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01-05-2012, 05:17 PM
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Laviolette's System

Does anyone think our system needs to be toned down a bit at the moment?

I mean it seems too me that we play a really high tempo, hard hitting, high forecheck kind of game but at the moment perhaps that really only suits the top line. Ususally you would have different lines with different styles but it kind of feels like all our lines are trying to play the same way which I see as a little problematic when the lesser players are losing battles in the offensive zone.

When we had Pronger the defense was able to cope a bit better because of his obvious quality but now the cracks are showing a bit more. Our whole teams is pretty good in terms of quiality but it just looks as though we run out of steam too much or give up cheap goals because we're so offense minded...

Does anyone feel confident with us having a lead in a game at the moment?

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once you compromise the system, there is no going back.

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Does anyone think our system needs to be toned down a bit at the moment?

I mean it seems too me that we play a really high tempo, hard hitting, high forecheck kind of game but at the moment perhaps that really only suits the top line. Ususally you would have different lines with different styles but it kind of feels like all our lines are trying to play the same way which I see as a little problematic when the lesser players are losing battles in the offensive zone.

When we had Pronger the defense was able to cope a bit better because of his obvious quality but now the cracks are showing a bit more. Our whole teams is pretty good in terms of quiality but it just looks as though we run out of steam too much or give up cheap goals because we're so offense minded...

Does anyone feel confident with us having a lead in a game at the moment?
I don't feel confident with Bryzgalov in net. The system is fine, proven, and I trust Laviolette.

Bryzgalov is ATROCIOUS. I can't describe how bad he's been.

On top of that we're paying him so that we can run whatever system we want, and it's his job to have us covered. That's why we paid for an elite goalie.

Blaming this on the system now is kind of pointless.

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01-05-2012, 05:36 PM
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I look at Lavys system like this.......When our club is playing his system well, we get a ton of great scoring chances during a game,,,,,BUT ! When we fail to bury those chances all eyes and blame immediately go to our defensive and goal tending.Our club plays a very high tempo transition game, with our Defense playing a big role on the rushes and "pinching" in on offense often....
The ugly side of this style rears its head when our hi powers offense fails to finish on great chances, and then we give up a quickie or 2 and get behind the 8 ball.I like the up tempo hi energy game, but we have to "finish" more often on the great chances it affords our club,because for the time being our Goal tending is as inconsistent stopping pucks as our offense is at missing on great scoring chances.Hopefully things will work out as we go along in the 2nd half.

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01-05-2012, 05:40 PM
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Im pretty sure Lavy won a cup with his "system" and took us to a finals with it also. There is no need to change the system, players don't buy into it, they are the ones who go usually.

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01-05-2012, 06:03 PM
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I don't feel confident with Bryzgalov in net. The system is fine, proven, and I trust Laviolette.

Bryzgalov is ATROCIOUS. I can't describe how bad he's been.

On top of that we're paying him so that we can run whatever system we want, and it's his job to have us covered. That's why we paid for an elite goalie.

Blaming this on the system now is kind of pointless.

agreed.. if you spend what we did on a goalie then teh system shouldnt matter..

otherwise we might aswell have saved 50M$ and brought Leighton back up.

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Im pretty sure Lavy won a cup with his "system" and took us to a finals with it also. There is no need to change the system, players don't buy into it, they are the ones who go usually.
I was pretty sure Carolina played a more defensive game under Lavy because that's the players he had at his disposal. I'm not sure if it is about buying in or if it's just not suited to all the players as a whole. For example JvR wasn't good playing Hartnells role on the top line, JvR might be having a bad season but I think that was more to do with how that line compliments each other. Hartnell does, JvR didn't.

As for the goalie, I totally see that, I'm not saying the system sucks all of a sudden but that perhaps more flexibility would give the team more consistancy. Bryz is capable of playing better but perhaps tweaking the system to operate more defensively (not really defensively!) might help gind a few more hard fought victories out...

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agreed.. if you spend what we did on a goalie then teh system shouldnt matter..

otherwise we might aswell have saved 50M$ and brought Leighton back up.
Could the argument not be made that if your gonna spend that much on a keeper play system he is comfortable with? This team is way better than Phoenix was, so if we played their system would we not be far better? (Not saying we should, just saying if you shift the way your team pay structure is weighted then perhaps play to the strengths you have?)

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I look at Lavys system like this.......When our club is playing his system well, we get a ton of great scoring chances during a game,,,,,BUT ! When we fail to bury those chances all eyes and blame immediately go to our defensive and goal tending.Our club plays a very high tempo transition game, with our Defense playing a big role on the rushes and "pinching" in on offense often....
The ugly side of this style rears its head when our hi powers offense fails to finish on great chances, and then we give up a quickie or 2 and get behind the 8 ball.I like the up tempo hi energy game, but we have to "finish" more often on the great chances it affords our club,because for the time being our Goal tending is as inconsistent stopping pucks as our offense is at missing on great scoring chances.Hopefully things will work out as we go along in the 2nd half.
Makes sense, just not sure we have enough goal scorers to work that, seems like you need someone to always be on a hot streak...

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That's the problem, we don't have a high powered offense here. Matt Read plays on our second power play unit for heaven's sake.

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Part of the system is obviously predicated on Bryzgalov providing All-Star level goaltending.

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Could the argument not be made that if your gonna spend that much on a keeper play system he is comfortable with? This team is way better than Phoenix was, so if we played their system would we not be far better? (Not saying we should, just saying if you shift the way your team pay structure is weighted then perhaps play to the strengths you have?)
so we should redo the entire team and system and coach around Bryz ???

no sale...

starting to look like we didnt scout Bryz out well enuf before commiting that huge chunk of change on him for the next 10 years.


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Could the argument not be made that if your gonna spend that much on a keeper play system he is comfortable with? This team is way better than Phoenix was, so if we played their system would we not be far better? (Not saying we should, just saying if you shift the way your team pay structure is weighted then perhaps play to the strengths you have?)
So we turn into the minnesota wild to suite bryz? Id rather give a guy with superstar potential like Giroux the freedom than to cripple the forwards into playing a system that only benefits Bryz. Complete waste of offensive talent. There are so many teams with offensive systems that have elite goaltenders. It works, Bryz just needs to stop the puck.

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Does anyone think our system needs to be toned down a bit at the moment?

I mean it seems too me that we play a really high tempo, hard hitting, high forecheck kind of game but at the moment perhaps that really only suits the top line. Ususally you would have different lines with different styles but it kind of feels like all our lines are trying to play the same way which I see as a little problematic when the lesser players are losing battles in the offensive zone.

When we had Pronger the defense was able to cope a bit better because of his obvious quality but now the cracks are showing a bit more. Our whole teams is pretty good in terms of quiality but it just looks as though we run out of steam too much or give up cheap goals because we're so offense minded...

Does anyone feel confident with us having a lead in a game at the moment?
See my posts in the anti bryz thread. There's a reason 9 goalies have failed in our system. Not bc they all suck but bc we play this cat and mouse game..."jamming" aka chase, chase, chase. Either way, yes...we need to refine our system.

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so we should redo the entire team and system and coach around Bryz ???

no sale...

starting to look like we didnt scout Bryz out well enuf before commiting that huge chunk of change on him for the next 10 years.

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So we turn into the minnesota wild to suite bryz? Id rather give a guy with superstar potential like Giroux the freedom than to cripple the forwards into playing a system that only benefits Bryz. Complete waste of offensive talent. There are so many teams with offensive systems that have elite goaltenders. It works, Bryz just needs to stop the puck.
I was pretty clear I don't think that we should become a defense orientated team but you play to what you have. You try and get the best out of a team, not a system that benifits one player at the detriment of the rest... We also pay loads for our D core (2nd most in the league I think I read somewhere, might be wrong), yet we pay that so we can just go nuts on offense with 'lesser' players and hope an expensive D means it copes...

I really only think it needs a little tweaking but we seem to regularly get two forwards behind the opponents goal line on one guy...

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Either way he seems fine tonight considering hes playing against the team with the highest goal per game average in the game.

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Either way he seems fine tonight considering hes playing against the team with the highest goal per game average in the game.
True, think whoever said when we actually put chances away we're ok when we start missing it costs us was right in essence. Until that 4min 3 goal burst there were a few hairy moments... But yeah, today good...

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...I take it back...

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Either way he seems fine tonight considering hes playing against the team with the highest goal per game average in the game.
You just had to say this, didn't you

Luckily it worked out for us... if it didn't...

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While Bryz should take most of the blame I think the defensive side of Lavy's system works better when the forwards as a whole are better defensively. Our shortage of defensive forwards and youth on the offense might be the reason breakdowns happen so often.

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While Bryz should take most of the blame I think the defensive side of Lavy's system works better when the forwards as a whole are better defensively. Our shortage of defensive forwards and youth on the offense might be the reason breakdowns happen so often.
Which means its time to throw Couturier in the top 9, Talbot on the fourth center, and Briere on the G-D wing.

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The flyers have been at and near the top of the league most of the year with horrible goaltending.

So, yea, the system works.

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That's the problem, we don't have a high powered offense here. Matt Read plays on our second power play unit for heaven's sake.
3rd in the league in goals.

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Has Briere ever really played on the left wing? I wouldnt mind him being put on the left wing on a line with schenn and read. Or when ever JVR decides to be consistent and not let injury affect him, Schenn could center him and Briere.

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Has Briere ever really played on the left wing? I wouldnt mind him being put on the left wing on a line with schenn and read. Or when ever JVR decides to be consistent and not let injury affect him, Schenn could center him and Briere.
when briere's on his game, his goals come two ways: skating down the right wing or backdoor on the powerplay. putting him on the left side takes away his most effective shot.

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