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01-04-2012, 03:07 PM
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I dont usually play with stock option


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any dividend stocks you would put 200k into?
I stick mostly high growth stocks and commidities but if you are looking at safer dividend stocks, PG and JNJ could be of interest.

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You're full of hot air.
also got a tassimo coffee machine

but I agree, Gallagher will be a stud...

I had some fun trading FAS and FAZ , UYG and SKF ... ultra leveraged etf's .... especially back when the markets were ultra volatile.. things have settled a bit.

but ya, popcorn is great and I think I'm addicted to coffee now

If we rebuild i don't think it's inconceivable we have a few 19 yr olds start the year next year

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I stick mostly high growth stocks and commidities but if you are looking at safer dividend stocks, PG and JNJ could be of interest.
thanks, will look into it.

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I'll take all the Markovs you have, especially if I can write off any losses. I think there's room for improvement with Pleks and Cammy as well.

But our securities are watered down because we have too many tiny zombies dragging down our overall portfolio and are margined to the hilt.

We can always bet against them on Mise-au-jeu...


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Meh

this thread is multi-faceted. Its about stock. Players, Finances, maybe wheat... bouillon... you name it. it's the stock thread
Meh, we probably could have used him this year. He's kind of a "lite" Gorges that can occasionally drop the gloves without getting embarrassed.

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Meh, we probably could have used him this year. He's kind of a "lite" Gorges that can occasionally drop the gloves without getting embarrassed.
I was a Bouillon fan. He was lumped in with a role-confused Dandenault and his contributions were clouded-over by our own lack of depth. That and his size, of course.

Maybe Gill was his replacement. That's a lateral move to me. A move that's based on a value for Gill as a vet bottom-pairing guy over Bouillon. And another example of not capitalizing on a pending UFA, to boot. It gets confusing to justify that, as a fan. If we are just gonna make lateral moves like that then we could end up with the same results, inter-changeable parts, just differing skill-sets but same impact. Boo that - maybe our current strategy ... It seems.

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Just thought I'd take a second and express how much I like this as an evaluation tool... so much more then the old give a letter grade and explain your rationale. It's as simple and easy to use as any other format but you get so much more consistency in criteria due to it's simplicity giving less room to opinion and more to objectivity. Well done.

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01-04-2012, 06:23 PM
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Rising star assets (will continue to improve and should be all-star caliber players in the future)

31 Carey Price
76 P.K. Subban
67 Max Pacioretty


3 players
current cap hit: 5.25M$
likely 2012-2013 cap hit: 10-12M$


Rising assets (will continue to improve from level they are at now)

81 Lars Eller
51 David Desharnais
71 Louis Leblanc
46 Andrei Kostitsyn
61 Raphael Diaz
74 Alexei Emelin
68 Yannick Weber
53 Ryan White
26 Josh Gorges


9 players
current cap hit: 13M$ (avg 1.4M$/player)
likely 2012-2013 cap hit: 15-17M$ (avg 1.6-1.8M$/player)


Stagnated assets ( are who they are, won't improve much but should maintain current level for forseable future)

45 Mike Blunden
13 Michael Cammalleri
72 Erik Cole
21 Brian Gionta
32 Travis Moen
15 Petteri Nokelainen
14 Tomas Plekanec
17 Chris Campoli
30 Peter Budaj


9 players
cap hit: 26M$ (avg 2.9M$/player)
likely 2012-2013 cap hit : 26M$ (avg 2.9M$/player)


Declining assets (have moved from stagnating position to declining position, little chance that they return to previous level and likely to continue declining from season to season)


11 Scott Gomez
52 Mathieu Darche
75 Hal Gill
22 Tomas Kaberle
79 Andrei Markov


5 players
cap hit: 20M$ (avg 4M$/player)
likely 2012-2013 cap hit: 20M$ (avg 4M$/player)



when you break it down this way, imo it reinforces that we do have a solid base of assets to build a contender from, the problem remains spending far too much of our cap on players that are regressing (players in the red).


quite simply, if we could move 1-2 of the high salary "red" players (Gomez/Kaberle), while replacing them with "grey" players, and then move 1-2 "grey" players and replace them with "green" players, we'd quite likely be saving $ while icing a more competitive team...

with that extra cap space, and ideally a few assets (picks/prospects) to work with from the players shipped out, a schrewd GM could manoeuvre their way into a top 10 pick, or even an extra top-10 pick (assuming we get one on our own), and thus hopefully add two more "blue" assets to our mix.


factor in:

Gallagher
Tinordi
Beaulieu
Bournival
Kristo

who are all likely "green" assets with an outside chance at becoming "blue" assets...

plus

Bennett
Avtsin
Palushaj
Ellis
Pribyl
Dietz
Dumont
Nash
Quailer

and a few other prospects in the pipelines that could potentially turn into "green" NHL assets eventually.



take all of that into account, and we have some pretty solid depth and strong NHL potential prospects, especially in the "complementary" or "secondary" level.

if we had our big cap dollars locked in with established stars, we would already have our contending team...

so now the struggle is simply to transition the millions we have wasted in the likes of Gomez, Kaberle, Cammalleri (~18M$ right there) and gradually re-allocate that into players actually playing at that "level" (be it by drafting them and grooming them ourselves, or being far more strategic and effective in spending on the UFA market or in trades).


consider this:

Canucks- Sedin/Sedin/Hamhuis = 16.6M$ (all signed on UFA deals)
Blackhawks- Hossa/Sharp/Seabrook = 17M$ (all signed on UFA deals *Keith as RFA signing well into UFA status)
Bruins- Bergeron/Chara/Thomas = 17M$ (all signed on UFA deals)
San Jose- THornton/Marleau/Boyle = 20.5M$ (all signed on UFA deals)
Detroit- Datsyuk/Lidstrom/Zetterberg = ~18M$ (all signed on UFA deals)



when you consider that our top paid players contribute so little to the team, compared to what the top paid players on contending teams contribute to their respective teams, it's no wonder we are the worst ranked team of the top 10 salary spending teams in the league (and by a pretty solid margin... 5 pts behind Sabres, the next closest team).

Injuries you say? I say phooey, injuries are afflicting every team, and while we've lost a huge amount of "salary cap" to injuries, Gomez's 7.4M$/13 games played is a huge part of that, and his absence is at best a marginal factor in our disappointing play... and Markov's absence, given that it extends almost 2 years now, can hardly be considered a reasonable excuse, given the circumstances.


fix that obvious and awful imbalance (created directly by Gainey/Gauthier and their approach to roster building), and we could see a pretty quick turn around.
If these three player (Max pax, price, and PK) are projected to be all star players sometime in the furture, does it mean the habs have to get them big contracts now???

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If these three player (Max pax, price, and PK) are projected to be all star players sometime in the furture, does it mean the habs have to get them big contracts now???
Some teams would. You try and buy some of the years when these guys will be UFA eligible. As some guys are willing to trade a dollar or two for some career stability. It probably costs more the longer you wait. The trade-off being that you have more of a back-story to base your contract terms on. The Gorges signing is the first time we've done somehting like that. At least that I recall off-hand.

Today - Eller and Kaberle are all the rage... maybe a good day to sell Kaberle
In retrospect I should have put Kabs in the yellow/stagnant category... instead of the red/declining category. If he keeps going like this who knows?

A lot of optimism with the Habs portfolio today. We are the most volatile group of fans around...

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