HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Los Angeles Kings
Notices

Gm #36: Kings vs Coyotes, 12/26/11, Post Game WIN thoughts & tidbits

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
12-28-2011, 01:32 AM
  #126
Ziggy Stardust
Master Debater
 
Ziggy Stardust's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Parts Unknown
Posts: 30,896
vCash: 500
Noticed right after Scuderi scored that Sutter was right behind him having a word with Scuderi, kind of looked like he was motivating him. Of course according to Terry Murray, these guys are professionals who don't need any motivation.

Ziggy Stardust is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 02:06 AM
  #127
Shellz
Registered User
 
Shellz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: California
Posts: 17,311
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust View Post
Noticed right after Scuderi scored that Sutter was right behind him having a word with Scuderi, kind of looked like he was motivating him. Of course according to Terry Murray, these guys are professionals who don't need any motivation.
I never understood that about Murray. Communication between a player and the coach is one of the biggest things, if not the biggest.... especially during game time, imo. I don't like that he didn't do that. I don't want to say it hindered Doughty or Johnson, but I think it plays a role. I can't really say because I'm not there, but just from the difference between Terry and Sutter..I will take the guy that talks to his players after every play or goal (against or for)

Shellz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 03:07 AM
  #128
Nex06
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,104
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust View Post
Wasn't a cheap or dirty hit, Vrbata rode Gagne into the boards and he just fell hard.
Regardless of dirtiness I question the efficiency of rules that the league has come up with, if that is not a penalty. Every couple of days I see one TERRIBLE penalty given for a hit that is IMHO perfectly clean. The only argument being, well, that it was monstrous hit, highlight reel material. 5 minute penalties for clean hits on open ice where nobody got hurt, except maybe one millionaire's ego. And yet here we see a push from behind with player's head hitting board. Let's leave aside what is legal and what isn't - this looks dangerous to me and those open ice hits (which lead to 5 min penalties) didn't. Here somebody got hurt, there nobody got hurt. Here when I see replay, I cringe, there I say "Hey, that is one MF hit!"

So bottom line, I question the efficiency, the rationalization of the rules if Gagne's situation is a consequence of a completely legal action. On a side note, that looks like boarding to me, illegal. I would definitely give a penalty there but that is just me. Gagne's head was pushed into boards, he didn't just fell on ice.

Nex06 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 09:33 AM
  #129
null33
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,091
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shellz View Post
I never understood that about Murray. Communication between a player and the coach is one of the biggest things, if not the biggest.... especially during game time, imo. I don't like that he didn't do that. I don't want to say it hindered Doughty or Johnson, but I think it plays a role. I can't really say because I'm not there, but just from the difference between Terry and Sutter..I will take the guy that talks to his players after every play or goal (against or for)
I dunno. Sutter hasn't had a lot of time to work with the squad in practice -- game time is really the only opportunity he has, and likely will have -- to explain what he expects or to correct mistakes or point out excellence. Not true for Murray, who had the luxury of coming in before camp and has been coaching mostly the same group for several years.

As for Murray perhaps hindering Johnson or Doughty or whomever's development... After the Crawford fire drill, and the relative youth of the core, a steady hand on the mental tiller is not a terrible thing. Maybe you miss an opportunity to correct a mistake during game time. You'll review it later on tape, without the emotion and energy of the game clouding the view.

null33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 10:04 AM
  #130
TonySCV
Moderator
One More Time
 
TonySCV's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 12,892
vCash: 500
Murray was the right coach for the team at the time, making up for Crawford, who was the wrong coach for the team at the time. In an ideal world Murray would have been Dean's first hire and would have been fired prior to the start of this season.

Of course the world isn't perfect and I can't remember the last coach that was fired in the offseason who made the playoffs that same season. It was just a necessary part of the process - although the late change certainly damaged the Kings playoff chances this year. They're hovering around 25% at the moment - they have to go on a prolonged run. Something like peeling off 7-9 wins out of 10 games to get comfortably back in the race.

Sutter is the "right" coach now. Like Murray, but not Murray. That's the best way I can describe him. Still has defense-first mentality, but is a more "active" coach and dispenses with the platitudes when speaking both to the players and the media/fans. I think we all appreciate the change of tune.

TonySCV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 10:15 AM
  #131
Scottkmlps
Moderator
 
Scottkmlps's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Ladysmith, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,372
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lars H View Post
I dunno. Sutter hasn't had a lot of time to work with the squad in practice -- game time is really the only opportunity he has, and likely will have -- to explain what he expects or to correct mistakes or point out excellence. Not true for Murray, who had the luxury of coming in before camp and has been coaching mostly the same group for several years.

As for Murray perhaps hindering Johnson or Doughty or whomever's development... After the Crawford fire drill, and the relative youth of the core, a steady hand on the mental tiller is not a terrible thing. Maybe you miss an opportunity to correct a mistake during game time. You'll review it later on tape, without the emotion and energy of the game clouding the view.
Sutter has always been an active coach on the bench. Being with the Kings a short time has nothing to do with it.

Scottkmlps is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 01:02 PM
  #132
Jason Lewis
Hockey's Future Staff
 
Jason Lewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 5,014
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nex06 View Post
Regardless of dirtiness I question the efficiency of rules that the league has come up with, if that is not a penalty. Every couple of days I see one TERRIBLE penalty given for a hit that is IMHO perfectly clean. The only argument being, well, that it was monstrous hit, highlight reel material. 5 minute penalties for clean hits on open ice where nobody got hurt, except maybe one millionaire's ego. And yet here we see a push from behind with player's head hitting board. Let's leave aside what is legal and what isn't - this looks dangerous to me and those open ice hits (which lead to 5 min penalties) didn't. Here somebody got hurt, there nobody got hurt. Here when I see replay, I cringe, there I say "Hey, that is one MF hit!"

So bottom line, I question the efficiency, the rationalization of the rules if Gagne's situation is a consequence of a completely legal action. On a side note, that looks like boarding to me, illegal. I would definitely give a penalty there but that is just me. Gagne's head was pushed into boards, he didn't just fell on ice.



As I said in the other thread...guys can get concussions from perfectly legal hits. You can't just penalize guys because someone got hurt....


The rules should stay the absolute same as they are now. The league is doing a good job and the only reason that we are seeing this so called

"Concussion epidemic" is because the league is now taking more precautions then ever to figure out if a player has one and keep him out if he does.

Jason Lewis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 02:03 PM
  #133
kingsfan
#SutterforanOscar
 
kingsfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,939
vCash: 500
Funny. We win, score more than two goals, and there's no tomd or PSP in the thread. I guess PSP got called into work again. Seems to happen alot when we win.

I myself missed the game, so I'm not going to comment much. Hope Gagne is ok and I'm glad we got more than two goals in a regulation game for the first time in 15 tries. Yes, 14 straight without three regulation goals.

I can't imagine how much this will boost the players confidence offensively. Do it again in the coming games and it will work wonders.

Chicago will be a good test. 2-0-1 under Sutter.

kingsfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 02:09 PM
  #134
Buddy The Elf
Kings!
 
Buddy The Elf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Belmont Shore
Country: United States
Posts: 9,629
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duc620 View Post
To Mssrs. elf and fan... nitpicking appreciated. You are both correct. That's one metaphor save for Mr. Elf and a roster correction by Mr. Fan. Thanks. Ha!

So many players and teams. It's just too much some times. Just too much. I may have been watching a local softball league, btw. Isn't hockey the one with sticks and shorts and softball the one with really really big torso guys? Or is it vice versa?
Softball is the one with the guys that would have made the big leagues if it weren't for that nagging injury or the coach didn't hate him. Don't remind them that they are playing underhand baseball because they take it really seriously. I played 2 seasons of it and had enough. I could not believe such big egos could exist with men playing a girl's sport.

Buddy The Elf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 02:19 PM
  #135
Nex06
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,104
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaygokings View Post
As I said in the other thread...guys can get concussions from perfectly legal hits. You can't just penalize guys because someone got hurt....


The rules should stay the absolute same as they are now. The league is doing a good job and the only reason that we are seeing this so called

"Concussion epidemic" is because the league is now taking more precautions then ever to figure out if a player has one and keep him out if he does.
You missed the point completely.

Nex06 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 02:27 PM
  #136
tomd
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,701
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingsfan View Post
Funny. We win, score more than two goals, and there's no tomd or PSP in the thread. I guess PSP got called into work again. Seems to happen alot when we win.

I myself missed the game, so I'm not going to comment much. Hope Gagne is ok and I'm glad we got more than two goals in a regulation game for the first time in 15 tries. Yes, 14 straight without three regulation goals.

I can't imagine how much this will boost the players confidence offensively. Do it again in the coming games and it will work wonders.

Chicago will be a good test. 2-0-1 under Sutter.
Well I certainly don't want to disappoint you. I've always believed that being negative after a win is bad form.

I will say, however, that Phoenix dominated long stretches of the game and the kings won mainly on the strength (weakness?) of horrible goaltending by JLB.

And you are right - tonight should be a truer test.

Have I redeemed myself?

tomd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 02:41 PM
  #137
The Butcher
Gutless
 
The Butcher's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: The 5
Country: United States
Posts: 2,149
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingsfan View Post
Funny. We win, score more than two goals, and there's no tomd or PSP in the thread. I guess PSP got called into work again. Seems to happen alot when we win.

I myself missed the game, so I'm not going to comment much. Hope Gagne is ok and I'm glad we got more than two goals in a regulation game for the first time in 15 tries. Yes, 14 straight without three regulation goals.

I can't imagine how much this will boost the players confidence offensively. Do it again in the coming games and it will work wonders.

Chicago will be a good test. 2-0-1 under Sutter.
While I don't agree with everything those two say, none of our wins can prove their points wrong. This team is far from out of the woods.

Now, if in a few weeks we have won 9 of 10 or have beaten some top teams with conviction then I'd thumb my nose at these guys but until then I say let's just be happy with our win over the Coyotes.

The Butcher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 02:45 PM
  #138
Buddy The Elf
Kings!
 
Buddy The Elf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Belmont Shore
Country: United States
Posts: 9,629
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomd View Post
Well I certainly don't want to disappoint you. I've always believed that being negative after a win is bad form.

I will say, however, that Phoenix dominated long stretches of the game and the kings won mainly on the strength (weakness?) of horrible goaltending by JLB.

And you are right - tonight should be a truer test.

Have I redeemed myself?
I hope the Kings lose tonight. Beat that!

Buddy The Elf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 02:51 PM
  #139
KingPurpleDinosaur
Bandwagon Kings Fan
 
KingPurpleDinosaur's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: irvine, ca
Posts: 2,879
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by lakingsdrummer View Post
While I don't agree with everything those two say, none of our wins can prove their points wrong. This team is far from out of the woods.

Now, if in a few weeks we have won 9 of 10 or have beaten some top teams with conviction then I'd thumb my nose at these guys but until then I say let's just be happy with our win over the Coyotes.
personally, i don't have a problem with the "what". Nothing they say is new nor unaccepted by the general fan.

But I don't agree with how they only have interest in lambasting the team. Their inabilities to see both positive and negative indicates they are wearing rose-colored glasses to their own pre-disposed ideas. I'm not a fan of subjective people, neither for the positive or negative.

Plus, I put out a bet and get no response. They don't want to be held accountable to their views. How about this, let's change the bet not to be for playoffs or not, but that they will place equally or higher than last year. Since they both seem to think that the team gets worst every year, they would have to believe they won't place as high as last year, right? How bout it?

KingPurpleDinosaur is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 03:01 PM
  #140
HansH
Unwelcome Spectre
 
HansH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: San Diego
Country: United States
Posts: 3,321
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chazz Reinhold View Post
Based on current point projections, 92 points would get the Kings into the playoffs. That means a record of 25-19-2 would get them in right now, which doesn't look nearly as bad as it did a week ago. Obviously that's all subject to change based on how the games play out, but at least it doesn't look like they have to play absolute lights out hockey the rest of the way just to make it.

I would much rather they aim higher than 8th, but at least that's the bare minimum.
25-19-2 would give the Kings 91 points, or a tie with Nashville - to actually lock it down, I would say 25-18-3 (or better, 26-19-1). So, that's a seven-game winning streak followed by .500 hockey.

HansH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 03:04 PM
  #141
Buddy The Elf
Kings!
 
Buddy The Elf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Belmont Shore
Country: United States
Posts: 9,629
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingPurpleDinosaur View Post
personally, i don't have a problem with the "what". Nothing they say is new nor unaccepted by the general fan.

But I don't agree with how they only have interest in lambasting the team. Their inabilities to see both positive and negative indicates they are wearing rose-colored glasses to their own pre-disposed ideas. I'm not a fan of subjective people, neither for the positive or negative.

Plus, I put out a bet and get no response. They don't want to be held accountable to their views. How about this, let's change the bet not to be for playoffs or not, but that they will place equally or higher than last year. Since they both seem to think that the team gets worst every year, they would have to believe they won't place as high as last year, right? How bout it?
Bingo! /Ralph Lawler

The one thing I've found is that the "axis of evil" (I'm being sarcastic you sensitive susies) tends to not even be in agreement with each other on plenty of issues yet they'll never debate each other on those issues. They just jump on the **** parade. That's cool though.. every party needs a pooper.

Buddy The Elf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 03:36 PM
  #142
Gentle Ben Kenobi
That's no moon......
 
Gentle Ben Kenobi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Tatooine
Posts: 19,087
vCash: 863
I am pro Sutter hockey. That game was the best the Kings played in a long time.

Gentle Ben Kenobi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 03:47 PM
  #143
Jason Lewis
Hockey's Future Staff
 
Jason Lewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 5,014
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nex06 View Post
You missed the point completely.
And you clearly miss the point on the legality of NHL hits.

Jason Lewis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 03:51 PM
  #144
Chazz Reinhold
Registered User
 
Chazz Reinhold's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Stanley Cup
Country: United States
Posts: 6,936
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by HansH View Post
25-19-2 would give the Kings 91 points, or a tie with Nashville - to actually lock it down, I would say 25-18-3 (or better, 26-19-1). So, that's a seven-game winning streak followed by .500 hockey.
Ugh how did I mess that math up...

Chazz Reinhold is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 04:10 PM
  #145
Gentle Ben Kenobi
That's no moon......
 
Gentle Ben Kenobi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Tatooine
Posts: 19,087
vCash: 863
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chazz Reinhold View Post
Ugh how did I mess that math up...
Here are my guesses

1- beer
2- distracted by an attractive woman
3- a voodoo curse from PSP
4- the liberal media

Gentle Ben Kenobi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-28-2011, 05:44 PM
  #146
KINGS17
Smartest in the Room
 
KINGS17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 15,533
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy The Elf View Post
I hope the Kings lose tonight. Beat that!
Will it hasten Lombardi's firing so the Kings can get back to giving up picks and young talent to acquire exciting stars (past their prime) from other teams? Then when that doesn't work we can rush 19 year olds to the NHL and hope they are the next Luc Robitaille.

When that happens and it's all said and done we'll have glorious memories of being able to buy a ticket in the 300's and move down the to 100's in the 2nd period because there are vacant seats everywhere.

Ahhh, good times!! Can't wait!! As long as Lombardi is fired, because he is the "real" problem for trying to ditch this organization's "anything can happen if you just make the playoffs" attitude.

KINGS17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-29-2011, 09:32 AM
  #147
kingsfan
#SutterforanOscar
 
kingsfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,939
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomd View Post
Well I certainly don't want to disappoint you. I've always believed that being negative after a win is bad form.

I will say, however, that Phoenix dominated long stretches of the game and the kings won mainly on the strength (weakness?) of horrible goaltending by JLB.

And you are right - tonight should be a truer test.

Have I redeemed myself?
Sure have! You showed how the Kings can't win unless the other team puts a big bow on it. Living up to your typical anti-Kings mantra. At least you had the balls to post though.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lakingsdrummer View Post
While I don't agree with everything those two say, none of our wins can prove their points wrong. This team is far from out of the woods.

Now, if in a few weeks we have won 9 of 10 or have beaten some top teams with conviction then I'd thumb my nose at these guys but until then I say let's just be happy with our win over the Coyotes.
I'm not necessarily against what they say either. It's the fact that they only post the negative and completely ignore the positive that's annoying. Like the quote from tomd above, we win, but let's ignore anything good LA does and state it's largely because of Labs. Labs helped, no doubt, but we still needed to do something right. That's never pointed out though.

kingsfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-29-2011, 10:53 AM
  #148
Buddy The Elf
Kings!
 
Buddy The Elf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Belmont Shore
Country: United States
Posts: 9,629
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingsfan View Post
Sure have! You showed how the Kings can't win unless the other team puts a big bow on it. Living up to your typical anti-Kings mantra. At least you had the balls to post though.
When the Kings win, it is lucky. When they lose it is because they are an inferior team. Boston beat Phoenix 2-1 last night. That is right, they scored a whopping 2 goals on Jason Labarbara and it took them going to OT to do it.

And the Kings passed tomd's test... yay!!!

Buddy The Elf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-29-2011, 11:09 AM
  #149
Dave33
Still smiling
 
Dave33's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,364
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Little Bunny Foo Foo View Post
I am pro Sutter hockey. That game was the best the Kings played in a long time.
I was very against hiring him, but so far this crow tastes delicious.

Dave33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
12-29-2011, 11:16 AM
  #150
Buddy The Elf
Kings!
 
Buddy The Elf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Belmont Shore
Country: United States
Posts: 9,629
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave33 View Post
I was very against hiring him, but so far this crow tastes delicious.
I wasn't either but he has done, so far, what I thought he would which is motivate the players and get them back to the level they were at before and not much better than that. I guess time will tell but I'm not expecting Darryl Sutter to get the Kings into the top 1/3 of the league in offense and I feel that is their biggest need if they want to compete for the Cup. Loved his comment the other day to Hammond about having a raspy voice saying he was "chearleading". I'm not sure if the players ever heard Murray's voice while they were on the bench.

Buddy The Elf is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:37 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.