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12-20-2011, 04:06 PM
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IMO OBrian in the fourth line yes. He is better than Konopka or Winchester, smarter, skiller than they and plays very good in PK, he has good character and very good hits. IMO yes!!!
Nice to see that someone else agrees that O'Brien will take Winchester's job.

Just my opinion:
O'Brien - replaces Winchester next yr
Zibanejad - replaces Alfredson on the roster who IMO retires at the end of the yr
Stone - replaces Condra, it might not be next yr but certainly the yr after
DZ - replaces Daugavins next yr unless Murray gets a LWer in a trade
Boroweicki - replaces Kuba in the lineup when Kuba is traded at the deadline
Silfverberg - replaces Konopka on the roster next season


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I think bickering over gameday lines is stupid, let alone bickering and predicting lines almost a year from now.

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Nice to see that someone else agrees that O'Brien will take Winchester's job.

Just my opinion:
O'Brien - replaces Winchester next yr
Zibanejad - replaces Alfredson on the roster who IMO retires at the end of the yr
Stone - replaces Condra, it might not be next yr but certainly the yr after
DZ - replaces Daugavins next yr unless Murray gets a LWer in a trade
Boroweicki - replaces Kuba in the lineup when Kuba is traded at the deadline
Silfverberg - replaces Konopka on the roster next season
I like Jim OBrian.

to the others. We will see in the camp I think Silfverberg and Zibanejad need oneyear in AHL under KK

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And still one important thing for Jim OBrien. He has confidence and he shows it in his play. He is not scorer, not passer but players are better with him he gives them a lot of confidence, they know that somebody repairs their mistake in defense or lossing a puck in offense. It is very important IMO and if he will continue he can be a great the third line center not only the fourth. I would like to see him in the next roster but the camp will show.

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12-22-2011, 08:50 AM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
Colin Greening ($0.816m) / Kyle Turris ($1.400m) / Milan Michalek ($4.333m)
Nick Foligno ($1.900m) / Mika Zibanejad ($1.775m) / Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m)
Erik Condra ($0.625m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
Zenon Konopka ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.500m) / Erik Karlsson ($5.000m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Matt Carkner ($0.700m)
Mark Borowiecki ($0.610m)

GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.187m) / Robin Lehner ($0.870m)

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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,740,833; BONUSES: $1,275,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,559,167



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12-22-2011, 08:56 AM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
Colin Greening ($0.816m) / Kyle Turris ($1.400m) / Milan Michalek ($4.333m)
Nick Foligno ($1.900m) / Mika Zibanejad ($1.775m) / Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m)
Erik Condra ($0.625m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
Zenon Konopka ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.500m) / Erik Karlsson ($5.000m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Matt Carkner ($0.700m)
Mark Borowiecki ($0.610m)

GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.187m) / Robin Lehner ($0.870m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,740,833; BONUSES: $1,275,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,559,167



Never doubt BM.
Biggest steal in the LNH.

Discuss.

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12-22-2011, 09:21 AM
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lol if we somehow can sign both Suter and Parise, the Sens are a contender within 1 year (depends on Turris and the 2 Swedes).

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Milan Michalek ($4.333m)
Peter Regin ($1.500m) / Kyle Turris ($1.400m) / Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m)
Nick Foligno ($2.500m) / Mika Zibanejad ($1.775m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
Colin Greening ($0.816m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
Bobby Butler ($1.050m) / Erik Condra ($0.625m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($5.000m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Mark Borowiecki ($0.610m)
Brian Lee ($1.000m)

GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.187m) / Robin Lehner ($0.870m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,990,833; BONUSES: $1,275,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $309,167


Look at that damn forward group for C's sake, and that defense lol... And the potential of the goaltending duo too. Ahhh, it's good to dream.

That being said, sacrifices will have to be made, we won't be able to keep everybody long term with all the young guys that will be pushing spots in the next few years. Funny, but the problem is now reversed. In the following years after the Cup run, we didn't have anybody to challenge veterans so we were kinda forced to keep them (and pay them accordingly) and now we'll have to make wrenching decisions because we'll have too many NHL players.


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Biggest steal in the LNH.

Discuss.
I kinda agree with that assesment. 1.4 for both Greening and Condra? I ain't even mad. Those guys are like 25 y/o and are paid peanuts compared to what they contribute. They aren't green 20 y/o rookies, but developped hockey players

Discuss.


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12-23-2011, 10:15 AM
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Based on what we have signed right now this is how the lineup should end up next season. Just rolls with our contacted and RFA players.

UFA - Spezza - Michalek
Foligno - Turris - Alfredsson
Greening - Smith - Condra
Daugavins - Regin - Neil
Butler

Karlsson - Cowen
Gonchar - UFA
Phillips - Lee
Bingo Dman

Anderson
Lehner

I figure our T6 starts to look solid with the inclusion of a good UFA to round out the corps. Foligno has shown enough skill so far this season to be slotted into the second line but its also possible one of the kids (Silferburg, Puempel, etc) bumps him down the depth chart. In the bottom 6 we have virtually two 3rd lines that can work as extremely solid depth for our team.

On defense Cowen will have grown some more and will likely grab 1st line minutes with his future partner in crime, Karlsson. We get a 2nd pairing UFA to go with Gonchar (preferably a 2way or Defensive dman) and roll with phillips in the 3rd pairing soaking up the majority of the PK minutes.

Lehner gets backup duty, 20-30 games and gets acclimated to the NHL. Its less work then starting in bingo but its a good chance to start working into the starting position he will hold one day. Also possible to get a UFA or resign auld as a backup and let lehner season another year in the AHL.

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12-23-2011, 02:01 PM
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UFA - Spezza - Michalek
Foligno - Turris - Alfredsson
Greening - Smith - Condra
Daugavins - Regin - Neil
Butler

Karlsson - Cowen
Gonchar - UFA
Phillips - Lee
Bingo Dman

Anderson
Lehner
Zibanejad and Silfverberg should be in the mix. Alfredsson retiring may open up one of those spots.

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Zibanejad and Silfverberg should be in the mix. Alfredsson retiring may open up one of those spots.
All I know is we have to many bodies if we want to use a couple of our young guys be it Da Costa, Zibanejad, Silfverberg or Puempel. (Ottawa names are getting harder to spell).

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12-24-2011, 10:39 AM
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My guess is that the Sens try & trade Kuba, Konopka, Winchester, Daugavins & Auld at the deadline. They also try & trade at the 2012 draft after the season Regin, Lee & Butler or Condra. Any they can't trade if they don't have a contract for next season will not be re-signed except maybe Lee. If Alfie retires then Michalek replaces him & Silfverberg replaces Michalek on the 2nd line. Condra & Stone fight it out for the 3rd line RW spot.

Greening - Spezza - Alfredson
Wolski - Turris - Michalek
Foligno - Zibanejad - Stone
Z. Smith - O'Brien - Neil/Condra/Silfverberg

Cowen - Karlsson
Phillips - Lee or UFA veteran two way defenceman
Gonchar - Carkner/Boroweicki

Anderson - Lehner

To NYR: Kuba
To Ott: Wolski

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Wolski is one of the last guys we should go after and Stone will not play 3rd line over Silfverberg.

My take would be if Alfie stays pretty healthy for the rest of the season, he won't retire. He's still got game.

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12-24-2011, 11:18 AM
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Wolski is one of the last guys we should go after and Stone will not play 3rd line over Silfverberg.

My take would be if Alfie stays pretty healthy for the rest of the season, he won't retire. He's still got game.
Why not? He's only 25 yrs old & has had over 40 pts over 4 seasons & 50 one season. He's 6'3" & 200 lbs, he has had some issues over his career like some other hockey players have had & he has been injured a few times but IMO Ottawa needs another big goal scoring LWer & we may be able to get him fairly cheaply right now. I guess Silfverberg could also play the left wing, it remains to be seen with him where he will fit in.

The only question we will have with Silfverberg is how he adapts to the NA game & smaller surface. That remains to be seen although from what I saw last night with Sweden it doesn't look like playing a physical game is much of a problem for them. Stone has been playing a NA game all his life & they might not both be fighting over the same spot, Silfverberg can play all three forward positions. Stone may need some time in Bingo, it depends how he works out this summer, it would be nice to hear he works out as hard as Greening. If he continues to work on his skating & stamina he should be a good one.

Would it surprise you if Alfredson asked to be traded to Detroit for a cup run at the deadline?

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FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Jason Spezza ($7.000m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($4.875m)
Colin Greening ($0.816m) / Kyle Turris ($1.400m) / Milan Michalek ($4.333m)
Nick Foligno ($1.900m) / Mika Zibanejad ($1.775m) / Jakob Silfverberg ($0.900m)
Erik Condra ($0.625m) / Zack Smith ($0.700m) / Chris Neil ($2.000m)
Zenon Konopka ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.500m) / Erik Karlsson ($5.000m)
Jared Cowen ($1.265m) / Sergei Gonchar ($5.500m)
Chris Phillips ($3.083m) / Matt Carkner ($0.700m)
Mark Borowiecki ($0.610m)

GOALTENDERS
Craig Anderson ($3.187m) / Robin Lehner ($0.870m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $61,740,833; BONUSES: $1,275,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,559,167



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Would be amazing!

I'd offer Suter $49 million / 7 years

I'd offer Parise $42 million / 6 years

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Why not? He's only 25 yrs old & has had over 40 pts over 4 seasons & 50 one season. He's 6'3" & 200 lbs, he has had some issues over his career like some other hockey players have had & he has been injured a few times but IMO Ottawa needs another big goal scoring LWer & we may be able to get him fairly cheaply right now. I guess Silfverberg could also play the left wing, it remains to be seen with him where he will fit in.

The only question we will have with Silfverberg is how he adapts to the NA game & smaller surface. That remains to be seen although from what I saw last night with Sweden it doesn't look like playing a physical game is much of a problem for them. Stone has been playing a NA game all his life & they might not both be fighting over the same spot, Silfverberg can play all three forward positions. Stone may need some time in Bingo, it depends how he works out this summer, it would be nice to hear he works out as hard as Greening. If he continues to work on his skating & stamina he should be a good one.

Would it surprise you if Alfredson asked to be traded to Detroit for a cup run at the deadline?
Wolski's soft, careless and a glorified journeyman.

Silfverberg shouldn't have much an issue adapting. It's much easier for forwards, especially forwards like him.

Stone will get a look deep into pre-season just based on what the org has said already, but he's behind Silfverberg and Zibanejad (if he plays RW) and he likely will be going in to camp....if he wants to make it over them, he'll have to beat them clearly. He'll likely be in Bingo.

Greening - Spezza - Michalek
Foligno - Turris - Alfredsson
Silfverberg -Zibanejad - Condra
Daugavins - Smith - Neil

Edit: Zibanejad may end up on the wing long-term, who knows, but at this point he might fit best at center.

Cowen - Karlsson
Phillips - Gonchar
Boro - Carkner/Lee

Seek LW and RD in UFA/Trade.

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Anyone think Stone could make it right out of Jr?

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Anyone think Stone could make it right out of Jr?
Unlikely, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's one of the guys penciled in for 3-4 games in training camp and thus a final cut candidate who's borderline NHL ready.

The only reason I think that is because the Sens have said they expect him to be on the bubble come camp next year...I just don't think he'll find the inside track over newcomers like Zibanejad and Silfverberg.

If Alfie retires, his chances improve. I don't think Alfie's retiring if he stays healthy and keeps playing at the level he is.

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Wolski's soft, careless and a glorified journeyman.

Silfverberg shouldn't have much an issue adapting. It's much easier for forwards, especially forwards like him.

Stone will get a look deep into pre-season just based on what the org has said already, but he's behind Silfverberg and Zibanejad (if he plays RW) and he likely will be going in to camp....if he wants to make it over them, he'll have to beat them clearly. He'll likely be in Bingo.

Greening - Spezza - Michalek
Foligno - Turris - Alfredsson
Silfverberg -Zibanejad - Condra
Daugavins - Smith - Neil

Edit: Zibanejad may end up on the wing long-term, who knows, but at this point he might fit best at center.

Cowen - Karlsson
Phillips - Gonchar
Boro - Carkner/Lee

Seek LW and RD in UFA/Trade.
Hey we agree on defence that's a start except that I thought Murray would go after an experienced two way LD & Borocop could be the 7th D. Funny you think we might grab a UFA LW but you don't want Wolski? Who would you get then that fits the re-build?

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Hey we agree on defence that's a start except that I thought Murray would go after an experienced two way LD & Borocop could be the 7th D. Funny you think we might grab a UFA LW but you don't want Wolski? Who would you get then that fits the re-build?
If anyone's the 7th it's probably Carkner/Lee but both are free agents so who knows who is kept, Carkner probably if only one. Let Boro play in the A if he's just gonna be the 7th but he could arguably be a better player than Carkner next year, if he isn't already.

I have no interest in Wolski, doesn't mean I can't have an interest in anyone else.
UFA:
I'd go after Parise seriously. Nothing else at this point interests me.

RFA/Trade:
-James Neal may be very difficult for Pittsburgh to resign. (I'd consider moving a guy like Matt Puempel + for him)
- Jakub Voracek is another possibility taking advantage of Philly's cap situation

Otherwise sit tight, draft and develop...wait for other opportunities.

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MOO Voracek is very interesting.

When I watch him, I always think to myself why he doesn't produce more points. He appears like he should produce more than he does. He looks to be a 70 point type player. Very similar to Michalek imo except more of a passer.

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MOO Voracek is very interesting.

When I watch him, I always think to myself why he doesn't produce more points. He appears like he should produce more than he does. He looks to be a 70 point type player. Very similar to Michalek imo except more of a passer.
Yeah I like him, he's a solid top 6er with upside.

Like Neal for this team more though. I think we have a guy like Voracek and maybe better in Zibanejad.

Neal shoots every time he gets the puck and makes room as well. I really don't see how Pittsburgh can fit him in....they have few free agent options that will give them some cap relief. A prospect like Matt Puempel is a type of guy they need to keep bringing in for those centers.

I'd pay up for James Neal.

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I never thought I'd say this, but Kuba deserves to be offered at least a 1-year extension.

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I never thought I'd say this, but Kuba deserves to be offered at least a 1-year extension.
All depends if by July 1st they like the idea of making room for Borowiecki...he will likely get some games on the big club in the 2nd half and they'll make the evaluation then.'

If not I could see Kuba getting another year.

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Pens will be able to keep Neal. They have 9m in cap space and 17 players signed.

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All depends if by July 1st they like the idea of making room for Borowiecki...he will likely get some games on the big club in the 2nd half and they'll make the evaluation then.'

If not I could see Kuba getting another year.
I'd be happy if we just rolled with this year's crop for another season. Kuba (if extended 1 year) and Gonchar's contracts would both be up in 2013, and at that point Wiercioch and Borowiecki would hopefully be in good shape to step in. It's likely they'd get more than a few games as injury call ups between now and then.

I agree with your thinking; I just don't think Borowiecki will be a better option than any of Karlsson/Gonchar/Cowen/Kuba/Phillips/Carkner/Lee next season.

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