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12-28-2011, 03:46 PM
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12-28-2011, 06:33 PM
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Your blogs become a daily read of mine, keep it up,
Same for me. If i miss a game its my go to read.

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Noesen 2g
Prince 1g 1a
Pageau 1g 2a
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Stone 1g and a missed penalty shot for Team Canada


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Noesen 2g
Prince 1g 1a
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Stone 1g and a missed penalty shot for Team Canada
And what about Zibanejad 12SOG! 22.6% of Sweden's shot vs the Swiss(total 53)

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12-28-2011, 11:55 PM
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And what about Zibanejad 12SOG! 22.6% of Sweden's shot vs the Swiss(total 53)
Looked great out there today, should really be converted to the wing though

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12-29-2011, 09:46 AM
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It seems like Silfverberg will make his comeback in tomorrow's game against Växjö Lakers. Rehab went faster than expected. Also, he might play with number 100 on his back for the rest of the season.

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12-29-2011, 10:14 AM
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Wait, seriously? Number 100?

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12-29-2011, 10:18 AM
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Wait, seriously? Number 100?
He has been quoted in a magazine as saying "Im better than Gretsky, so i will wear 99+1".

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12-29-2011, 10:29 AM
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Wait, seriously? Number 100?
The club Brynäs was founded in 1912 so they want to celebrate 100 years. Dackell was supposed to wear the #100 but since he's injured it seems like Silfverberg will do it instead. But I must point out that this is just something I heard, time will tell if it's true, but it seems LIKELY.

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12-29-2011, 11:26 AM
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That would be so ****ing cool.

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That would be so ****ing cool.
It's officially confirmed now, http://brynas.se/Nyheter/Silfverberg...ja-nummer-100/

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12-29-2011, 01:48 PM
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Joy (@PSBJoyOnTheSens) has somewhat good news on Wiercioch,

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Wiercioch does not have the OK for much physical activity, but has another appointment that could clear him for more soon.

Kleinendorst on Wiercioch's health: "There is no question he is going to get back to 100 percent. It's just a matter of when."

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12-29-2011, 02:18 PM
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According to the Sens twitter, they signed Noesen and Puempel to ELCs

probably to cheer them up from not getting WJC camp invites

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Good news to hear that Wiercoch is getting back. But that puts his development back another year, oy.

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Good news to hear that Wiercoch is getting back. But that puts his development back another year, oy.
How the hell do you figure he has lost another year of development?

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Two days ago, ESPN’s Alvin Chang released his ‘Biggest draft busts since 1990′. To no one’s surprise, the Ottawa Senators have a notorious draft selection by the name of Alexandre Daigle featured within it’s contents. Surprisingly, he’s only listed at number three while blue-line stalwart Chris Phillips is currently listed at number five.

Chang developed this list using a metric called Goals Versus Threshold (GVT). Developed by Tom Awad of Hockey Prospectus, GVT is an objective player evaluation method that combines all of a player’s statistics and calculates his contribution in 4 categories: offensive, defensive, goaltending and shootout. Awad’s metric determined that Daigle, and to a lesser degree Phillips, turned out to be busts based on a combination of their statistics and subsequent performance on the ice. What it tells us is that the Sens are simply not afraid to take risks throughout the entirety of their regime. Those risks made this organization make the playoffs for 11 consecutive seasons and 12 out of their last 13 before missing last year’s postseason.

Read More: http://nhlhotstove.com/senators-iden...-reward-risks/

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Anyone who deems Phillips a bust from that draft just doesn't follow hockey.

It's pretty funny to see American baseball 'experts' try to apply all the statistical bs to hockey. Hockey cannot be evaluated from a quantitative standpoint. Only quantitative evaluation matters in this sport.

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12-29-2011, 09:52 PM
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Two days ago, ESPN’s Alvin Chang released his ‘Biggest draft busts since 1990′. To no one’s surprise, the Ottawa Senators have a notorious draft selection by the name of Alexandre Daigle featured within it’s contents. Surprisingly, he’s only listed at number three while blue-line stalwart Chris Phillips is currently listed at number five.

Chang developed this list using a metric called Goals Versus Threshold (GVT). Developed by Tom Awad of Hockey Prospectus, GVT is an objective player evaluation method that combines all of a player’s statistics and calculates his contribution in 4 categories: offensive, defensive, goaltending and shootout. Awad’s metric determined that Daigle, and to a lesser degree Phillips, turned out to be busts based on a combination of their statistics and subsequent performance on the ice. What it tells us is that the Sens are simply not afraid to take risks throughout the entirety of their regime. Those risks made this organization make the playoffs for 11 consecutive seasons and 12 out of their last 13 before missing last year’s postseason.

Read More: http://nhlhotstove.com/senators-iden...-reward-risks/
Saying chris phillips is a bust proves nothing but the fact your "stat" is inaccurate and useless. Ask anybody here who has watched his career and nobody will agree with your nonsense.

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12-29-2011, 10:03 PM
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Anyone who deems Phillips a bust from that draft just doesn't follow hockey.

It's pretty funny to see American baseball 'experts' try to apply all the statistical bs to hockey. Hockey cannot be evaluated from a quantitative standpoint. Only quantitative evaluation matters in this sport.
Tom Awad is from Montreal.

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12-29-2011, 10:08 PM
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I used to think Chris Phillips was a bust, actually.

I knew very little back then though.

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12-29-2011, 10:09 PM
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Tom Awad is from Montreal.
Doesn't matter. You see these goofs coming up with tons of garbage stats every year. Corsi, this gvt... It just goes on and on. The amusing part is that people eat that **** up. Stats are great for these American sports like baseball and football but it will NEVER translate to the rink.

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12-29-2011, 10:12 PM
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Doesn't matter. You see these goofs coming up with tons of garbage stats every year. Corsi, this gvt... It just goes on and on. The amusing part is that people eat that **** up. Stats are great for these American sports like baseball and football but it will NEVER translate to the rink.
trent is going to be up all night coming up with calculations to prove you wrong, bro.

The word "goof" is not used enough around here, bravo

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12-29-2011, 10:17 PM
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Doesn't matter. You see these goofs coming up with tons of garbage stats every year. Corsi, this gvt... It just goes on and on. The amusing part is that people eat that **** up. Stats are great for these American sports like baseball and football but it will NEVER translate to the rink.
Corsi's been around for a longtime, just sometimes by a different name. Harry Sinden had people tracking shot differential during the Summit Series.

They already translate to the rink. And plenty of the better teams are using them; San Jose, Boston, Vancouver, Nashville, etc.

EDIT: Probably should add I haven't read that ESPN piece (paywall), but from what I've read of it I'm not persuaded. Basic stats can be misleading just as the advanced ones can without the proper context. This is one of those cases. Is Chris Phillips one of the better #1 picks of the last 20 years? No. Is he one of the better player's in the '96 class? Absolutely.

I'm also not sure if this piece was prefaced with the disclaimer that GVT tends to underrate defensive defenceman. This is something the architects of this stat fully admit.


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Doesn't matter. You see these goofs coming up with tons of garbage stats every year. Corsi, this gvt... It just goes on and on. The amusing part is that people eat that **** up. Stats are great for these American sports like baseball and football but it will NEVER translate to the rink.
I don't know if statistical analysis, like Sabremetrics in baseball, can be written off yet for hockey. But I think we can agree that the conclusions being made in that article are pretty ridiculous.

The decisions from when Daigle was drafted are so incredibly removed from anything happening today, or even in the last 15 years. Every decision maker has changed at least once. It's totally irrelevant.

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