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When Marc Staal comes back, can McD or MDZ play the right side?

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12-22-2011, 08:34 PM
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When Marc Staal comes back, can McD or MDZ play the right side?

When Marc Staal comes back, he will be the first LD on the team and be paired with Girardi. Can either of McD or MDZ play the right side so they can be paired up?

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I would prefer McD to do it. As the steadier player, I'd prefer to have him move and let MDZ continue playing great.

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I would prefer McD to do it. As the steadier player, I'd prefer to have him move and let MDZ continue playing great.
Yeah I feel like McD would be able to make the transition more easily. The last thing we need is MDZ getting off track like he did last year.

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isnt ever flyer dman a left hander player? shouldnt be too big a deal for a good player to switch sides.

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I'd move McD first. Dizzy looks too comfortable on the left side to move him.

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Girardi-McDonagh
Del Zotto-Sauer
Staal-Stralman

20 mins each??? lol

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12-22-2011, 08:52 PM
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Girardi-McDonagh
Del Zotto-Sauer
Staal-Stralman

20 mins each??? lol

I just had a seizure at the most defensively lopsided pairing ever.

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Girardi-McDonagh
Del Zotto-Sauer
Staal-Stralman
20 mins each??? lol
Oh please not him. Stralman scares the crap out of me.

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Oh please not him. Stralman scares the crap out of me.
lol he did well 2nite and has stepped it up since all the D injuries occured........top 4 minutes

I dont see a problem with having 3 good pairs. DZ is playing fantastic but he will get his time on the PP as well

Just go with Staal , Girardi, McDonaugh, Sauer, Del Zotto, Eminger/Stralman

I don't see the need for a Dman when healthy and so far so good with the troops subbing in

Rather spend cap space on a rental LW at the deadline

no need to do anything when the team is winning and challenging for top spot

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Neither.

MDZ will end up on the third pairing, which is FINE.

IF and when Sauer comes back that will leave us with a complete top 6.

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I think either way we have to split up Staal and Girardi. Girardi has really proven himself and there's no sense having two bonafide shutdown number 1's on the same pair when we can spread the wealth.

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I don't see why Staal can't move if need be. Whenever he was matched up against Ovie or other top LW's he would shift to the right side

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Staal - Girardi
MCD - Sauer
MDZ - Eminger

If anything now you can afford to play Staal and Girardi fewer minutes with the improvement of MDZ and MCD. this is a GOOD thing. Guys get burnt out playing 25-30 minutes a night.

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12-23-2011, 01:54 AM
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I think Staal starts on 3rd pairing to get conditioned. He can't step right in & take 27min can he?

I think it would be nice to see this lineup
Staal Sauer
McD Girardi
MDZ Ugly

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12-23-2011, 08:22 AM
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U guys seem to forget that Sauer aint back any time soon. Staal will likely be back mid January. I think we'll see:

McD-Girardi
DZ-Staal
Bickel/Stralman-Erixon/Stralman

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I'm not sold on putting Staal, with pretty much no game preperation, on the top pairing with Girardi.

In fact I'm not sure that he should be played on the top 4 for a few weeks.

McD - Girardi is working fine.

Additionally, I think it's time (when he's ready for it) we put Staal in his rightful place of a #2 defenceman. With the way that Del Zotto is playing, I'm thinking we give him that stay at home defensive partner that will allow his game to grow.

Del Zotto - Staal
McDonagh - Girardi
Erizon/Bickell/Sauer/Eminger/Woywitka

I like Staal, but he's no No 1 Defenceman and I think we need to take advantage of what he is and pair him up with the proper defenceman. Girardi is not the guy.

Spread the wealth. Best avenue to success

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I think Staal starts on 3rd pairing to get conditioned. He can't step right in & take 27min can he?

I think it would be nice to see this lineup
Staal Sauer
McD Girardi
MDZ Ugly
I guess ur vote is for a rental Dman brought in

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I'm not sold on putting Staal, with pretty much no game preperation, on the top pairing with Girardi.

In fact I'm not sure that he should be played on the top 4 for a few weeks.

McD - Girardi is working fine.

Additionally, I think it's time (when he's ready for it) we put Staal in his rightful place of a #2 defenceman. With the way that Del Zotto is playing, I'm thinking we give him that stay at home defensive partner that will allow his game to grow.

Del Zotto - Staal
McDonagh - Girardi
Erizon/Bickell/Sauer/Eminger/Woywitka

I like Staal, but he's no No 1 Defenceman and I think we need to take advantage of what he is and pair him up with the proper defenceman. Girardi is not the guy.

Spread the wealth. Best avenue to success
Miss a season after being FAR AND AWAY your teams best d-man over the course of your career and you're not a number 1 anymore.

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12-23-2011, 08:34 AM
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Miss a season after being FAR AND AWAY your teams best d-man over the course of your career and you're not a number 1 anymore.
Yea I'm confused as well. I can understand not being ready yet for top pair minutes due to his PCS, but to say Staal isn't a #1 D-man, that's just crazy talk.

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Miss a season after being FAR AND AWAY your teams best d-man over the course of your career and you're not a number 1 anymore.
we're all spoiled with the way Girardi McD and MDZ have played...Staal is better than all of them which is going to give us one hell of a defense when he comes back.

Personally I'm in favor of

McD/Girardi
MDZ/Staal
Erixon/Sauer

Putting Staal with MDZ seems brilliant and can only help his development. Plus Staal has to get back inoto game shape anyway might as well have him transition over..he's good enough to play anywhere.

Another benefit to this - MDZ can be free to play an offensive game...last night there was that shift where he was behind the Islander net and really was part of the offense...was great to see those instincts take over and for him to have the confidence to let that happen. Reminded me of Leetch on that shift.

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Oh please not him. Stralman scares the crap out of me.
What are you talking about? He had a shaky first game but has been very solid since. There is a reason Torts trusts him.

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Miss a season after being FAR AND AWAY your teams best d-man over the course of your career and you're not a number 1 anymore.
Has nothing to do with being out.

I just never viewed him as a #1 defenceman.

He's played that role by default, but I do not believe he has the requisite offensive skills to be a legit #1 defenceman.

He's a glorified #2 defenceman here in NY simply because of our lack of a true #1.

If what we are seeing from Del Zotto is not a fluke, and he does maintain a solid defensive posture and continues to put up the offensive numbers he is putting up, I would prefer him at the #1 spot and have Staal supporting him as our #2 (exactly where he belongs).

This is not meant as a knock on Staal. He's an incredible talent in his own right, just not rounded enough for me to consider him a legit #1 guy.

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Marc Staal is 100% a #1 defenseman. He had 29 points last season, playing half of it with a concussion, matching up against the other teams best players every night. He may not be flashy, like Subban, but if I had a choice of MDZ or Staal, I would choose Staal 100x out of 100.

They are DEFENSEmen.

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yeah a 24 year old all-star who is widely regarded as one of the best shutdown defensemen in hockey isn't a true #1

a #1 defenseman doesn't have to have the offensive threat. defense is defense. every team in the league would kill for marc staal and there's only a handful of guys who anyone would possibly pick over him. there's a reason that guys like ovechkin and crosby have had limited success against the rangers compared to other teams (hint: his name's marc staal)

i think while you don't want to rush staal into big minutes, after he's conditioned you have to match him with girardi. give mcdonagh the rest, drop him down to the second line. he's still essentially a rookie (he played what, 40 games last year?) and he's being treated like a 6 year veteran.

staal // girardi
mcdonagh // sauer
del zotto // eminger/woywitka/stralman/erixon

mcdonagh will get a break by dropping to the second pairing, and girardi will get a break because when the defense is healthy they can actually play their 3rd pairing and give them decent minutes. i would expect a DZ/eminger pairing to actually play 15-20 minutes a night, you give mcdonagh and sauer 18-20 a night and then staal and girardi are down to around 20 per night. it automatically cuts down TOI for every player on the defense and keeps you fresh down the stretch

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Can't take mins away from mdz. Kid can't go to the Third pair. He's scoring and playing great D he's gotta continue to get at least 20 a night. Put him with Staal

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