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01-04-2012, 08:10 PM
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Yeah its a case of the numbers not telling the whole story. He plays much better than a few guys with higher numbers than him.


Agreed. That is why stats do not give you the clear picture of a individual. Stats do not show the intangibles that are brought to the table by that person.

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01-04-2012, 08:24 PM
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He's going to be a better player that Richards I believe. He has everything. Can throw a mean hit, fights, has great hands and one thing that Richards doesn't have. Face-off ability. Guy is going to be such a force in this league.

Love all the proposals to get rid of him before he's played 10 games.
He hasn't played ten games and you think he'll be better than Richards?

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01-04-2012, 08:26 PM
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Honestly, I'd rather put Briere on G's wing in that scenario (makes a ton of sense given Danny's goal-scoring ability and the Hartnell connection). We need Couturier's size and defensive ability in the middle.

Hartnell - Giroux - Briere
vanRiemsdyk - Couturier - Read
Simmonds - Schenn - Voracek
Rinaldo - Talbot - Zolnierczyk
I don't want giroux and Briere together because of the defensive trainwreck that would ensue.

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01-05-2012, 10:23 AM
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What has Schenn achieved in the nhl? nothing!


I never saw him hit like Richie in the NHL
I never saw him scoring on his own like Richie in the NHL
I never saw him fighting in the nhl like Richie

Make him a hero only because of his performance in the past is not what wins us games...

He is already 20 Years old and he must start to perform like a consistent NHL PLayer... I expect nothing more from him... but he never ever show me consistency on a NHL Level?! call me blind maybe.....

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01-05-2012, 10:46 AM
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What has Schenn achieved in the nhl? nothing!


I never saw him hit like Richie in the NHL
I never saw him scoring on his own like Richie in the NHL
I never saw him fighting in the nhl like Richie

Make him a hero only because of his performance in the past is not what wins us games...

He is already 20 Years old and he must start to perform like a consistent NHL PLayer... I expect nothing more from him... but he never ever show me consistency on a NHL Level?! call me blind maybe.....
That might be your problem right there. Richards started in the NHL at 20 years old.

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01-05-2012, 10:46 AM
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What has Schenn achieved in the nhl? nothing!


I never saw him hit like Richie in the NHL
I never saw him scoring on his own like Richie in the NHL
I never saw him fighting in the nhl like Richie

Make him a hero only because of his performance in the past is not what wins us games...

He is already 20 Years old and he must start to perform like a consistent NHL PLayer... I expect nothing more from him... but he never ever show me consistency on a NHL Level?! call me blind maybe.....
Mike Richards NHL stats at age 20
79 gp
11 goals
23 assists
+6

Not exactly what I would call consistent. Give Schenn a chance. In fact:

Mike Richards NHL stats at age 21
59 gp
10 goals
22 assists
-12

Richards didn't become consistent until he reached age 23.

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01-05-2012, 11:02 AM
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In reality trading Richards at the end of the last season was one of the smartest things Homer could have done. Richards is proving over the last 3 years to be roughly a 60-70 point player per year. Though he may be a significantly superior defensive foward he is still not worth the 5.75 Million dollar price point. In the salary cap era you can not commit almost 10% of your team salary to one defensive foward and win consistently.

As for Schenn, I agree that he has been a bit of a disappointment so far but he is a boy right now playing in a man's league. He has the talent to be a top 15 foward in the NHL he just needs to come into his own right and grow into his talent. Not every top draft pick is going to walk in at 19 like Crosby/Ovechkin and light up the league at 20 years old. He will be good, its just a matter of when he finally clicks and make his production consistent.

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01-05-2012, 12:30 PM
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seems to be a rift on Schenn at this point, but how about we refrain from saying he'll be better than Mike Richards, and that he wont amount to anything.

He's a 20 year old, and players don't all develop the same way. He has an enormous amount of talent and potential, so let's give him a fair chance to implement that before we make any judgements. He has played better of late, and the games against Pittsburgh and the Winter Classic were the two best games he's played in a Flyers uniform, i think.

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01-05-2012, 12:43 PM
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I want to give him a fair chance!

But to say he is a Richards lite isn´t a fair chance... Because its way too high for him right now.

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It's time to start playing him and Couturier more. I want to see what they can do with some responsibility.
Couturier has been thrust into a lot of roles responsibly and at key times and has held his own. I'm sure he'll continue to improve as he gains more experience. Lavi is handling him accordingly.

Schenn is just getting into the groove and I hope he becomes our faceoff specialist. We have like one guy who is winning at a 50% clip....

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01-05-2012, 12:52 PM
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I want to give him a fair chance!

But to say he is a Richards lite isn´t a fair chance... Because its way too high for him right now.
Both Couts and Schenn (if he doesn't get traded or is injury prone) should progress the way Richards and Carter did and I would say probably surpass them provided they can continue on fairly healthy...

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01-05-2012, 01:05 PM
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As for Schenn, I agree that he has been a bit of a disappointment so far but he is a boy right now playing in a man's league. He has the talent to be a top 15 foward in the NHL he just needs to come into his own right and grow into his talent. Not every top draft pick is going to walk in at 19 like Crosby/Ovechkin and light up the league at 20 years old. He will be good, its just a matter of when he finally clicks and make his production consistent.
I can't believe people are giving Schenn grief. He is clearly one of our top 9 forwards, and we have a very good, deep group of forwards. He has been snakebitten with injuries that aren't his fault. Shoulder coming out of camp, came back and broke his foot right away blocking a Subban shot. Came back from that and got a concussion. Came back from that and played very well vs. Pitt, flattening Malkin once, winning draws and then scored in the Classic.

If he can stay healthy and get a solid second half in, he'll score some goals, set up lots more with his excellent creativity, make lots of clean hits, play well at both ends of the rink and win faceoffs. Knock wood.

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01-05-2012, 01:58 PM
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there were people ready to call Mike Richards a bust in his 2nd pro season. Schenn has played in 10 games. many with very limited minutes.
Schenn isnt Mike Richards. hes Brayden Schenn. some people need to have some freakin patience

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01-05-2012, 01:59 PM
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When i started this thread I wasn't saying I want or think the Flyers should move him...I was mainly curious as to our record with and without. I 'm just wondering and maybe I 'm not wording it right when I say are we forcing him into a line-up or position that isn't good for either him or the team. ( make sense ).Sort of like square peg, round hole....not Schenn fault and I like him and think he will do well as he goes. I started to think about it at the beginning of the season when we had that great start and then threw him into the line-up for no apparent reason other then he was healthy...we messed with our dynamics then we lost and so on. I just want to clear this up that I don't want to trade Schenn .

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20 years old and already an absolute bust...

We should buy the Erie Otters, rename them the Erie Flyers and make them our minor league club (more on that later), trade the whole roster and prospects for all the 1st round draft picks, trade 5-6 of those first round picks for Ekblad, then draft Josh Ho first overall.

Get Snider to force the NHL to let him come up to the Flyers... bypassing all rules about the draft and ages of players, giving the Flyers an exemption to have all NHL rights to OHL players Erie draft, call up the entire Erie roster, as anyone past 18 years old who is not tearing up the NHL is a bust, and just hope by the time Ho is 20 he is a 60-70 point scorer... if he isn't trade him for Jaeger White, as he is obviously a bust.

Actually, scrap that, trade Schenn straight up for Lucas Lidstrom, hear that 8 year old really has flashes of his father, hear he is big for his age... like 4 feet 6, and has some offensive knack, and have instinctive positoning, maybe not a sure fire rookie all star, but he'd probably slot in well in Carle's postion when we trade him (as Carle would probably would look bad in the AHL), for Matthew Gagne, Gags jr may need some time to develop... as he can't really skate yet, but I'm sure by the time he is 5-6 he will be and NHL regular, probably better than Schenn anyway.

Seriously, after 18 NHL games people are writing him off... not everyone is Crosby, Lindros, Gretzsky, not that many players even play in the NHL younger than 20, never mind tear it up.

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01-05-2012, 03:57 PM
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He hasn't played ten games and you think he'll be better than Richards?
psst, Stop stalking me.

He's played more than 10 hockey games. He's displayed skills that Richards doesn't have now in the NHL. Richards still isn't great on the draws. I always thought that hurt his PK ability.

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In reality trading Richards at the end of the last season was one of the smartest things Homer could have done. Richards is proving over the last 3 years to be roughly a 60-70 point player per year. Though he may be a significantly superior defensive foward he is still not worth the 5.75 Million dollar price point. In the salary cap era you can not commit almost 10% of your team salary to one defensive foward and win consistently.
Thank you!!! Couldn't agree more, exept on the defensive front. He had ONE selke caliber season and since then he's been riding that reputation, but he dogged it all the time. He lays a big hit now and then, but for 5.75 there were WAY too many holes in his game.

I miss Simon gagne alot more defensively.

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Nice post appleyard, lol.

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Nice post appleyard, lol.
Cheers, just writing to amuse myself or I'd go mad with some of the negativism... keep finding it ridiculous that people rag on a 20 year old with less than 20 career games. Schenn looked good again tonight and got an assist to boot.

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Cheers, just writing to amuse myself or I'd go mad with some of the negativism... keep finding it ridiculous that people rag on a 20 year old with less than 20 career games. Schenn looked good again tonight and got an assist to boot.
When Sidney Crosby was this age, he had game where he had 5 assists.

This kind of effort from Schenn simply isn't good enough. We can only hold the wool over the other NHL teams' eyes so long... we need to trade him ASAP before his value is totally gone.

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When Sidney Crosby was this age, he had game where he had 5 assists.

This kind of effort from Schenn simply isn't good enough. We can only hold the wool over the other NHL teams' eyes so long... we need to trade him ASAP before his value is totally gone.
And Gretzky had over 200 NHL points at Schenn's age. So we should trade him... maybe for some of the proposals on the boards, like Gleason straight up, and we'd be robbing Carolina blind there.

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And Gretzky had over 200 NHL points at Schenn's age. So we should trade him... maybe for some of the proposals on the boards, like Gleason straight up, and we'd be robbing Carolina blind there.
I seriously doubt we could get Gleason for Schenn.

I was thinking something like Schenn + 2nd to Toronto for Komisarek.

Maybe Schenn + 2nd to the Habs for Gomez.

Something along those lines would probably be fair value.

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I seriously doubt we could get Gleason for Schenn.

I was thinking something like Schenn + 2nd to Toronto for Komisarek.

Maybe Schenn + 2nd to the Habs for Gomez.

Something along those lines would probably be fair value.
We should have waived him and picked up Orr while we had a chance.

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The question we have to ask about Schenn is this. Is he good enough to be a 2nd line center on a Cup championship team?

I have Couturier penciled in as a great 2 way 3rd line center.

Giroux is obviously a star first line center

That leaves the 2nd line. Personally id love to see us make a run for getzlaf than see if Schenn can develop into that 2nd line center.


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