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12-12-2005, 02:51 PM
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especially with a puck and with guys trying to take the puck away (and on ice, I should add). But to me, that's irrelevant because most of us wouldn't even be able to do what Rozsival did, and one doesn't need to know how to skate when deciding if a player can make a play. I look at it was what other defensemen would've been able to do - which is relevant to me; undwerstanding that skating is difficult, many others apparently can get things done that some cannot.

I watched the play again, and again last night, and still think the same about Rozsival. He snuck into the slot (as you mentioned), but before the pass came, he started to drift back and was at the top of the faceoff circle by the time the errant pass was made. Rozsival started to skate backwards (after the giveaway), but thrusted forward to stop the pass, which is the low percentage play of which I spoke, and I personally thought that since he had a couple strides on the guy and Straka was back, he should've just got back on defense where it would've been two-on-two with Rucinsky trailing for a 3-on-2 (Rangers). But he didn't (bad read and judgement). Then he was stride for stride with Rycroft, but stopped skating around the Rangers blue line (started to coast is a better phrase). Straka made a mistake going to the shooter - but part of making that mistake, I believe, was his thinking that Rozsvial had Rycroft covered, which he originally did. Rucinsky made a bad pass, that I acknowledge. But Rozsival first misread the play (Rucinsky read it immediately - he high-tailed up the ice as soon as he passed). He then erred by not going back on defense. He finally gave up on the play when he was stride for stride with the guy - at worst, hook the damn guy and avoid the scoring oppornity. I should've been clearer that it wasn't solely Rozsival's fault - I just hate when people do not even try sometimes. That's why I blast Rozsival.
He did let up on the play after he was beat but it's not his fault that the puck was turned over, he was trying to get in a shooting position and Ruchinsky saw him in motion and tried to force the pass - Rozy wasn't trying to break up the play. Overall I don't see anything wrong with Rozy's defense this year; in fact I feel that he has been solid. I feel that he and Malik get blasted for everything that they do and others get a pass. Now his offense has been dissapointing as I expected a bit more on the PP.

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12-12-2005, 02:55 PM
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I don't blame him for the pass...

just the effort and reading the play after the pass. We can agree to disagree, as we're leagues apart on Rozsival overall, who like I said, has sucked for most of this season, in my opinion. Malik, who I thought was pretty bad in the first third of the season, has been very solid since, and I think Rozsival brings down that unit a heck of a lot.

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12-12-2005, 03:00 PM
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then shouldn't Rozsival, knowing how bad he is at skating backwards, started skating forward?
Yeah, probably should've just turned but I guess he thought he could skate backwards and face the guy. Then again if the Ruchinsky doesn't turn the puck over and trap 4 players deep in the offensive zone we don't have defensman in that position to begin with, right?

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12-12-2005, 03:07 PM
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just the effort and reading the play after the pass. We can agree to disagree, as we're leagues apart on Rozsival overall, who like I said, has sucked for most of this season, in my opinion. Malik, who I thought was pretty bad in the first third of the season, has been very solid since, and I think Rozsival brings down that unit a heck of a lot.
See I feel that Tyutin hasn't been good at all, even considering this is only his first full year. I'm thrilled with Strudwick, feel that Drats' is getting benched unfairly and Kaspar has been as good as any other Defenseman. Poti still annoys me even though he has improved and the Malik-Rozsival combo has been very solid again IMO. These next two games will be a huge test for the "D", and we better cut down on the penalties!

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12-12-2005, 03:31 PM
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See I feel that Tyutin hasn't been good at all
"at all" is kind of harsh, but I was expecting more from Tyutin too. The development curve seems to have plateaued. For every really smart defensive play, or sharp outlet pass, there's a basic error that makes him look like he's in over his head. Could be the injury, his age, any number of factors. I just think there's a better player in there than he's showing.

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12-12-2005, 03:33 PM
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So we can agree...

I think Tyutin's been so-so this season. I do give him a pass, as compared to, say, Rozsival, since this is his first NHL season (aside from 20 games) and he is 22 years old. I did state at the beginning of the season, however, that I thought Kondratiev was the better of the two. At the beginning of the season, I thought 'Drats looked shaky. He's gotten much better since then - just wish he could hit the net. Kaspar has been up and down too, but up the last several games - and has been very effective physically (and efficient, whereas in past years he was erratic and just went for big hits). His hits have been timely. I don't mind Poti as much as everyone else as I think his defensive game has picked up a heck of a lot to the point where it's actually decent. His offense is frustrating. He does seem to be putting the puck towards the net more and bringing it up more, and he's getting more involved. Just wish he could hit the net - or at least be withing a couple feet.

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12-12-2005, 03:37 PM
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This game thread is still going?Can't wait to see the Rangers/Canucks game thread on Tuesday since the Rangers don't play again until 12/18

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12-12-2005, 04:14 PM
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He did let up on the play after he was beat but it's not his fault that the puck was turned over, he was trying to get in a shooting position and Ruchinsky saw him in motion and tried to force the pass - Rozy wasn't trying to break up the play. Overall I don't see anything wrong with Rozy's defense this year; in fact I feel that he has been solid. I feel that he and Malik get blasted for everything that they do and others get a pass. Now his offense has been dissapointing as I expected a bit more on the PP.
You can't use that as an excuse simply because it's never ending. What could have happened if Roz hadn't had given up?

Bottom line is that Roz gave up on that play way too early. And when the goal comes off of the stick of the guy Roz was covering prior to giving up, it's very very hard not to look back and blame him. Yea, the goal was a combination of errors/miscues, but Roz's lack of effort is the biggest reason behind it.

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12-12-2005, 11:06 PM
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You can't use that as an excuse simply because it's never ending. What could have happened if Roz hadn't had given up?

Bottom line is that Roz gave up on that play way too early. And when the goal comes off of the stick of the guy Roz was covering prior to giving up, it's very very hard not to look back and blame him. Yea, the goal was a combination of errors/miscues, but Roz's lack of effort is the biggest reason behind it.
I'm not using it as an excuse; it is unacceptable for a player to give up on any play. But when this point was made way back when... there was no mention at all as to what caused the scoring opportunity in the first place - everyone is quick to examine everything that Rozy does wrong in a game. Ruchinsky gave the puck away, that caused the opportunity. If the roles were reversed and Rozy gave the puck away but Ruchinsky was the on back checking and stopped do you think we would be talking about how Ruchinsky stopped skating or how awful Rozsival is for giving the puck away.

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12-13-2005, 05:43 AM
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just the effort and reading the play after the pass. We can agree to disagree, as we're leagues apart on Rozsival overall, who like I said, has sucked for most of this season, in my opinion. Malik, who I thought was pretty bad in the first third of the season, has been very solid since, and I think Rozsival brings down that unit a heck of a lot.
Perry Pearn said in a interview that the pairing of Malik and Rozival in all aspects have been as good if not better then any pairing...

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12-13-2005, 08:25 AM
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Perry Pearn said in a interview that the pairing of Malik and Rozival in all aspects have been as good if not better then any pairing...
Not only that but Renney obviously believes that they have been the best pair considering the amount of ice time that they get and J.D. has said that the two have been solid as well.

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12-13-2005, 09:08 AM
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Ola...

I couldn't give a rat's arse what a coach says about a unit that the staff keeps sending out - and JD's a great commentator, but almost always seems to be on the same page as the coaches. I think it's expected that that would come out of his mouth. I've thought that for most of the season this team experiences more quality chances when those two are on the ice than any other pairing. I further think that Rozsival has been downright bad and Malik, who started out poorly, has turned it around and has played well, even past this recent stretch of games.

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12-13-2005, 10:17 AM
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Perry Pearn said in a interview that the pairing of Malik and Rozival in all aspects have been as good if not better then any pairing...
in my opinion they have been by far the team's best defensemen

however, Malik somethimes has a dud of a game, and I think Roszival is on a very rough stretch

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