Leafs fans need a break, after all developing top line players properly is a new concept, they need time to adjust.

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Yeah true, hopefully it doesn't screw him up... it's definitely somewhat of an obstacle.

I agree about honouring numbers being not the way to go. I'd like to see numbers only retired, and only for those players who are super deserving.

I've only been watching the Leafs since the mid 90's and the only player who I think should have his number retired is Mats Sundin.

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12-22-2011, 05:13 PM
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Why not let Kadri have 91 then?

He clearly has a soft spot for the no 9: 19 in Kitch, 91 in London, 9 at the WJC.

Its only since he turned pro that hes been wearing 43 and 13

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Why not let Kadri have 91 then?

He clearly has a soft spot for the no 9: 19 in Kitch, 91 in London, 9 at the WJC.

Its only since he turned pro that hes been wearing 43 and 13
Its already been said but its policy for all rookies to be given numbers for their first year (kind of a way to tell them they have to earn their number and earn more time on the team) after that they can choose Im pretty sure. Kadri tweeted that hes decide to stick with 43, I like 91 too but 43 is rare and original and I respect that Kadri wants to create his own image. Kulie, Bozak and a few others have also stuck with their given numbers I believe.

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my exact reaction to this article:

I like Kadri a lot but this sums it up for me too. He can make his own number famous. Number 43.

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im not even going to read this...jst an complete idiot.

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