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12-08-2005, 06:06 PM
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Okay, that's cool.

I have no idea who Howard is. Guess we're even about the whole "Razor" thing

I guess that happens. Best of luck to Howard...Then and there it isn't all that hard to play goal for the Wings. I'm sure he'll be raking in the hardware soon.

I guess it's best to wait till the deadline to hook a fish on Razor and Muzz (Murray) anyways. Someone's taking Zhamnov for one or both of those guys, that's all I know!
sorry for being a ******* kinda in my statements, trying to do a few things at once and when im agrivated as it is, it doesnt make my posting any better...

anyway... howard is our 3rd string u could say goalie, 21 yrs old, fresh out of U of Maine... great goalie, simular if not better IMHO potential then rayzor, but time will only tell really...

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12-08-2005, 06:15 PM
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Not at all.

I should do more research before wasting you time over here when you already have a top prospect in net, and a couple of capable goalies for the next little while.

Just think Holmstrom would make a nice Bruin.

My kinda player. Make another nice addition for the future style of this club, similar to the Sturm move.

Heard some rumblings about Pavel?

Datsuyk and Samsonov. Certainly interesting.

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12-08-2005, 06:16 PM
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Not at all.

I should do more research before wasting you time over here when you already have a top prospect in net, and a couple of capable goalies for the next little while.

Just think Holmstrom would make a nice Bruin.

My kinda player. Make another nice addition for the future style of this club, similar to the Sturm move.

Heard some rumblings about Pavel?

Datsuyk and Samsonov. Certainly interesting.

naw, we probably need dats more then we need sammy...

yea homer would make a team anything really, hes one of those gritty guys.

I wouldnt mind axelsson right now, tho heres to hoping his brother is 3/4 as good as him!

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12-08-2005, 06:25 PM
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naw, we probably need dats more then we need sammy...

yea homer would make a team anything really, hes one of those gritty guys.

I wouldnt mind axelsson right now, tho heres to hoping his brother is 3/4 as good as him!
Yeah, I was thinking Pavel and Sammy on line one in Btown. So maybe a better question for me to ask, is what is needed over in DET?

I was looking on hockeysfuture and saw PJ's bro there...Nice. It's funny, I've always thought PJ would make a great wing in the mold of Draper and Maltby. Some Bruins fans would part with PJ, but he's one of the few D responsible players that can be counted on over here.

I'm sure quality runs in the family.

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12-08-2005, 09:31 PM
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No. Murray is a more expensive Lang except he plays on the wings. Not to mention the extra two years on his contract.

Yeah. Murray isn't really a power forward anyway.

Anyone we get in a trade for Lang has to be a bit cheaper.

And really, I'd like Lang to be a winger on Z's line anyway. He's got a great shot and he wouldn't have to worry about defense so much.

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12-08-2005, 09:35 PM
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But I thought Zetterberg and Datsyuk played together...oh well.

If Zetterberg is a center, wouldn't that make Lang all the more expendable? Yzerman can still play center as well...

Who would you want in return for Lang if not Murray? Just out of curiousity.
Samsonov?
Is he fast? Or superfast?
I'd rather have a powerforward.

But I'd take a SUPERfast winger with skills.

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Murray is more of what we need tho. So in order for this to work, they gotta take mowers or rivers from us... perferably mowers..
Trading Mowers doesn';t really help us, because we'd just have to replace him with someone who makes his salary.

We need to trade someone making $300,000 over the minimum to make up for the extra money we take on with Murray.

So it looks like Homer would go.

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12-09-2005, 07:50 AM
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Pass on Raycroft, the Wings have a younger, cheaper, more promising goalie of the future in Jim Howard.

I would also pass on Murray, I've read that he's played poorly this year and he's got another 3 years and 12 mil left on his deal. Also, I've read that Boston fans and many experts consider him to be a big guy that plays very soft.

If we're making a trade for a softy, I'd rather have Samsonov. I saw this guy play with the Vipers about 10 years ago and I've always liked him. The Wings could use blueline help too, so how about this:

Lang-Holmstrom-Hudler
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Samsonov-Boynton-2nd rounder

Boston is never going to re-sign Samsonov, Boynton had the contract dispute and he's not long for Boston either, and this would net them a quality center, a good PP specialist and a good young player in Hudler. It would be a lot of salary for Boston to eat, which is why it would never happen. From the Wings' perspective, they wouldn't have to worry so much about Fischer or Kronwall making it back this year, and Samsonov would add more speed and sniping to the Wings' offense, which would look like this-

Samsonov-Zetterberg-Williams
Shanahan-Datsyuk-Samuelsson
Cleary-Filppula-Franzen
Maltby-Draper-Mowers

Lidstrom-Lilja
Schneider-Boynton
Chelios-Lebda

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12-09-2005, 08:11 AM
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Pass on Raycroft, the Wings have a younger, cheaper, more promising goalie of the future in Jim Howard.

I would also pass on Murray, I've read that he's played poorly this year and he's got another 3 years and 12 mil left on his deal. Also, I've read that Boston fans and many experts consider him to be a big guy that plays very soft.

If we're making a trade for a softy, I'd rather have Samsonov. I saw this guy play with the Vipers about 10 years ago and I've always liked him. The Wings could use blueline help too, so how about this:

Lang-Holmstrom-Hudler
for
Samsonov-Boynton-2nd rounder

Boston is never going to re-sign Samsonov, Boynton had the contract dispute and he's not long for Boston either, and this would net them a quality center, a good PP specialist and a good young player in Hudler. It would be a lot of salary for Boston to eat, which is why it would never happen. From the Wings' perspective, they wouldn't have to worry so much about Fischer or Kronwall making it back this year, and Samsonov would add more speed and sniping to the Wings' offense, which would look like this-

Samsonov-Zetterberg-Williams
Shanahan-Datsyuk-Samuelsson
Cleary-Filppula-Franzen
Maltby-Draper-Mowers

Lidstrom-Lilja
Schneider-Boynton
Chelios-Lebda

I can live with that!

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Well, I wouldn't pass on Murray so easily. Sure the contract is a concern. But this guy can definately score some goals! Would be a nice fit to Pavel in my eyes.

It would - gettin on the original proposal - pretty much depend on the prospect/pick.

If it would be a Lang+maybe a low pick like 4th or 5th rounder for Murray and Lashoff I'd do it in a heartbeat! Or Lang for Murray+2nd I'd probably do it after some consideration. I wouldn't mind giving Huds or Filps a chance down the middle.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Lang, but to my mind age is becoming more and more of a concern. We have many old guys who will decrease within the next season or two. So it would definately help to downgrade by two years...

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Pass on Raycroft, the Wings have a younger, cheaper, more promising goalie of the future in Jim Howard.

I would also pass on Murray, I've read that he's played poorly this year and he's got another 3 years and 12 mil left on his deal. Also, I've read that Boston fans and many experts consider him to be a big guy that plays very soft.

If we're making a trade for a softy, I'd rather have Samsonov. I saw this guy play with the Vipers about 10 years ago and I've always liked him. The Wings could use blueline help too, so how about this:

Lang-Holmstrom-Hudler
for
Samsonov-Boynton-2nd rounder

Boston is never going to re-sign Samsonov, Boynton had the contract dispute and he's not long for Boston either, and this would net them a quality center, a good PP specialist and a good young player in Hudler. It would be a lot of salary for Boston to eat, which is why it would never happen. From the Wings' perspective, they wouldn't have to worry so much about Fischer or Kronwall making it back this year, and Samsonov would add more speed and sniping to the Wings' offense, which would look like this-

Samsonov-Zetterberg-Williams
Shanahan-Datsyuk-Samuelsson
Cleary-Filppula-Franzen
Maltby-Draper-Mowers

Lidstrom-Lilja
Schneider-Boynton
Chelios-Lebda
That, unfortunately, wouldn't happen for cap reasons firstly, and for the love Samsonov second.

If Samsonov is in the deal, I would hope MOC holds out for Zetterberg, or Datsyuk (but thats unlikely).

would you settle for:

Lang, Holmstrom, Hudler, and Mowers

for

Murray, Boynton and a 2nd?

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12-09-2005, 11:23 AM
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That, unfortunately, wouldn't happen for cap reasons firstly, and for the love Samsonov second.

If Samsonov is in the deal, I would hope MOC holds out for Zetterberg, or Datsyuk (but thats unlikely).

would you settle for:

Lang, Holmstrom, Hudler, and Mowers

for

Murray, Boynton and a 2nd?
If it's Murray and not Samsonov I would try to swap the 2nd rounder with a 1st rounder, or add a D prospect like Lashoff and switch the pick to a 3rd or 4th.

edit-I'm not going to ask about Bergeron because, like Zetterberg and Datsyuk, I don't think he's going anywhere no matter what.

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12-09-2005, 11:27 AM
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If it's Murray and not Samsonov I would try to swap the 2nd rounder with a 1st rounder, or add a D prospect like Lashoff and switch the pick to a 3rd or 4th.

edit-I'm not going to ask about Bergeron because, like Zetterberg and Datsyuk, I don't think he's going anywhere no matter what.
you are absolutely correct.

But if you want Lashoff, who is a pretty good prospect, there would need to a prospect coming from Detroit or a good young player.

Don't know much about Hudler...but he could be it?

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you are absolutely correct.

But if you want Lashoff, who is a pretty good prospect, there would need to a prospect coming from Detroit or a good young player.

Don't know much about Hudler...but he could be it?
He was leading the AHL in points before being called up last weekend. He's 21, spunky but very small - 5'8 at best.

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He was leading the AHL in points before being called up last weekend. He's 21, spunky but very small - 5'8 at best.
imagine him with Samsonov (insert drool icon)

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That, unfortunately, wouldn't happen for cap reasons firstly, and for the love Samsonov second.

If Samsonov is in the deal, I would hope MOC holds out for Zetterberg, or Datsyuk (but thats unlikely).

would you settle for:

Lang, Holmstrom, Hudler, and Mowers

for

Murray, Boynton and a 2nd?
How about:

well take out holmstrom, you keep the 2nd, and well add a 3rd in 2007

Lang, Hudler, Mowers, 3rd

for

Murray, Boynton

Then again, Boyes is there proto-hudler, so i dont think boston would have much use for huds...

I would like this tho for us indeed....

Lidstrom - Kronwall
Schneider - Boynton
Chelios - Woolley (fischer hopefully next year with woolley)

forwards:

Shanahan - Datsyuk - Filppula
Williams - Zetterberg - Murray
Maltby - Draper - Holmstrom
Samuelsson - Franzen - Cleary / Yzerman

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