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01-05-2012, 05:13 AM
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Schenn is the future of our pk. Rough year, all round, but since he got his confidence back he has been playing a solid stay at home game and punishing crease crashers without taking any dumb penalties.

conversely , as Schenn has gotten better , Phaneuf has looked worse and worse. He once went into the corner to scrum the puck with two other teammates, while killing a 5 on 3.... they scored. that is his positioning/awareness in a nutshell.

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01-05-2012, 05:42 AM
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Hockey has changed for the past 15 years. Maybe, wilson system doesn't work in the present because of the change in which speed really matters.
lol.

Substantiate this please. The speed factor is much more of an issue 5 on 5 than it is on special teams. So please, tell me how Wilson's PK can no longer be successful in the NHL? Don't forget, NJ's PK plays the same style with the box/diamond interplay.

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01-05-2012, 07:23 AM
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So Ron Wilson may have been a decent coach 14 years ago.

Cool.

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01-05-2012, 07:34 AM
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So Ron Wilson may have been a decent coach 14 years ago.

Cool.
And you wonder why you draw the ire of most posters here.

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01-05-2012, 07:37 AM
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And you wonder why you draw the ire of most posters here.
no, he knows exactly why.

must be tough to keep up his gimmick when the team is doing pretty decent this season. gotta hand it to him for sticking around, given all the hot air he was spewing in the off season about this team going no where and kessel being a bust.

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no, he knows exactly why.

must be tough to keep up his gimmick when the team is doing pretty decent this season. gotta hand it to him for sticking around, given all the hot air he was spewing in the off season about this team going no where and kessel being a bust.
He had one post earlier in the season complaining about how he is treated around here

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01-05-2012, 07:40 AM
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lol.

Substantiate this please. The speed factor is much more of an issue 5 on 5 than it is on special teams. So please, tell me how Wilson's PK can no longer be successful in the NHL? Don't forget, NJ's PK plays the same style with the box/diamond interplay.
Jersey may play the same style, but they do not play the same way. Jersey is far more aggressive than the Leafs on the PK.

We PK way too passively imo.

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01-05-2012, 09:07 AM
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Well that's all fine and dandy but his PK% has only ever been sub 80% once prior to joining the Leafs organization. Comparatively, I could care less where he finished in any given year because stats change. I.e. look at his '95-'96 stays and '96-'97 stats in Anaheim. His PK% improved over the year 0.7 percentage points and yet they slid from 17th in the league to 22nd in the league.
Ah, framing... You're right, the absolute number matters and the ranking is immaterial without seeing the percentages for all the other rankings. If you're at 80.0 and in 7th and 3rd is only 82.0 the difference is pretty minimal over the course of a season. Does anyone even care how they break ties for PK percentage ranking? If you do, you've got to get out more.

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01-05-2012, 09:12 AM
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Toronto
2011-2012 - currently 73.2% (30th)
2010-2011 - 77.4% (28th)
2009-2010 - 74.6% (30th)
2008-2009 - 74.7% (30th)

San Jose
2007-2008 - 85.8% (1st)
2006-2007 - 83.3% (14th)
2005-2006 - 80.7% (23rd)
2003-2004 - 85.2% (7th)
2002-2003 - 81.0% (30th)

Washington
2001-2002 - 82.1% (24th)
2000-2001 - 84.1% (13th of 30 teams)
1999-2000 - 86.2% (7th of 28 teams)
1998-1999 - 84.4% (15th of 27 teams)
1997-1998 - 89.2% (1st of 26 teams)

Anaheim
1996-1997 - 81.5% (22nd of 26 teams)
1995-1996 - 80.8% (17th of 26 teams)
1994-1995 - 75.6% (26TH of 26 teams)
1993-1994 - 82.7% (6th of 26 teams)
An excellent factual post.

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01-05-2012, 09:52 AM
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Too bad the facts don't tell the story people wish they did.

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01-05-2012, 09:56 AM
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Statistics without qualitative analysis may be "factual", but it is far from insightful or useful to any degree.

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An excellent factual post.
What do these facts tell you? All it says to me is that good PK stats aren't predictable nor easily sustainable.

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What do these facts tell you? All it says to me is that good PK stats aren't predictable nor easily sustainable.
They are self explanatory to most fans, it depends how one wants to interpret the sample. Hockey is a stats driven sport, we can play hypotheticals all day, has Wilson had the best tools to run an effective PK? This can be debated for his teams, but history tells us, his PK teams have been less efficient than good.

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They are self explanatory to most fans, it depends how one wants to interpret the sample. Hockey is a stats driven sport, we can play hypotheticals all day, has Wilson had the best tools to run an effective PK? This can be debated for his teams, but history tells us, his PK teams have been less efficient than good.
What it fails to do is explain cause and effect in any way whatsoever. So it's moot for your argument in your constant anti-Wilson tirade, which inevitably involves little to no substantiation.

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What it fails to do is explain cause and effect in any way whatsoever. So it's moot for your argument in your constant anti-Wilson tirade, which inevitably involves little to no substantiation.
Wilson's proficiency on the PK or lack of it has been analzyed to death here, I've seen it up close for 4 years now, and it isn't a well coached PK, where teams have often passed pucks through the box, we play too passively, players are unaware of marking players in front of the net, and until last game players screening goalies. The stats only back up what most leafs fans see and know, if you guys want to keep saying it's the players and not Wilson, that is your perogative. It doesn't take talent to be an effective PK, barring an average goalie it can be accomplished. Certainly being 30th for an aggragate 4 years is not excusable. Even if it's the players(which I certainly do not believe it is) if Wilson was the PK genious some say he is, The Leafs PK should be atleast pushing 15th, middle of the pack, heck even 20th would be an improvement, right?

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01-05-2012, 11:53 AM
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Wilson's PK has been dead last in the league for more than 1/4 of his long coaching carreer. That's an important fact.

And Schenn is the worst PKing D on the team next to Liles, that's crazy talk about how he is the "future of our PK", are you 3 years behind still watching his rookie year or something? Schenn is a good D, but he's no Elite talent like Phaneuf, Pronger, Doughty, Weber, etc...

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this ain't 1997.

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01-05-2012, 06:14 PM
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That was before Twitter. Now he spends his time on that instead of coaching the PK

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