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12-28-2011, 09:40 PM
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By the time Burrows signs his next contract, and at the rate that salaries are growing season by season, a contract in the $4-4.5 million range would be fair.

If Ville Leino makes $4.5 million a season, then Burrows will make at least $4 million in two years.
Leino might be the worst UFA signing of the offseason.

It's possible that Alex just chases the money. It wouldn't be in keeping with what he's shown so far, but he's got to be kicking himself a bit for leaving so much money on the table last contract. That's why 3.5M/yr for 4 years might be what both sides settle on. The contract takes him more or less to retirement and the generous term is the deferred payment.

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12-28-2011, 09:49 PM
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I'd pay Burrows as much as $4-$4.5m per year on his next deal. The guy is 30-goal capable while being an asset in all ends of the ice and having a penchant for coming up big in clutch situations. We can't afford to let him walk, IMO. One of the most important forwards on the team.

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12-28-2011, 10:08 PM
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This is what you wrote:
"Does he pull an Ansen Carter and try to leverage his time with the Twins..."You're making the comparison there.

You also wrote:
if he tries to "max out" his salary based on the stats he posted with the twins (i.e. 4.5+) then the comparison would be quite valid.

So you see I read what you wrote, in fact I quoted it in my earlier posts. To summarize you said a comparison would be valid if Burrows tries to get a contract based on production with the Sedins. I disagree. I said you cannot compare the two players' merits in negotiating a contract with or without the Sedins.
Your comprehension is horrible.

I said "does he pull an "Ansen Carter", I never said he will, and thus I wasn't making a negative comment on Burrows..

I was simply pointing out that he is in a similar situation, not that they are similar players.

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12-28-2011, 10:18 PM
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If Burr doesn't at least $3.5 per year in his new deal, he needs to fire his agent. Probably could've gotten twice that from Tallon is he was a UFA last year.

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12-28-2011, 10:18 PM
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A 4 year extension takes him to 35.

I love Burr but he doesn't strike me as the type who will still be effective in his mid 30's.
Wouldn't he actually be 36 (April 2017) before a 4-year extension would run out?

Totally agree with what you're getting at here.

Give him a 2-year extension and take it from there....

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12-28-2011, 10:21 PM
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Leino might be the worst UFA signing of the offseason.

It's possible that Alex just chases the money. It wouldn't be in keeping with what he's shown so far, but he's got to be kicking himself a bit for leaving so much money on the table last contract. That's why 3.5M/yr for 4 years might be what both sides settle on. The contract takes him more or less to retirement and the generous term is the deferred payment.
I agree that Ville Leino is overpaid. However, as I said in my post, if the salary cap continues to grow, and if Burrows continues to play the way he is playing now, a fair contract would be in the $4-4.5 million range. If he would have signed a new contract a season or two ago, a fair contract would have been in the $3-3.5 million range, despite his play not changing too much in the last 3 years.

As the salary cap grows, so do player salaries.

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12-28-2011, 11:00 PM
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I agree that Ville Leino is overpaid. However, as I said in my post, if the salary cap continues to grow, and if Burrows continues to play the way he is playing now, a fair contract would be in the $4-4.5 million range. If he would have signed a new contract a season or two ago, a fair contract would have been in the $3-3.5 million range, despite his play not changing too much in the last 3 years.

As the salary cap grows, so do player salaries.
I think 12m/3 years is fair. I think 14/4years is better for both parties. Lower cap hit and Burrows pockets an additional 2M.

What I don't want to see is what happened with Jay Pandolfo and the Devils happening with Burrows and the Canucks. That would be tragic.

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12-29-2011, 07:44 AM
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I think Burrows is still underrated. He seems to keep getting better even at his age, he has heart, he is one of the smartest players on the team and has great offensive instinct(imo he has been a bit snake bitten so far this year and will end up with more points then he is on pace for), he is a incredible penalty killer and checker and he looks like a perfect locker room guy. As a UFA I think he can get 4-5 year 5mill contract, I think he would live up to it too. Hopefully the Canucks can get him a god deal in the 4 per range. I wouldn't mind a 8+6+4+3+2+1+0.5+0.5 eight year deal with a NTC for say the first 4 years an maybe a limited one after. Nicely front loaded to reward him with a decent cap hit for the team. I think he is the type of player that would keep playing until the bitter end but after the fourth year the possibility of a buy out or demotion in the worst case scenario becomes open.

Personally I see him like a better Kris Draper, I think he will be worth the money and baring major injuries will play in to his late 30's and be worth the cap hit of around 3.1mill.

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12-29-2011, 11:23 AM
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Wouldn't he actually be 36 (April 2017) before a 4-year extension would run out?

Totally agree with what you're getting at here.

Give him a 2-year extension and take it from there....
Eating one or two years of a contract wouldn't be that much of a financial burden to the club if it had to come to that (eg., we aren't talking about an unrealistic number like say, Ballard's contract).

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I think Burrows is still underrated. He seems to keep getting better even at his age, he has heart, he is one of the smartest players on the team and has great offensive instinct(imo he has been a bit snake bitten so far this year and will end up with more points then he is on pace for), he is a incredible penalty killer and checker and he looks like a perfect locker room guy. As a UFA I think he can get 4-5 year 5mill contract, I think he would live up to it too. Hopefully the Canucks can get him a god deal in the 4 per range. I wouldn't mind a 8+6+4+3+2+1+0.5+0.5 eight year deal with a NTC for say the first 4 years an maybe a limited one after. Nicely front loaded to reward him with a decent cap hit for the team. I think he is the type of player that would keep playing until the bitter end but after the fourth year the possibility of a buy out or demotion in the worst case scenario becomes open.

Personally I see him like a better Kris Draper, I think he will be worth the money and baring major injuries will play in to his late 30's and be worth the cap hit of around 3.1mill.
Spot on, his intangibles are insane. I think 3.5-4 mill a year would be a great deal!

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12-29-2011, 12:56 PM
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I think Burrows might be the best PKer in the NHL, but obviously I'm a bit biased. He's just a dog on a bone out there every single time, scores shorthanded goals/generates opportunites, but he never really takes any unnecessary risks in order to generate those chances. He just reacts very quickly to loose pucks.

Independant of the Sedins I think Burrows is a 1st line NHL RWer when you look at the competition. With the Sedins he might be one of the 3 best in the NHL in terms of total package (not that you'd take him over every other RWer, obviously). He's just filthy good.

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12-29-2011, 01:20 PM
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Spot on, his intangibles are insane.
If they are intangibles, how can you be sure that Burrows has them?

A George Carlinesque observation.

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12-29-2011, 01:38 PM
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Wouldn't he actually be 36 (April 2017) before a 4-year extension would run out?

Totally agree with what you're getting at here.

Give him a 2-year extension and take it from there....
He could turn into a really effective 4th liner in his later years, as a PK specialist who plays really good 2-way hockey. The 4th line doesn't always have to be fast guys who bash hard and put up a lot of energy. It can also be a shutdown line and I think Burrows could serve that well, even if his speed and scoring tail off after the next couple years.

I think he'll want at least 4 years as a 2-year would be giving up the rest of his prime. Maybe they could do a longer 5-year contract to end his career, and have it go something like 4-3-3-2-1 for cap hit? Would that be fair/beneficial to both sides?

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12-29-2011, 01:56 PM
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I see him being effective well past 35 years old. He is a fast skater now and even if he slows up a bit, 3rd line play will be suitable for him.

Longer deal to lower the caphit is ok with me. E.g. $3.5m for 6 years.

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12-29-2011, 02:00 PM
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If they are intangibles, how can you be sure that Burrows has them?

A George Carlinesque observation.
He scores pretty high on the Toews-meter.

Burrows said at the time of his last signing that it was more about the contract security than the money. I think he'll feel the same way next time around too. My guess is 4 years, 14 million, front loaded.

5, 4, 3, 2

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12-29-2011, 02:21 PM
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It's great news that Burrows is playing more disciplined. When he's disciplined he is one of our best players.

For example: In the first 3 rounds of last year's playoffs, Burrows had 14 points, a +4, and had 6 PIMs in 18 games. In the final round against the Bruins, he had 3 points, a -4, and had 18 PIMs in 7 games. So when he is focused on the game, he is an extremely effective player. He just needs to avoid taking stupid penalties and being distracted, because he doesn't play very well when he does.


Anyways, for any Canucks fan it's impossible not to the like the guy. I honestly hope he stays a Canuck for life.

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12-29-2011, 02:32 PM
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When he signed his contract in 09 after his breakout season with the Sedins, he signed at only 2 mil despite scoring 28 goals and 51 points, because in hos own words, he's nothing more than a glorified 3rd liner in a good position, so he should be payed like one. Hopefully he still feels the same way in a year and half.
This.

Does Burr really want to risk a big payday or just getting 2-3M to play with the Sedins, one of thee, if not thee, best duos in the NHL? He has a lot of buds on this team, and everyone in the city loves him. I'd hate to see Burr demand big money AND expect to play with the Sedins. I don't think he's that type of a person however, he knows his in an awesome position when he really should've been a career 3rd liner.

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12-29-2011, 07:43 PM
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For those who haven't seen it yet, probably the best article I've ever seen on Burrows - written by Jeff Angus. It touches on his decline in PIM's, but goes into great detail on Burrows' path to the NHL and much more.

PERCEPTION VS. REALITY – THE ALEX BURROWS STORY

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12-29-2011, 08:22 PM
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6y/19.5m contract would be a pretty good one for both sides, imo. Low cap hit of 3.25 million a season. Works well for the team because they can spread the cap hit over 6 seasons and Burrows could still conceivably play at a decent level at his age 35-37 seasons. If not, the first 3 seasons could more than make up for it. Good for Burrows because he can give himself more financial security whereas signing just a 3 or 4 year contract may not get him as much money from the Canucks, but it will take him to age 34 or 35 where his options may be limited.

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Sign him for 6 years: 4.5, 4.5, 3, 2, 1, 1
That's 16mil in 6 yrs, which means a 2.67mil/yr cap hit.

This gives Burrows the financial security
and also gives the Canucks the flexibility in salary cap.
Win-win situation!

Btw, give him a no-trade-clause, just cuz we aren't going to trade him anyways...

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I would also rather see him get a longer term with a lower cap hit than a shorter term with a higher cap hit. Burrows just strikes me as the kind of player that will always find ways to contribute and make the team better, even when he's past his prime.

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I think Burrows knows he won't score at the same rate without the Sedins. However, this is his last contract and he knows it. I think he'll go long term and get around 3.25-3.5 million average

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Burrows' is becoming very Drury'esque while he was on the Avs. Didn't set the world on fire with points but always could be counted on for a clutch goal.

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If David Booth is worth over $4m, surely Burrows could fetch something North of that.

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Burrows straight up for Subban.

There... I said it.

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