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12-26-2011, 10:07 AM
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Are only only hope to improve this current team is a a more aggressive new draft strategy for this upcoming draft especially!

We need to get the first round pick from the bottom feeders - Columbus, Carolina, Islanders or Anaheim to position ourselves for the lottery pick...

We don't need to tank.....We can swapt our first round pick with a package of players that aren't part of our future to any of these 4 teams which would secure for us a lottery pick. Most teams don't believe the habs will finish high so our first & second round picks would be attractive to these team if packaged properly.

That would allows to secure a future russian offensive star which we desperately need to add to our core group and will be available in this years draft.

We should focus on making Montreal the go to place for Russian players and french players that way we can tap into top talent. Much like Detroit is the go to place for swedish players Montreal should do the same with talented russian players. Montreal is the perfect place for russian players to transition into north america because of it's european lifestyle. Russians once in Montreal love the city.

We should also get Alexander Radulov from Nashville & Semin from Washington.

We can also get Brassard from Columbus.

Our focus in the draft and young prospects should be top russian & quebec talent. We should also make our environment comfortable for these 2 groups by having language support, housing support, culture support and vet players to help them transition in Montreal.

What do you guys think?
The Habs dont need high picks they need to swing for the fences on offensively gifted players especially centers eg Girioux, Datsyuk, Getzlaf, Parise, etc

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The Habs dont need high picks they need to swing for the fences on offensively gifted players especially centers eg Girioux, Datsyuk, Getzlaf, Parise, etc
Yes I agree with you. The Habs should just get better players and win the cup this year. I don't understand why PG has not done this. Gomez for Getzlaf, Gill for Chara and a few more like that and it's done, Habs win the cup. Easy!

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The Habs dont need high picks they need to swing for the fences on offensively gifted players especially centers eg Girioux, Datsyuk, Getzlaf, Parise, etc
That's exactly my point, they need to secure a superstar center to be part of the teams core...we currently do not have a top notch center...we haven't had one for years and that is one of the big reason our team has had problems scoring the last few years...

We will not be able to get this player by trading for star center currently in the NHL(the only possibility..maybe Eric Staal but I don't think so)...so the only other option is this years top prospects in the draft which are in the lottery pick category...I suggest the lottery pick category because we need to compliment are current cores (Price,Subban,Patch) now with a center not 3-5 years from now.

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i need to know where this myth started that semin doens't put points in the playoffs. if you check his post-season stats, you'll notice they are almost identical in pace to his regular season stats.

in other words, he puts as much points on the board during the playoffs as he does during the regular season
As does nearly every player over a large enough sample, Semins playoff woes are on par with Cammy's playoff heroics, non existent.

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we dont need more junk like Radulaov, Brassard , etc...we have our own crap to work with on this team

the first order of business is stop the BS singnings in the offseason

no more 4+ million players who have no impact on this team or are way overpaid

Cole, Cammy, Gio, Markov ( FINISHED ) ETC, ETC.... stop this

and this includes Gorges , Kronwall just got 4.5 Gorges isnt 1/2 the player he is

use him as trade bait for get picks
Whats wrong with Cole? the guy is what we are looking for.

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12-26-2011, 11:32 AM
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Whats wrong with Cole? the guy is what we are looking for.
Nothing!...Cole has been great!....plus he's been a excellent role model for Patches..

Are core players need vet role models to accelerate their development.

Subban is an desperate need of a role model that he respects, that has overall defensive/offensive talents...this would fast track his development & confidence..

Targeting and getting needed core players and surrounding them with the right role models would be a winning strategy

Our current vets are not doing very much for our core players...I can you respects vets that are not producing but getting paid to produce? (Gomez,Gionta,Cami,Gill etc)

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Are only only hope to improve this current team is a a more aggressive new draft strategy for this upcoming draft especially!

We need to get the first round pick from the bottom feeders - Columbus, Carolina, Islanders or Anaheim to position ourselves for the lottery pick...

We don't need to tank.....We can swapt our first round pick with a package of players that aren't part of our future to any of these 4 teams which would secure for us a lottery pick. Most teams don't believe the habs will finish high so our first & second round picks would be attractive to these team if packaged properly.

That would allows to secure a future russian offensive star which we desperately need to add to our core group and will be available in this years draft.

We should focus on making Montreal the go to place for Russian players and french players that way we can tap into top talent. Much like Detroit is the go to place for swedish players Montreal should do the same with talented russian players. Montreal is the perfect place for russian players to transition into north america because of it's european lifestyle. Russians once in Montreal love the city.

We should also get Alexander Radulov from Nashville & Semin from Washington.

We can also get Brassard from Columbus.

Our focus in the draft and young prospects should be top russian & quebec talent. We should also make our environment comfortable for these 2 groups by having language support, housing support, culture support and vet players to help them transition in Montreal.

What do you guys think?


This is the worst nonsense ever.

This means, if you were sitting on the top pick in 2011 you would have passed up the chance to pick Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Gabriel Landeskog, Jonathan Huberdeau, Adam Larsson, Ryan Strome, Mika Zibanejad, Mark Scheifele, Sean Couturier, Dougie Hamilton and so on just to happily pick up Vladislav Namestnikov (drafted at 27th overall)?

And in 2010 you would have said no to Jordan Hall, Tyler Seguin and Jeff Skinner to pick Alexander Burmistrov?

In 2009 you would have taken Dmitri Kuliov over John Tavares, Victor Hedman, Matt Duchene and others?

In 2008 you would have loved to pick Nikita Filatov ahead of Steven Stamkos, Drew Doughty, Zach Bogosian, Alex Pietrangelo andLuke Schenn?

And in 2007 you would have busted all the trends to reach for Alexei Cherepanov ahead of Patrick Kane and whomever else was there?

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This is the worst nonsense ever.

This means, if you were sitting on the top pick in 2011 you would have passed up the chance to pick Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Gabriel Landeskog, Jonathan Huberdeau, Adam Larsson, Ryan Strome, Mika Zibanejad, Mark Scheifele, Sean Couturier, Dougie Hamilton and so on just to happily pick up Vladislav Namestnikov (drafted at 27th overall)?

And in 2010 you would have said no to Jordan Hall, Tyler Seguin and Jeff Skinner to pick Alexander Burmistrov?

In 2009 you would have taken Dmitri Kuliov over John Tavares, Victor Hedman, Matt Duchene and others?

In 2008 you would have loved to pick Nikita Filatov ahead of Steven Stamkos, Drew Doughty, Zach Bogosian, Alex Pietrangelo andLuke Schenn?

And in 2007 you would have busted all the trends to reach for Alexei Cherepanov ahead of Patrick Kane and whomever else was there?
Your missing the point, I didn't say to overlook anybody.

You have to know who your targeting to address a major need (star center to be part of our core without overrating anybody) and than aggressive go after them....to minimize the risk, good management would target a few choices, get them and see who pans out.

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we dont need more junk like Radulaov, Brassard , etc...we have our own crap to work with on this team

the first order of business is stop the BS singnings in the offseason

no more 4+ million players who have no impact on this team or are way overpaid

Cole, Cammy, Gio, Markov ( FINISHED ) ETC, ETC.... stop this

and this includes Gorges , Kronwall just got 4.5 Gorges isnt 1/2 the player he is

use him as trade bait for get picks
Brassard i can understand not wanting but Radulov is not junk. He'd be our most talented forward and most likely our best point producer along with Plekanec

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The Habs dont need high picks they need to swing for the fences on offensively gifted players especially centers eg Girioux, Datsyuk, Getzlaf, Parise, etc
Haven't we been trying to do this for a very long term? Swing for the fences with mid to late first rounders. Wasn't Kostitsyn swinging for the fences?

You're cherry picking 4 players draft out of 150 players (let's say drafted over a 10 year period). Those odds seems againt us really. It's pretty easy to sit and say we should have picked Getzlaf or Parise or Giroux, but if it were so obvious back then, those guys would be top 10 picks.

Great teams are built with top 10 picks. Those players have physical and intangible skills that are very obvious. A special talent that we don't have other than Price (oh yeah, top 5 pick).

Current top 10 in NHL scoring (w/ overall draft position):
-Giroux 22nd
-Malkin 2nd
-Kessel 5th overall (needed to trade 2nd overall to get him)
-Sedin 2nd
-Sedin 3rd
-Lupoul 7th
-Hossa 11th
-Toews 3rd
-Stamkos 1st
-Versteeg 134th
-Spezza 2nd
-Pomminville 55nd
-Sharp 95th
-Vanek 5th
-Eberle 22nd
-Selanne 10th
-Datysuk 166th
-Neal 33rd
-Nugent-Hopkins 1st
-Backstrom 4th
-Kane 1st
-Karlsson 15th
-Gaborik 3rd
-Hartnell 6th
-Whitney 23rd
-Weiss 4th
-Kopitar 11th
-Seguin 2nd

So 14 out of the top 28 are top 5 picks
So 19 out of the top 28 are top 11 picks (usually beyond our drafting range):
So that least 9 of the top 28 are below top 11 (quite a few are acutally top 28 because of top 5 players like Neal-Malkin, Sharp-Toews & Kane)

And this doesn't even include Crosby.

Yeah, let's focus on the 1/3 of the draft where you have to find "hidden gems" instead of 2/3 part of the draft where the odds are much higher. Brilliant strategy....

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Haven't we been trying to do this for a very long term? Swing for the fences with mid to late first rounders. Wasn't Kostitsyn swinging for the fences?

You're cherry picking 4 players draft out of 150 players (let's say drafted over a 10 year period). Those odds seems againt us really. It's pretty easy to sit and say we should have picked Getzlaf or Parise or Giroux, but if it were so obvious back then, those guys would be top 10 picks.

Great teams are built with top 10 picks. Those players have physical and intangible skills that are very obvious. A special talent that we don't have other than Price (oh yeah, top 5 pick).

Current top 10 in NHL scoring (w/ overall draft position):
-Giroux 22nd
-Malkin 2nd
-Kessel 5th overall (needed to trade 2nd overall to get him)
-Sedin 2nd
-Sedin 3rd
-Lupoul 7th
-Hossa 11th
-Toews 3rd
-Stamkos 1st
-Versteeg 134th
-Spezza 2nd
-Pomminville 55nd
-Sharp 95th
-Vanek 5th
-Eberle 22nd
-Selanne 10th
-Datysuk 166th
-Neal 33rd
-Nugent-Hopkins 1st
-Backstrom 4th
-Kane 1st
-Karlsson 15th
-Gaborik 3rd
-Hartnell 6th
-Whitney 23rd
-Weiss 4th
-Kopitar 11th
-Seguin 2nd

So 14 out of the top 28 are top 5 picks
So 19 out of the top 28 are top 11 picks (usually beyond our drafting range):
So that least 9 of the top 28 are below top 11 (quite a few are acutally top 28 because of top 5 players like Neal-Malkin, Sharp-Toews & Kane)

And this doesn't even include Crosby.

Yeah, let's focus on the 1/3 of the draft where you have to find "hidden gems" instead of 2/3 part of the draft where the odds are much higher. Brilliant strategy....
The Habs have generally drafted safer picks. An all out strategy of the best offensive players available at least some of the time. AK was a homer type pick but sometimes you strike out. The Habs would either have to tank or trade away the farm for a top 5 pick who may not turn out.

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The person who started this thread seems to be missing the obvious, i.e. the Habs are a "bottom feeder" themselves. Look at the standings and the games that other teams in hand over them.
Also, no team is dumb enough to hand over high draft picks in exchange for peanuts (did I spell Gomez name correctly?).

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The person who started this thread seems to be missing the obvious, i.e. the Habs are a "bottom feeder" themselves. Look at the standings and the games that other teams in hand over them.
Also, no team is dumb enough to hand over high draft picks in exchange for peanuts (did I spell Gomez name correctly?).
This. In fact we could be officially in lottery territory (top 5 pick) as soon as tommorow if TB wins while we lose since they have more wins and we have more game played. (we have 13 wins in 36 games). Trick for the people who wants to know if we're officially a bad team. The number of backup goalie a team faces is inversely proportional to their sucesses, don't know if it's just me but it seems we've seen more at this point of the season than all of last season...

Edit: To add :with the season almost halfway done the habs have spent more times in a lottery position (at least a couple of weeks) than in a playoff one (think it might be less than a single day but I'm not 100% sure)

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The Habs have generally drafted safer picks. An all out strategy of the best offensive players available at least some of the time. AK was a homer type pick but sometimes you strike out. The Habs would either have to tank or trade away the farm for a top 5 pick who may not turn out.
We've drafted "safer" players because we are always in that part of the draft, where the higher upside guys are already drafted and you're left with the solid type Louis Leblanc's of the world. In reality, Price was a "risk" pick when safer players like Brule were still on the board.

Uh, we're trying as hard we can to win now, keeping our veterans, etc. and we have the 6th worst record (more like 4th since Tampa and NYI have games in hand). So really we don't have to tank, we're already there. Let's just bite the bullet, go for top 2 and trade away some of the high priced vets for picks and prospects.

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Les Glorieux have become Les Miserables! Buying more Molson's beer isn't helping.

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Les Glorieux have become Les Miserables! Buying more Molson's beer isn't helping.
That's just dumb, They didn't try to suck on purpose. Drinking Labatt is not going to make a difference! Labatt owned some of the Expos & let them Go! What's next wine? At least the Team is Canadian owned again, Just need a new philosophy.

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Haven't we been trying to do this for a very long term? Swing for the fences with mid to late first rounders. Wasn't Kostitsyn swinging for the fences?

You're cherry picking 4 players draft out of 150 players (let's say drafted over a 10 year period). Those odds seems againt us really. It's pretty easy to sit and say we should have picked Getzlaf or Parise or Giroux, but if it were so obvious back then, those guys would be top 10 picks.

Great teams are built with top 10 picks. Those players have physical and intangible skills that are very obvious. A special talent that we don't have other than Price (oh yeah, top 5 pick).

Current top 10 in NHL scoring (w/ overall draft position):
-Giroux 22nd
-Malkin 2nd
-Kessel 5th overall (needed to trade 2nd overall to get him)
-Sedin 2nd
-Sedin 3rd
-Lupoul 7th
-Hossa 11th
-Toews 3rd
-Stamkos 1st
-Versteeg 134th
-Spezza 2nd
-Pomminville 55nd
-Sharp 95th
-Vanek 5th
-Eberle 22nd
-Selanne 10th
-Datysuk 166th
-Neal 33rd
-Nugent-Hopkins 1st
-Backstrom 4th
-Kane 1st
-Karlsson 15th
-Gaborik 3rd
-Hartnell 6th
-Whitney 23rd
-Weiss 4th
-Kopitar 11th
-Seguin 2nd

So 14 out of the top 28 are top 5 picks
So 19 out of the top 28 are top 11 picks (usually beyond our drafting range):
So that least 9 of the top 28 are below top 11 (quite a few are acutally top 28 because of top 5 players like Neal-Malkin, Sharp-Toews & Kane)

And this doesn't even include Crosby.

Yeah, let's focus on the 1/3 of the draft where you have to find "hidden gems" instead of 2/3 part of the draft where the odds are much higher. Brilliant strategy....
good post.

not that anybody will read it or even understand it, but good post....

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That's just dumb, They didn't try to suck on purpose. Drinking Labatt is not going to make a difference! Labatt owned some of the Expos & let them Go! What's next wine? At least the Team is Canadian owned again, Just need a new philosophy.
Who said that they tried to suck on purpose?
They are Les Miserables. Did you read the book? It is a famous novel. Intent forms no part of outcome here.
Why would you reference wine? Molsons is not known for making wine.
What does Canadian ownership have to do with winning?

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The person who started this thread seems to be missing the obvious, i.e. the Habs are a "bottom feeder" themselves. Look at the standings and the games that other teams in hand over them.
Also, no team is dumb enough to hand over high draft picks in exchange for peanuts (did I spell Gomez name correctly?).
That point was taken into consideration, We are currently a bottom feeder which makes our first round pick very attractive to trade now with a package to one of the 4 teams(carolina,islanders,columbus,anaheim) whom will most likely end up in last at the end of the year..that's the whole point to trade now to secure a lottery pick.

by the end of the year I can see our team being at the bottom so why not trade now when our team looks to other GMs like a team that will end up at the bottom.

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That point was taken into consideration, We are currently a bottom feeder which makes our first round pick very attractive to trade now with a package to one of the 4 teams(carolina,islanders,columbus,anaheim) whom will most likely end up in last at the end of the year..that's the whole point to trade now to secure a lottery pick.

by the end of the year I can see our team being at the bottom so why not trade now when our team looks to other GMs like a team that will end up at the bottom.
So why not just keep our own first instead of losing other pieces in a package when we could realistically end up below those teams ? I mean that's just making trades for the sake of making trades.

Edit: You know what would be a better plan to secure a top pick. Trading the vets we don't want to those teams in the hope that they help them go up in the standings. Just don't trade them Campoli...

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So why not just keep our own first instead of losing other pieces in a package when we could realistically end up below those teams ? I mean that's just making trades for the sake of making trades.
Because we are not going to be at the bottom at the end of the season..we are going to be any where between 7 to 10th...so we will not have a top 5 pick...so now is the time to secure a top 5 pick.

The current top 5 picks for this year draft ore offensive future stars and that is what we need to compliment our current young core.

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After seeing the negative comments on Superstar caliber Russian players.

Seriously ? We are not going to draft a Yakupov or Grigorenko because of their nationality. Come on. Guys get real. We don't need Zach Kassians or Stefan Della roveres.

Please no good ole Canadian boys. If you want them to bust then pick them.


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Because we are not going to be at the bottom at the end of the season
You can't actually know that... imagine you do that and then Price or Plekanec goes down to injury. Also currently one of the worst possession team in the league since the players we keep on losing are dman and two-way guys.

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The Getzlaf-inspired Ducks are storming through the West. NOT!!! And who says that Canadian-born players have passion for the game from the moment of conception or the milk they're fed? I'd still welcome Ovechkin and Malkin and Datsyuk. There are lots of US Americans I'd gladly take. (And isn't Emelin popular with the fans who attend the Bell Centre?) By saying Canada you're less chauvinistic than the fans who specify Québec but you're hardly free from chauvinism.
Ummm, do you know what that means?

You can have Ovi, Malkin and Datsyuk. I will take Crosby, Toews and any one of Perry, Getzlaf, Stamko or Tavares, Nash, Thorton. And, I will let you pick any one of those guys and Canada still beats any European team hands down....especially Russia.

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Ummm, do you know what that means?

You can have Ovi, Malkin and Datsyuk. I will take Crosby, Toews and any one of Perry, Getzlaf, Stamko or Tavares, Nash, Thorton. And, I will let you pick any one of those guys and Canada still beats any European team hands down....especially Russia.
I will take the Kuznetsov, Tarasenko, Grigorenko,Yakupov team over the Jenner,Schwartz,Howden, Pearson and Stone team any day.

Your argument is unfounded and bias.

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