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Sign Alexander Semin (UFA) in the Offseason?

View Poll Results: Should the Flyers sign Semin in the off-season?
YES!!! He's the perfect linemate for Giroux. 0 0%
Yes, but only if the price is right. 6 6.32%
Maybe, I'd need to see what else is out there on the free agent market. 5 5.26%
No, I'm comfortable with our cheaper in-house options to pair with Giroux. 17 17.89%
NO!!!!! Alex "Sasha" Semin never gives full effort and isn't worth the money. 66 69.47%
No, I don't think he'll make it to free agency, the Caps will sign him long-term. 1 1.05%
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12-27-2011, 06:44 PM
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Semin may not be the answer (and we dont need a Kovalev type if that's what he is) BUT I will say Flyers need an answer for the forward corps since:

Jagr will retire
Read and Talbot overperformed early this season and are not Top 6 material
Voracek is also not Top 6 material, tho Simmonds may be
There are question marks re JVR
Schenn and Couturier are still too young and need a few years to develop into real talent

SO who will Philly have left that are GUARANTEED star Top 6 material?

An ageing Briere, Giroux and Hartnell. A 'maybe' JVR and Simmonds.

That's not a Top 6. That's a Top 3.

Do you know what happens to one line teams in the POs?
Maybe I do and Maybe I don't.

It is not guaranteed.

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12-27-2011, 07:19 PM
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None of the qualities you listed are presently part of Scott Hartnell's game and he does just fine. Hopefully by the time Jagr is gone Schenn and Couturier are in a position to take bigger roles. Briere plays the RW with G.
The qualities I listed were for a potential replacement for Jags. Hartnell fills his role on the line perfectly and i wouldn't think of trying to replace him.

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12-27-2011, 07:21 PM
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The qualities I listed were for a potential replacement for Jags. Hartnell fills his role on the line perfectly and i wouldn't think of trying to replace him.
A quality you forgot is: giving a ****, Semin is missing that one.

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12-28-2011, 11:01 AM
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For me, it depends on what type of money Semin is looking for. Fact is, 40 goal scorers don't grow on trees. Semin is a 40 goal scorer that with the right center, could probably hit 50 to 55. Yes, he's a bit of a floater and doesn't give 100% game in and game out, but he's also the kind of guy that can give opposing teams fits because the moment they come down on him, other guys are left open.

I'm so tired of reading about how the Flyers need all these two way guys. Sometimes, pure offensive players are required. If you take a look at the previous Stanley Cup winners, each one of them had a 90 or 100 point scorer lead the way. For once, I'd like to see the whole preconceived notion that two way players are entirely required in order to win. The Flyers have been littered with them for years and still haven't won anything......

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12-28-2011, 11:15 AM
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For me, it depends on what type of money Semin is looking for. Fact is, 40 goal scorers don't grow on trees. Semin is a 40 goal scorer that with the right center, could probably hit 50 to 55. Yes, he's a bit of a floater and doesn't give 100% game in and game out, but he's also the kind of guy that can give opposing teams fits because the moment they come down on him, other guys are left open.

I'm so tired of reading about how the Flyers need all these two way guys. Sometimes, pure offensive players are required. If you take a look at the previous Stanley Cup winners, each one of them had a 90 or 100 point scorer lead the way. For once, I'd like to see the whole preconceived notion that two way players are entirely required in order to win. The Flyers have been littered with them for years and still haven't won anything......
Who was boston's 90 point player last year?

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12-28-2011, 01:23 PM
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Who was boston's 90 point player last year?
You're quite right, but Boston is an entirely different team than the Flyers and are quite unique when you look at recent cup winners and it would take a massive rebuild to get a team as physical as Boston together... Let alone to get a goalie as good as Thomas.

I really do believe the Flyers could use Semin and that he would be magic w/ Giroux.

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12-28-2011, 01:44 PM
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You're quite right, but Boston is an entirely different team than the Flyers and are quite unique when you look at recent cup winners and it would take a massive rebuild to get a team as physical as Boston together... Let alone to get a goalie as good as Thomas.

I really do believe the Flyers could use Semin and that he would be magic w/ Giroux.
Actually...

Boston copied us. We copied Detroit. Depth wins championships.

The only thing Boston did differently was that we employed a balanced attack style and they decided to trap the **** out of everybody.

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12-28-2011, 01:55 PM
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we do not need Semin. the top end forward group is fine in the goal scoring department. I will have to think the Flyers will be more focused on shoring up the defense core then anything else.

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12-28-2011, 02:04 PM
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I really do believe the Flyers could use Semin and that he would be magic w/ Giroux.
Meh.. you were after me when I wanted Nash and now you want Semin.

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12-28-2011, 02:09 PM
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Actually...

Boston copied us. We copied Detroit. Depth wins championships.

The only thing Boston did differently was that we employed a balanced attack style and they decided to trap the **** out of everybody.
Chicago: Kane Toews Sharp Hossa
Pittsburgh: Crosby Malkin
Detroit: Datsyuk Zetterberg Lidstrom
Anaheim: Selanne, McDonald, Niedermeyer, Pronger, Getzlaf
Carolina: Staal, Williams, Brind'Amour, Recchi, Stillman
Tampa: MSL, Lecavalier, Richards, Stillman

These are all guys who produced @ 60 PTA or more per 82 game pace during the year their team won the cup.

The Flyers currently have 4 guys on this pace. One is a soon to be 40 year old winger, one is a 34 year old center, and one is a winger having a career year.

You don't think we could use a little influx of scoring from a player under 30?

If you say no, then you must be blind. Against any competent defense, we've been reduced to 1 line that can score: the Giroux line.

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12-28-2011, 02:11 PM
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Meh.. you were after me when I wanted Nash and now you want Semin.
Nash's cap hit is gigantic, it makes no sense for CBL to trade him, it would've cost a ton to acquire him, etc. etc. it's comparing apples and oranges.

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Nash's cap hit is gigantic, it makes no sense for CBL to trade him, it would've cost a ton to acquire him, etc. etc. it's comparing apples and oranges.
What will you do when Semin stops playing, He is very talented but very moody player, crap on D and does not use his size. Apples and oranges? Semin is making 6.5. Nash makes 7.8. Both 27 years old. Looking very close to me.

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I propose that instead of signing Alex Semin, we sign Ryan Suter and give Jagr a raise.

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I propose that instead of signing Alex Semin, we sign Ryan Suter and give Jagr a raise.
Done from me.


Edit: Waiting for someone to say Nash for Bryzgalov & Schenn

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What will you do when Semin stops playing, He is very talented but very moody player.. Apples and oranges? Semin is making 6.5. Nash makes 7.8. Both 27 years old. Looking very close to me.
Semin won't be making 6.7 after this season. Probably looking @ 5.5.,

Plus, as I said, Semin is free as a UFA... Nash costs JVR+. That's a huge difference.

Plus it makes sense for WSH to trade Semin or to let him go as a UFA, whereas it makes 0 sense for the Blue Jackets to let Nash go since he's the face of the franchise and is the entire reason they traded for Carter.

So yeah... I'd call it apples and oranges.

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Semin won't be making 6.7 after this season. Probably looking @ 5.5.,
You would pay Semin that much? wow..
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Plus, as I said, Semin is free as a UFA... Nash costs JVR+. That's a huge difference.
Your speculation. Nahs is a contract at this point. He can turn it around no doubt but he is a contract now. Big contract.
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Plus it makes sense for WSH to trade Semin or to let him go as a UFA, whereas it makes 0 sense for the Blue Jackets to let Nash go since he's the face of the franchise and is the entire reason they traded for Carter.

So yeah... I'd call it apples and oranges.
The way Caps play it makes sense to trade everyone with VERY few exceptions.

At this point Nash is just a face. Guy has 10 goals it's time for him to leave Ohio.

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Done from me.


Edit: Waiting for someone to say Nash for Bryzgalov & Schenn
Done so fast Bryz wouldn't know what to do with his hot huskies.

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You would pay Semin that much? wow..
Your speculation. Nahs is a contract at this point. He can turn it around no doubt but he is a contract now. Big contract.
The way Caps play it makes sense to trade everyone with VERY few exceptions.

At this point Nash is just a face. Guy has 10 goals it's time for him to leave Ohio.
You're totally right. Nash has struggled this year, so obviously Columbus would gladly trade their captain for a bag of pucks or for Schenn + Bryz.

It just makes so much sense to abandon your plan after 35 games and to trade your captain and the main reason the fans come to games for peanuts.

What was I thinking?!?!

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We need to get back on to a topic of actual importance:

How to land one of Suter or Weber.

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We need to get back on to a topic of actual importance:

How to land one of Suter or Weber.
You're right.

We could definitely use another 10 pages on how to land one of Nashville's 1st pairing defenseman when they're in playoff contention and they could actually use help defensively according to their fans b/c their other pairings have been quite bad.

That I'd definitely going to happen. It just makes too much sense for Nashville to trade one of them away right now.

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I can't envision any problem where Semin is the answer.

I guess if you consider the lack of a Zherdev-type, selfish, inconsistent player and diva a problem, then yes, Semin is definitely the answer.

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Done so fast Bryz wouldn't know what to do with his hot huskies.
A deal won't be done without huskies.

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You're totally right. Nash has struggled this year, so obviously Columbus would gladly trade their captain for a bag of pucks or for Schenn + Bryz.

It just makes so much sense to abandon your plan after 35 games and to trade your captain and the main reason the fans come to games for peanuts.

What was I thinking?!?!
You do know that it was a joke right? Sad... Carry on.

Semin what?

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if Semin can't produce playing with Ovechkin and Backstrom in Washington, why do people think he'd be a good fit here? lazy Russians don't work in Philly, they never have and never will. it would be Zherdev all over again. plus Lavy hates lazy players. Semin would end up a healthy scratch within the first 10 games.

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i like how sandlansd types out this very well though out post and it doesn't get an recognition. then the primary reason people don't want semin is out of sheer bias.

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