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01-02-2012, 12:38 AM
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DP had 32 wins the year we made the playoffs.

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Okay, I concede. Rick DiPietro was an AMAZING goaltender. He was on his way to the Hall Of Fame. He was the justified face of this franchise and worth every gamble this franchise made for him. He was an amazing All-Star and an amazing Olympian. His greatness was ruined by a concussion in 2007, and obviously, most of the fans got a concussion, too, because most of them have forgotten how amazing DiPietro was. You're right. He was MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better than Mike Richter. After all, Mike Richter had a concussion at the end of his career, and DiPietro's came in his prime. He could have been the best goaltender ever, and it was so obvious. It's a shame that we forgot. All of the "haters", as they're called, should check their memories. There's plenty of video available. #39 on the ice, and #1 in our hearts.

And for the nimrod who wants to bust my chops for the Trottier mistake. Though, I was mistaken in terms of the time when he left his perch in the office, I did see him play for the lion's share of his career. I'd rather that be the case.

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Keep the Ricky talk in the Ricky thread

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Keep the Ricky talk in the Ricky thread
Honestly, I think there should be two threads for DiPietro: one for the fans who can see DiPietro for what he is. And another for those who want to harp on his 73 save performance in 2000 and his decent season in 06-07.

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well it was better than just decent. It was a damn fine season. but whatever, I think most fans know what Rick is by now & I can't imagine anyone actually believing he'll ever get back to that form again.

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this was supposed to be a simple richter and dipietro comparison and i wanted to discuss that... bauer warrior decided to make his pure hatred for dp known once again on here and ruined what cldve been just a simple discussion on a video and an article i saw...

bauer lets try this before u destroy this guy like u do every chance u get lets put u in his position and well all see how u pan out...100 bucks says u dont make it past getting your pads on...dont **** on him until uve walked a mile in his shoes or anyone eles for that matter

bet if ricky stayed healthy on was winning us over 35 games every year ud be on his shaft pretty quick

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Up until his injuries the sky was the limit for DP. I think if we rewind all the bs that happened with him back to the 06-07 season there wouldn't be a poster here that wouldn't be pumped to have him in the net. But sadly that all came to a crashing halt. I still remember the two games that made me realize that DP wouldn't be the same. The first was a game vs Toronto during Christmas time when DP made a surprising spot start(in a 4-1 win). He just looked hurt the whole time, basically stretching in between ever stoppage and just being beyond careful in his movements, almost a precursor to what we see today from him. The second was that Dallas game in which he finally made his comeback. I was excited to see him back but you just knew something was wrong, thought it was rust but it really was DP, his body just isn't the same and doesn't allow for the style that he was used to playing.

Concerning Richter he was the only Ranger in the 90's I didn't hate, loved watching him play it was almost a treat. But I never realized that he only had a winning record 5 out of his 14 seasons with the Rags. That was actually quite surprising. Close to 500 a lot of those seasons so it wasn't a wide discrepancy but I thought he had a winning record almost ever year.

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well it was better than just decent. It was a damn fine season. but whatever, I think most fans know what Rick is by now & I can't imagine anyone actually believing he'll ever get back to that form again.
Yes it was. DiPietro single-handily willed the Islanders to the playoffs that year. After the ASG, he had three regulation losses--two of them we were shutout against the devils, and the other we were robbed against the Rags when they called off what video later showed was a good-goal. Think about that. He lost ONE game where we scored after the ASG. And even that one should've went to OT.

I think he's done now, as the surgeries have done a number on him. But to suggest that he was only "average" or "okay" that season is ridiculous.

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this was supposed to be a simple richter and dipietro comparison and i wanted to discuss that... bauer warrior decided to make his pure hatred for dp known once again on here and ruined what cldve been just a simple discussion on a video and an article i saw...

bauer lets try this before u destroy this guy like u do every chance u get lets put u in his position and well all see how u pan out...100 bucks says u dont make it past getting your pads on...dont **** on him until uve walked a mile in his shoes or anyone eles for that matter

bet if ricky stayed healthy on was winning us over 35 games every year ud be on his shaft pretty quick
If I walked four steps in his shoes, I would have retired, and not because of a bad groin. The guy is not a good goalie, he never was a good goalie, and the only reason why some Islander fan think he was any good is because he's the only goalie who's been force-fed to them. The franchise is so bad now, that even if a fan's been a fan for 20 years, the bar for overall performance and goaltending is so low, that this guy might seem like a goaltending god. Even in his semi-decent year of 2006-07, he was inconsistent at best.

DiPietro v. Richter is of no comparison.

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01-02-2012, 11:21 AM
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I just adore when people harp on his "undying love" for the tem.

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hate on him all u want but after watchin this video itll remind you haters how good he could be and how much fun it was to watch NOT TO MENTION HE ACTUALLY LOVED THIS TEAM AND OUR HOME LONG ISLAND!!
Of course he loved them, they drafted him number 1 when he should have been a second rounder at best. They handed him the keys to the kingdom without him ever EARNING anything. They gave him a lifetime contract and he has an in with the owner and GM. Not to mention he knows he'll never be relased. Who wouldn't love the team?

It seems when people who support him realize that he has never been anything more then an average to below average NHL goaltender, they drag out his passion and love for the game and the team. If he found himself on another team tommorrow he'd profess his love for that team and that city just as much. The fact people believe his BS is comical.

Then again the fact people think he was ever good is equally as comical.

As a lifelong Isles fan and being old enough to rememebr Richter playing and the Rags winning the cup, bringing Rick DiPietro into a conversation with Mike Richter is an embarassment to Richter. DiPietro couldn't hold Richter's jock during Richter's worst year. I hate the Rags as mhc as anyone else, but this comparison is, again, very comical.

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Of course he loved them, they drafted him number 1 when he should have been a second rounder at best. They handed him the keys to the kingdom without him ever EARNING anything.
Don't quite understand the need to exaggerate here. By whose standards should he have been a 2nd rounder at best? I certainly don't recall him being ranked around that heading into the draft. Quite the contrary - was he not expected to go top 10?

Whereas him being pretty fast-tracked to the NHL with a few games in Chicago was lacking in logic and class, they did ultimately have him down on the farm for a full year where he was a solid #1 who led his AHL team to the Calder Cup finals. That would earn most #1 drafted players a trip to the show the next season in any franchise.

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It seems when people who support him realize that he has never been anything more then an average to below average NHL goaltender, they drag out his passion and love for the game and the team.

Then again the fact people think he was ever good is equally as comical.
I think some people try to argue that he's better than his numbers actually say he ever was.

Still, you're arguing something that has little merit. Everybody from Team USA to the All-Star Game decision-makers saw it differently than you are stating.

We should call it as it is: We're never going to know how good he may have been sans his injury history. At the peak of his developmental swing, it looked like he was going to be able to be a solid #1 goaltender in the NHL, maybe even for a successful franchise. When at his best, he was winning some games on his own. His numbers have rarely been more than average and technically, he was not the soundest goaltender. The propensity to wander bit him in the behind at times even back in his heyday. His competitive nature was often the key to some victories, or even a bit of a downfall. To top it off, his entire style of goaltending has confused a number of Dmen along the way.

But no matter what we think of what he could have become, we shouldn't be disingenuous to his pre-setback possibilities and what any fan of the NHL game with any real knowledge about the sport could have seen.

Rick had good possibilities. That time has passed.


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Don't quite understand the need to exaggerate here. By whose standards should he have been a 2nd rounder at best? I certainly don't recall him being ranked around that are heading into the draft. Quite the contrary - was he not expected to go top 10?

Whereas him being pretty fast-tracked to the NHL with a few games in Chicago was lacking in logic and class, they did ultimately have him down on the farm for a full year where he was a solid #1 who led his AHL team to the Calder Cup finals. That would earn most #1 drafted players a trip to the show the next season in any franchise.
Fair enough. Lets just say a lot of "experts" made a huge mistake in saying he was top 10. Al lot of the pre draft reports that year actually put him up there based on his brash attitude and not his actual playing ability. Go figure.

Seeing the bust he turned into proves he was a 2nd rounder at best.

I agree, he earned a trip to the show but not the number one job, however, Management just handed it to him. Management also always gave him back the number 1 job back whenever he came back form injury.

For God's sake, they dealt away Chris Osgood to give DiPietro the number one job.

Oh and for what it's worth, while he did make the Calder Cup finals, he lost. In fact, he's never won a championship of any kind in his career, not in the pro's, not in the minors, not in college, not in the olympics, not in juniors. Nothing, nada, zip. He holds the NCAA record for most saves in a game, a game he lost. His resume proudly shows one Beanpot tourney win. That's it.

Has been and always will be a loser.

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DP had 32 wins the year we made the playoffs.
32 wins is not what it was 10 years earlier. It's hard to get a grasp on the quality of those wins because of how the rules have changed. I'm not sure how many of those wins were real wins and how many came in the shootout.

But still, he was never consistent.

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Woulda, coulda, didn't. Whether you- love him, hate him, are right or wrong or both, the fact is he is done. He needs to go, he is a distraction, and him continuing to get any form of support from the Islanders while Chuck let's REAL talent like Tavares and Hamonic rot on the vine with NO support is an insult of the highest order to the players and to us the fans.

Think about that next time lame-boy gets to start in net while Tavares plays along side of the Wisconsin Mighty Midgets.

DiPietro gets a twelve marine escort into the crease and his butt wiped personally by the owner every period and Tavares gets to have his jaw restructured by Pronger because Wang hates on the rest of his club with minimal support.

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DiPietro is such an easy target, but it's hard not to feel sorry for the guy. I ALWAYS loved how competitive he is. I love that in a player (especially a goalie). The dude just wants to win. Would love to see him stay healthy for a while.
Oh, the irony! He wants to win, but can't stop pucks. That's like the people who want to be rich, but won't work!

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DiPietro is such an easy target, but it's hard not to feel sorry for the guy. I ALWAYS loved how competitive he is. I love that in a player (especially a goalie). The dude just wants to win. Would love to see him stay healthy for a while.
Where does this "he's so competative" crap come from all the time? It's like the final attempt in a losing arguement. Show me a professional athelete who isn't competative, Santonio Holmes excluded.

I'd like to know exactly what you base his "competativeness" on?

Do you see him at practice? Are you in the locker room? Do you watch him rehab? No, no and no. So just how do you come up with this judgement? Is it because he says so? What else would you expect him to say? "I'm faking it and really just want to collect my money?"

News flash, Tavares is competative, Moulson is competeative, Montoya is competatvie, Bossy was competative, Nystrom was competative, you want me to keep going? Hell even Kvasha was competative. They are professional athletes, they are supposed to be competative.

He just wants to win? Duh, so does everyone else in the league.

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Where does this "he's so competative" crap come from all the time? It's like the final attempt in a losing arguement. Show me a professional athelete who isn't competative, Santonio Holmes excluded.

I'd like to know exactly what you base his "competativeness" on?

Do you see him at practice? Are you in the locker room? Do you watch him rehab? No, no and no. So just how do you come up with this judgement? Is it because he says so? What else would you expect him to say? "I'm faking it and really just want to collect my money?"

News flash, Tavares is competative, Moulson is competeative, Montoya is competatvie, Bossy was competative, Nystrom was competative, you want me to keep going? Hell even Kvasha was competative. They are professional athletes, they are supposed to be competative.

He just wants to win? Duh, so does everyone else in the league.

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He needs to pull a Roloson. Completely change his style and succeed or continue on the road to complete bodily breakdown

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Fair enough. Lets just say a lot of "experts" made a huge mistake in saying he was top 10. Al lot of the pre draft reports that year actually put him up there based on his brash attitude and not his actual playing ability. Go figure.

Seeing the bust he turned into proves he was a 2nd rounder at best.

I agree, he earned a trip to the show but not the number one job, however, Management just handed it to him. Management also always gave him back the number 1 job back whenever he came back form injury.

For God's sake, they dealt away Chris Osgood to give DiPietro the number one job.

Oh and for what it's worth, while he did make the Calder Cup finals, he lost. In fact, he's never won a championship of any kind in his career, not in the pro's, not in the minors, not in college, not in the olympics, not in juniors. Nothing, nada, zip. He holds the NCAA record for most saves in a game, a game he lost. His resume proudly shows one Beanpot tourney win. That's it.

Has been and always will be a loser.
Honest question: Do you not remember history, or do you just make things up?

Chris Osgood was traded not for DiPietro to become the starter, but rather because he was playing TERRIBLE & GMG was having a career year. Rick became the start partway through the next season (03-04) since Garth fell off terribly as well.

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Honest question: Do you not remember history, or do you just make things up?

Chris Osgood was traded not for DiPietro to become the starter, but rather because he was playing TERRIBLE & GMG was having a career year. Rick became the start partway through the next season (03-04) since Garth fell off terribly as well.
To correct you, Osgood had an awful start, as did the team, as Osgood was modifying his technique to compliment the Lavy run-and-gun system. BOTH failed. Oz went back to playing his style and ended his slump before the team got out of their slump.

9-9-5 through December 21 (when he replaced DP, then they put DP back in to **** the bed even more), but then he went 8-4 before Milbury got us Papineau to help us win the Cup or get DP playing time - whichever rationale seems more plausible since Oz turned down the drop in pay offered in the summer of '02, flustering Wang, after his record tying 32 win season.

Snow did have a very good run after the team got their heads out of their arses, though. DP......had to beat Snow after his Wade Flaherty heroics. The season......well, we were discussing the Samsonov/DP trade that summer. History could have been soooo much different if Osgood got some movement from the team in contract talks. He did later say he regretted not taking the offer while he was with the Blues.

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If I walked four steps in his shoes, I would have retired, and not because of a bad groin. The guy is not a good goalie, he never was a good goalie, and the only reason why some Islander fan think he was any good is because he's the only goalie who's been force-fed to them. The franchise is so bad now, that even if a fan's been a fan for 20 years, the bar for overall performance and goaltending is so low, that this guy might seem like a goaltending god. Even in his semi-decent year of 2006-07, he was inconsistent at best.
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Of course he loved them, they drafted him number 1 when he should have been a second rounder at best. They handed him the keys to the kingdom without him ever EARNING anything. They gave him a lifetime contract and he has an in with the owner and GM. Not to mention he knows he'll never be relased. Who wouldn't love the team?

It seems when people who support him realize that he has never been anything more then an average to below average NHL goaltender, they drag out his passion and love for the game and the team. If he found himself on another team tommorrow he'd profess his love for that team and that city just as much. The fact people believe his BS is comical.

Then again the fact people think he was ever good is equally as comical.
Even more comical is the revisionist history some people inexplicably use to kick the guy when he's down, as exhibited in the posts quoted here (among others). "Semi-decent year"? "Second rounder at best"? Give me a break.

As someone who was never high on Rick and considered Draft Day 2000 a disaster even when things were looking up, I take little pleasure in saying Rick was very good in his all-star year. Even ignoring what I saw in his play and going by the numbers, his SV% that year (often the most telling goalie stat IMO) was 6th among goalies who played at least 10 games. He seemed to be maturing, was starting to shed the bad habits that made most of us think he'd never live up to the billing, and briefly even made it seem like Milbury knew what he was doing. Unfortunately, the injury bug then set in and has effectively finished off his career, so we'll never know how good he might've been.

To summarize, there are plenty of legitimate negative things one could say about Ricky and his career - no need to make things up entirely and **** on the few accomplishments he's actually had.

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To correct you, Osgood had an awful start, as did the team, as Osgood was modifying his technique to compliment the Lavy run-and-gun system. BOTH failed. Oz went back to playing his style and ended his slump before the team got out of their slump.

9-9-5 through December 21 (when he replaced DP, then they put DP back in to **** the bed even more), but then he went 8-4 before Milbury got us Papineau to help us win the Cup or get DP playing time - whichever rationale seems more plausible since Oz turned down the drop in pay offered in the summer of '02, flustering Wang, after his record tying 32 win season.

Snow did have a very good run after the team got their heads out of their arses, though. DP......had to beat Snow after his Wade Flaherty heroics. The season......well, we were discussing the Samsonov/DP trade that summer. History could have been soooo much different if Osgood got some movement from the team in contract talks. He did later say he regretted not taking the offer while he was with the Blues.
Thank you for looking up the numbers so I didn't have to. If memory serves, I believe Osgood was just coming off injury when they foolishly dealt him.

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Even more comical is the revisionist history some people inexplicably use to kick the guy when he's down, as exhibited in the posts quoted here (among others). "Semi-decent year"? "Second rounder at best"? Give me a break.

As someone who was never high on Rick and considered Draft Day 2000 a disaster even when things were looking up, I take little pleasure in saying Rick was very good in his all-star year. Even ignoring what I saw in his play and going by the numbers, his SV% that year (often the most telling goalie stat IMO) was 6th among goalies who played at least 10 games. He seemed to be maturing, was starting to shed the bad habits that made most of us think he'd never live up to the billing, and briefly even made it seem like Milbury knew what he was doing. Unfortunately, the injury bug then set in and has effectively finished off his career, so we'll never know how good he might've been.

To summarize, there are plenty of legitimate negative things one could say about Ricky and his career - no need to make things up entirely and **** on the few accomplishments he's actually had.
06-07 was undoubtedly his best year, but I wouldn't say he was amazing.

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Thank you for looking up the numbers so I didn't have to. If memory serves, I believe Osgood was just coming off injury when they foolishly dealt him.
He turned down a multi-year contract extension. NYI had Snow, a playoff tested back-up or 1A, to man the pipes post-trade.

In simple terms, guy says 'No, thanks' to re-upping. First thing NYI fans always cry about is a 'player wanting to be here or move him out' - this fits that mold. Isn't that the same process for Nabby, get rid of him b/c he doesn't want to be here???

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