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unless the new CBA changes the current rules, there are no incentives available after the ELC (except for certain veterns who were injured).
I wouldnt offer more then 2.5 - 3m on a short term as I would want the player to prove themselves over a longer period before giving them superstar money.
I wouldnt rank EK in the top 20 of dmen to carry a team to the SCF and therefore would consider a GM insane to pay him the type of money mentioned in this thread.
He is not a 70 point player as some have suggested and has never had more than 45 in a season. Sure he might this season, but the NHL is full of guys who have started out like this and burned out.
ek runs ottawa.. from the breakout to the offensive zone... not to mention he's already played big minutes in the playoffs and excelled.
Erik karlsson has something like 77 points in his last 82 games
If he keeps going the way he is and stays healthy, $6M might be the minimum. He controls the game like very few players can and isn't horrible defensively as most posters keep spewing. His D is above average, the majority of his gaffes are the result of always trying to make an offensive opportunity happen. And there's no doubt that will diminish as he learns when not to take the chance.
He's 21. There hasn't been a defenseman this offensively dominant at that age since Brian Leetch. That's going to cost lots of $. He also puts fans in the seats so you have to pay a premium on that as well.
There is a difference between handing out 10 year contracts, or 8.5 million dollar deals, and the one we expect Karlsson to get.
6 x 6 or 6 x 5.5 would be around what I would expect, no 15 year deal or 8 million dollar contract. There are many of those deals in the NHL that are working.
how many are working that are for players on their 2nd contract?
i wouldnt pay any 2nd contract players 6 x 6 or similar. lucky for all you EK fans, I am not the OTT GM but I think the risk of him busting on that contract is greater then the risk of him fulfilling it and i wouldnt even give it a 2nd thought if thats what he was asking for.
not the pedigree of player to build a team around.
as an example, JM Liles had a very similar PPG in his first three seasons, pretty sure he didnt sign a franchise contract either.
If he keeps going the way he is and stays healthy, $6M might be the minimum. He controls the game like very few players can and isn't horrible defensively as most posters keep spewing. His D is above average, the majority of his gaffes are the result of always trying to make an offensive opportunity happen. And there's no doubt that will diminish as he learns when not to take the chance.
He's 21. There hasn't been a defenseman this offensively dominant at that age since Brian Leetch. That's going to cost lots of $. He also puts fans in the seats so you have to pay a premium on that as well.
Not quite yet. Maybe if he only played 18 mins a game. As a 25+ min a night DMan, his defensive game is below average. Eventually, he will probably be a bit above average defensively.
Not quite yet. Maybe if he only played 18 mins a game. As a 25+ min a night DMan, his defensive game is below average. Eventually, he will probably be a bit above average defensively.
I really don't get this mentality that he is incapable of playing defense. It's almost like to be above average, you need to be on Chara or Pronger's level in your own zone. His stick work, intelligence, determination, and ability to get the puck out of the defensive zone are all excellent. Niedermayer and Keith are not guys you counted on to clear the front of the net, it was Stevens and Seabrook.
Karlsson is not below average on D. Most people think that because he coughs up the puck trying to create offense, he can't play defense. It's getting old hearing that - might as well say that the Sens are soft too because you remember the team they were 10 years ago.
Nevertheless, he'll be getting big bucks. Won't matter what his D is like.
I really don't get this mentality that he is incapable of playing defense. It's almost like to be above average, you need to be on Chara or Pronger's level in your own zone. His stick work, intelligence, determination, and ability to get the puck out of the defensive zone are all excellent. Niedermayer and Keith are not guys you counted on to clear the front of the net, it was Stevens and Seabrook.
Karlsson is not below average on D. Most people think that because he coughs up the puck trying to create offense, he can't play defense. It's getting old hearing that - might as well say that the Sens are soft too because you remember the team they were 10 years ago.
Nevertheless, he'll be getting big bucks. Won't matter what his D is like.
I really don't get this mentality that he is incapable of playing defense. It's almost like to be above average, you need to be on Chara or Pronger's level in your own zone. His stick work, intelligence, determination, and ability to get the puck out of the defensive zone are all excellent. Niedermayer and Keith are not guys you counted on to clear the front of the net, it was Stevens and Seabrook.
Karlsson is not below average on D. Most people think that because he coughs up the puck trying to create offense, he can't play defense. It's getting old hearing that - might as well say that the Sens are soft too because you remember the team they were 10 years ago.
Nevertheless, he'll be getting big bucks. Won't matter what his D is like.
Hey I love Karlsson, I'm not being critical of him at all... I'm just saying he can still get beaten wide and isnt as good behind the net and along the boards as most DMen playing his minutes. What I was trying to say, and what I probably didn't get across too well, is that for top 3/4 DMen, his D is slightly below average. Yes, of the 180 regular DMen he's probably between 80th-100th defensively, but when you take bottom pairing DMen out of the equation he's not quite average yet.
I also hate the argument that his turnovers make him bad defensively- he still turns the puck over a bit more than most in his own zone, but 95% of his gaffes come in the offensive zone. I watch Karlsson every night, and am not just relying on stereotypes as you seem to imply. I also don't expect him to be a net clearing beast, as thats simply not his game nor his build. I do want him to get better in the areas that I mentioned though. Maybe you think he's the 75th best guy defensively and I think he's 90th... point is theres not much difference between what the two of us are saying, merely that I think he's a short step (basically proving his consistency) away from being deemed above average defensively in my books.
how many are working that are for players on their 2nd contract?
i wouldnt pay any 2nd contract players 6 x 6 or similar. lucky for all you EK fans, I am not the OTT GM but I think the risk of him busting on that contract is greater then the risk of him fulfilling it and i wouldnt even give it a 2nd thought if thats what he was asking for.
not the pedigree of player to build a team around.
as an example, JM Liles had a very similar PPG in his first three seasons, pretty sure he didnt sign a franchise contract either.
He had a very similar first two seasons, while Karlsson has been on another level in his third, and the only thing similar was the point totals.
JML was also 24 in his first season, while Karlsson is 21 during his third.
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The Sens are ok but not really considered stack in offensive talent; the only ones are Spezza,Michalek and Alfredsson when he's feeling 100%. If we happen to improve our top 6 and powerplay I think in the next 3 years he will see a 90 pts + season from EK.
I want him to sign either a two year contract or a 15 year one. Anywhere between 5.5M to 6.5 if it's long term.
He is in my mind the most important offensive player with the Sens at the moment.
Jared Cowen will be the most important Sens' player in a couple years.
The Sens are ok but not really considered stack in offensive talent; the only ones are Spezza,Michalek and Alfredsson when he's feeling 100%. If we happen to improve our top 6 and powerplay I think in the next 3 years he will see a 90 pts + season from EK.
I want him to sign either a two year contract or a 15 year one. Anywhere between 5.5M to 6.5 if it's long term.
He is in my mind the most important offensive player with the Sens at the moment.
Jared Cowen will be the most important Sens' player in a couple years.
I really love Karlsson but I doubt he'll hit 90pts , heck I dont even know if Spezza will hit it again, it's a very high total for a player, let alone for a defender... feel free to remind me one day if it happens!!
