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12-24-2011, 11:36 AM
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Just give us one more defenseman that knows how to defend and we will be ok.

Lets just take a look at this

Kimmo - Coburn

Carle - Bourdon

Lilja - Mez

Thats a defense that should be able to at least push sides to the perimeter. The amount of shots in the rangers game that were taken from the slot, 2 on 1's, 1 on 1's. Was a complete joke. Then you have to look at the rebounds. Yeah Bryz has been pretty bad, and giving up rebounds, but you don't expect the puck to sit there infront of the goaltender for a good 3 seconds while the shooter gets another go.

We have deeper problems than goaltending. But the easy out is to blame Bryz. Covering up for a lot more than shoddy Goaltending IMO

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12-24-2011, 11:40 AM
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It's not going to happen this year. Executives don't look highly on dishing out $51 million for an investment only to see it written off. And Laviolette knows this without anyone having to say anything to him -- because if it was a coaching decision, Bob would already be the starter.

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12-24-2011, 11:53 AM
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Just give us one more defenseman that knows how to defend and we will be ok.

Lets just take a look at this

Kimmo - Coburn

Carle - Bourdon

Lilja - Mez

Thats a defense that should be able to at least push sides to the perimeter. The amount of shots in the rangers game that were taken from the slot, 2 on 1's, 1 on 1's. Was a complete joke. Then you have to look at the rebounds. Yeah Leighton has been pretty bad, and giving up rebounds, but you don't expect the puck to sit there infront of the goaltender for a good 3 seconds while the shooter gets another go.

We have deeper problems than goaltending. But the easy out is to blame Leighton. Covering up for a lot more than shoddy Goaltending IMO
What I read last year.

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12-24-2011, 11:57 AM
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Just give us one more defenseman that knows how to defend and we will be ok.

Lets just take a look at this

Kimmo - Coburn

Carle - Bourdon

Lilja - Mez

Thats a defense that should be able to at least push sides to the perimeter. The amount of shots in the rangers game that were taken from the slot, 2 on 1's, 1 on 1's. Was a complete joke. Then you have to look at the rebounds. Yeah Bryz has been pretty bad, and giving up rebounds, but you don't expect the puck to sit there infront of the goaltender for a good 3 seconds while the shooter gets another go.

We have deeper problems than goaltending. But the easy out is to blame Bryz. Covering up for a lot more than shoddy Goaltending IMO

I think that's more of a matter of us getting behind in the game. When we're losing Laviolette impresses our defensemen to force the issue even more at the point of attack. Because of that there are a lot of odd-man breaks against us when we're losing.

The problems in the slot stem generally on our defensemen not named Coburn, Meszaros, and Timonen. And even then, Coburn and Meszaros have a lapses every once in a long while.

That said, our defense even without Pronger does a GREAT job at clearing out rebounds and second opportunities. Coupled with the low shot totals we're giving up...

Honestly, we're 5th in the NHL in SA/G with 28.6, but at the same time, we're 18th in GA/G with 28.5.

We paid for a goalie that's used to getting peppered and stopping a number of shots. In actuality, we wanted a solid first save goalie who covers a lot of net so that it doesn't matter how many shots he gets hit with because he's not going to see a lot of action in Philadelphia.

We want a goalie who can stay focused through long lapses, not necessarily a superstar that can stop 10 shots in 20 seconds.

I can't believe I'm saying this...but we'd probably be much better with Weber/Suter + Leighton than Bryzgalov + whatever defensemen Weber/Suter would replace.

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12-24-2011, 12:02 PM
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Just give us one more defenseman that knows how to defend and we will be ok.

Lets just take a look at this

Kimmo - Coburn

Carle - Bourdon

Lilja - Mez

Thats a defense that should be able to at least push sides to the perimeter. The amount of shots in the rangers game that were taken from the slot, 2 on 1's, 1 on 1's. Was a complete joke. Then you have to look at the rebounds. Yeah Bryz has been pretty bad, and giving up rebounds, but you don't expect the puck to sit there infront of the goaltender for a good 3 seconds while the shooter gets another go.

We have deeper problems than goaltending. But the easy out is to blame Bryz. Covering up for a lot more than shoddy Goaltending IMO
These are the excuses that were used for Bob and Boosh. The EXACT same ones. We got Bryz because he's supposedly good enough to succeed in these conditions. So far he most definitely isn't.

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12-24-2011, 12:34 PM
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These are the excuses that were used for Bob and Boosh. The EXACT same ones. We got Bryz because he's supposedly good enough to succeed in these conditions. So far he most definitely isn't.
Exactly. He got the big bucks to be a standout goalie. He hasn't stood out in a good way at all.

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These are the excuses that were used for Bob and Boosh. The EXACT same ones. We got Bryz because he's supposedly good enough to succeed in these conditions. So far he most definitely isn't.
Then maybe it's the system and not the goaltender? Thats the entire point of the post.

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12-24-2011, 01:05 PM
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Then maybe it's the system and not the goaltender? Thats the entire point of the post.
Bob and Boucher did just fine in the same system. Other goalies do fine on worse teams. Bryz is paid to be a top 5 goalie, and right now he ranks in the bottom 5, with his backup outperforming him overall. I find this disturbing. Not all goaltenders are heavily reliant on their defense, and the idea behind getting Bryz is that he would be one of those goalies.

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12-24-2011, 01:16 PM
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Exactly. He got the big bucks to be a standout goalie. He hasn't stood out in a good way at all.


Just because you give a goalie big bucks does not mean he is a top goalie. I really want to know what the Flyers used to evaluate Bryz. Considering the system he came from really makes a difference in performance.

Goalies are very difficult to evaluate because alot of there success and failure can be attributed to the talent and system around them. The flyers play a pretty open style of hockey with many scoring opportunities. Alot of time our forwards are out of position , and some times our dmen are out of position because they come up to make a play. These are all factors that hurt goaltenders. If you're forwards and dmen play more conservative your goalie will benefit simple as that.

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The Flyers occasional scattered brain team defense certainly doesn't help, but in no game this year has Bryz been outstanding, nor has he "stole" a game. Maybe he's been playing through an injury, or maybe Phoenix and Anheim play styles made him look better than he really is. I don't know what the answer is, but I do know Bobrovksy has been the better goalie thus far, granted Bob's sample size is small.

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12-24-2011, 03:34 PM
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Bob and Boucher did just fine in the same system. Other goalies do fine on worse teams. Bryz is paid to be a top 5 goalie, and right now he ranks in the bottom 5, with his backup outperforming him overall. I find this disturbing. Not all goaltenders are heavily reliant on their defense, and the idea behind getting Bryz is that he would be one of those goalies.
Couldn't agree more. Personally, I think it's pathetic how much excuse-making is going on for Bryz.

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Just because you give a goalie big bucks does not mean he is a top goalie. I really want to know what the Flyers used to evaluate Bryz. Considering the system he came from really makes a difference in performance.

Goalies are very difficult to evaluate because alot of there success and failure can be attributed to the talent and system around them. The flyers play a pretty open style of hockey with many scoring opportunities. Alot of time our forwards are out of position , and some times our dmen are out of position because they come up to make a play. These are all factors that hurt goaltenders. If you're forwards and dmen play more conservative your goalie will benefit simple as that.
That's completely irrelevant. The point is that he's paid like a top goalie.

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12-24-2011, 03:37 PM
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Bob was really solid in his last start he should get the next game. It hasn't been all Bryz though I mean 2 deflections, and a whole bunch of other bad deflections, but he gets no excuses with that contract. I don't know what Homer was thinking 9 years when Bob should be ready in 3-5 years maybe sooner, and Bryz hasn't been worth the money so far he hasn't really stole a game. Bryz without a doubt has been a disappointed so far.

It annoys me when the media uses Bryzgalovs record to say he's playing good. Bob has a better win/save % right not. Bryz needs to get it together. He's not the reason this team is near the top right now.

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Couldn't agree more. Personally, I think it's pathetic how much excuse-making is going on for Bryz.



That's completely irrelevant. The point is that he's paid like a top goalie.


And what i was saying was Salary does not = performance. Numerous athletes have never lived up to the size of their contracts. The size of the contracts usually came from the team's desperation to believe that this player is greater than he is. Its time to set aside salary and just look at how he plays the position.

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12-24-2011, 06:27 PM
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ITs all very shaky... during our 7 game win streak i was very impressed with Bryzgalov. He made all the big saves and he was rolling. Its much too early to completely waive this guy off. However if this continues throughout the year it will be interesting at the end if there is an amnesty clause do we drop Bryz or maybe Pronger.

This rangers game we just played bad defensively. and that obviously made Bryz look even worse

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12-26-2011, 12:13 AM
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Just because you give a goalie big bucks does not mean he is a top goalie. I really want to know what the Flyers used to evaluate Bryz. Considering the system he came from really makes a difference in performance.

Goalies are very difficult to evaluate because alot of there success and failure can be attributed to the talent and system around them. The flyers play a pretty open style of hockey with many scoring opportunities. Alot of time our forwards are out of position , and some times our dmen are out of position because they come up to make a play. These are all factors that hurt goaltenders. If you're forwards and dmen play more conservative your goalie will benefit simple as that.
The Ed Snider "If you don't get me the best goalie on the free agent market, you're all ****ing fired" evaluation method.

Eight more years of this, boys. Enjoy.

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Same number of WINS as Lou, Elliot, Quick and Lundqvist. I will take wins over stats any day!

I believe Hockey is still a Team Sport!


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tI dont think bryz's NMC is an issue, say in 4 years, BOB is killing it. We keep bryz as backup, and im sure he'll waive his NMC...no goalie wants to be #2
especially one as good as bryz.

verrry different than a contract like briere's

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Same number of WINS as Lou, Elliot, Quick and Lundqvist. I will take wins over stats any day!

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yes, but winning 6-5,7-6,5-4, isnt matter of good goaltending..
i like Bryz but he didnt steal a single game yet and i think we have quite a few matches behind us

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yes, but winning 6-5,7-6,5-4, isnt matter of good goaltending..
i like Bryz but he didnt steal a single game yet and i think we have quite a few matches behind us
If the goals dry up like they did against Boston and the Rangers that's exactly where he needs to shine. When the playoffs roll around he's going to have to win 2-1 or 3-2 games because high scoring games aren't plentiful.

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If the goals dry up like they did against Boston and the Rangers that's exactly where he needs to shine. When the playoffs roll around he's going to have to win 2-1 or 3-2 games because high scoring games aren't plentiful.
yep i agree, i mentioned these results, because someone mentioned those many victories, and i don't really think its because of our goalie.
But i don't wanna bash i like Bryz and i hope his time will come

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The Ed Snider "If you don't get me the best goalie on the free agent market, you're all ****ing fired" evaluation method.

Eight more years of this, boys. Enjoy.

Lol. I think that Snider was really frustrated by all the fluke goals that teams scored against us. Bouch and Bob gave up some brutal goals at impossible angles. To his credit Bryz has not given up any goals like that this year.

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Same number of WINS as Lou, Elliot, Quick and Lundqvist. I will take wins over stats any day!

I believe Hockey is still a Team Sport!
Team sport works in averages.

Team sport does not work when it's "win this game or you're going home early."

We've had goalies forever that win because of our team. We hired Bryzgalov to win that one we game we need to win despite our team.

All Bryzgalov has proven is that he can win games in Philadelphia just like Leighton can win games in Philadelphia. In fact, Bryzgalov has had worse stats....

If we wanted a goalie that was going to win on our coattails we could've paid $1.00m. Why are we paying $5.67m? Right now, Bryzgalov is by far the most overpaid player on the team; even more than Shelley.

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Lol. I think that Snider was really frustrated by all the fluke goals that teams scored against us. Bouch and Bob gave up some brutal goals at impossible angles. To his credit Bryz has not given up any goals like that this year.
No... Bryz hasn't let any goals in on the short side when he should have been hugging the post.

This never happens to Bryz... all of Bryz's goals against have been on near impossible shots

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