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01-05-2012, 10:21 PM
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Wow, turn down the xenophobia, guys. You're making Cherry look like a loving and caring man.

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So.....can we say that John Westin ALMOST won the gold??? Seemed in the plans at some point for Team Sweden. Pretty tough though to say that they made a mistake by not taking him, that's for sure.

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His main ability is smarts and hard work. That's kept a lot of guys in the NHL and playing pretty good minutes, see Gorges.
I see smarts and hard work, just not as much smarts as a player like Gorges, or a Blair Betts, to name a forward or as much jam as a White or Begin. More like a Nokelainen or Dowd. Maybe you've seen more in Bournival.

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Woa that Post game interview is ****ing hilarious. The guy did all that with straight face too!
A+ entertainment value.

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Too bad Prybil isn't eligible next year, he probably was very disappointed to be injured at this time of year.

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We should have a board that acts like our farm system, not allowed to come to the main Habs board until you've proven yourself in the minors.

You hate Nail because he obviously doesn't speak much English, excited that he has a chance at a gold medal and beat the Russians biggest rival? Come on it's hard not to feel good about a guy who is that excited about playing hockey, regardless of nationally.
Lol, give me a break, he knew what he was doing. He was being a troll. He knows enough english to know what "Russia's better than Canada. *tsk* See ya next time" means.

I just don't get it: him and Kuznetsov wanted to make enemies. Lets not make it something it isn't. They were trolling at least 18,000 people, and possibly the whole country. Now they get to taste the bitter taste of silver, and hear the bitter jeers that go with the path they chose.

It's what it means to be bitter rivals.

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01-06-2012, 12:22 AM
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Unless Tinordi was loaned to Metallurg Magnitogorsk (or Yuzhny Ural Orsk, Magnitka's VHL affiliate) so that he could improve his game with the puck. IMO a season in Russia could make him a more complete player.


la Mark Giordano, who knows?

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01-06-2012, 12:28 AM
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I have to agree that i dont like come WJC time and all of a sudden everyones a prospect expert, i love that everyone have their own opinions but i dont like when people are adamant that their opinion is cold hard infallible analysis , its just a week in the kids life, biggest stage of their career SO FAR, but by no means the defining moment of their lives, its just a progression

But to say beaulieu is not a project is a little wrong i think, its clear he has tools, you dont go in the first round for no reason ( most of the time) , but i think its the definition of a project when it comes to him, everything he has to work on, can BE worked on, but what he excels at, hard to teach.
I guess it depends on your definition of project. To me a project has a low chance of making the show and will need to improve greatly in many aspects in order to make it.

To me, Avtsin is the definition of a project. Same with Archambault.

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Is Beaulieu playing? Pysyk is on the 2nd PP.
Hay never had any confidence in Nathan, I'm with you. He would have been better off in the 'Q. Disgusting.

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So.....can we say that John Westin ALMOST won the gold??? Seemed in the plans at some point for Team Sweden. Pretty tough though to say that they made a mistake by not taking him, that's for sure.
Yeah he was in the talks.

From the short viewing I had of him at his first Rookie camp, he didn't seem to have much talent to work with anyway. Hopefully he'll get more and more ice-time with Modo, as he's been used with 'parcimonie' so far..

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I see smarts and hard work, just not as much smarts as a player like Gorges, or a Blair Betts, to name a forward or as much jam as a White or Begin. More like a Nokelainen or Dowd. Maybe you've seen more in Bournival.
He's always around the puck, and to me that's the best I could tell you about his hockey smarts. He's great at anticipating the play, just like Leblanc. His smarts are what makes him a good prospect IMO.

Bournival might not be as imaginative as Leblanc offensively though, if you base your evaluation only from the WJC. I've seen him be better in that department in the 'Q though.

I think his great year so far could somewhat be based on the fact that he's way stronger and faster than the regular junior player.

The same could be said about Etem though. (who has more talent than Bournival, don't misunderstand what I'm trying to say)

But that's not fully the reason IMO for him having this productive season.

I just think he is better offensively than what he has shown us in the tournament. That may be because he didn't want to make any errors, because obviously the guys would get benched if they did, but he wasn't as creative as he was usually. He didn't seem to have the confidence of Hay either, up untill the game against the russians was out of reach and then he used him.

You could see the confidence Hay had in him in the final though, as he was used more often. That may be because Booner was suspended too. Who knows. But I really liked to see Bournival still pushing even if it was obvious canada wouldn't win against Russia. He is a proud competitor. A guy you're gonna win cups with.

This might be the 'Q defender speaking and I might overreading into it, but I think if there was a 'Q coaching at the WJC, Both of our 'Q kids would have played more and showed more confidence from the coaching staff. I think the fact that no coach had seen these guys play more than a handful games, they prefered to go with the more known guys. It's human nature. Hopefully there will be one next year.


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I hate russians !!! always have always will... Cocky little punk. Stupid Canadian coach, put the wrong guy inbetween the pipes
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I hate russians !!! always have always will... Cocky little punk. Stupid Canadian coach, put the wrong guy inbetween the pipes
Well, thats quite an enlightened opinion you have there! Please go on.

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I guess it depends on your definition of project. To me a project has a low chance of making the show and will need to improve greatly in many aspects in order to make it.

To me, Avtsin is the definition of a project. Same with Archambault.
Beaulieu definitely needs polish, but no way he is what you'd call a "project" as you said Avtsin fits that description better or a guy like MacMillan that needs 4 years after the draft before jumping AHL.

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I see smarts and hard work, just not as much smarts as a player like Gorges, or a Blair Betts, to name a forward or as much jam as a White or Begin. More like a Nokelainen or Dowd. Maybe you've seen more in Bournival.
He has a lot more upside than Betts. The WJHC is not the best place to evaluate Bournival because he was put in a specific role and played it well. Beaulieu was a bit of the same, he was used as a specialist. In junior both guys play a ton of minutes and much bigger roles.

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He has a lot more upside than Betts. The WJHC is not the best place to evaluate Bournival because he was put in a specific role and played it well. Beaulieu was a bit of the same, he was used as a specialist. In junior both guys play a ton of minutes and much bigger roles.
He wasnt even used as a specialist he was on the second PP wave for some reason and wasnt given any chance to play really. I can see why you wouldnt put him on a d pairing consistently since there were shutdown guys and better defenders but like others said if he isnt going to be on the first PP or play the full PP since he wasnt getting many minutes why even take him?

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He wasnt even used as a specialist he was on the second PP wave for some reason and wasnt given any chance to play really. I can see why you wouldnt put him on a d pairing consistently since there were shutdown guys and better defenders but like others said if he isnt going to be on the first PP or play the full PP since he wasnt getting many minutes why even take him?
The worst part is, the ones that were supposed to be great defensively made the biggest gaffes in Oleksiak and Murray.

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Honestly, can't stand Russian Hockey players, very few of them don't have that ****** cocky attitude, not only should you be afraid of the players bolting back to Russia anytime they don't get their demands yet but they are most often than not lazy, cocky and waiting for that big contract so that they can just "chill" and score half the goals they did before their big contract.

Exactly !!!

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We should have a board that acts like our farm system, not allowed to come to the main Habs board until you've proven yourself in the minors.

You hate Nail because he obviously doesn't speak much English, excited that he has a chance at a gold medal and beat the Russians biggest rival? Come on it's hard not to feel good about a guy who is that excited about playing hockey, regardless of nationally.

Could care less about him, and his feel good story big crap he's using Canada to play here to get a big fat paycheck. F-em. Win or lose I don't like them yes I'm a racist against Russian. So what I have to to like them ? I;m so glad the Swedes won they play great hockey.

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Hate is not good for you. It makes you tense.
I agree hate is such a strong word and emotion, Let me rephrase I really don't like Russian hockey players style of play or there commitment to the country they play hockey in. Feels much better your right

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Well, thats quite an enlightened opinion you have there! Please go on.

Sure all you had to do is ask. So I see by your screen name your a fan of the vodka swilling fool on the Canadiens the underachiever that he is. Sorry you asked


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That's odd, considering you changed it to that one only a few minutes ago.
You mean guys like, take the time to change their Avatar, then go on to another team's board, and then more time to Dis us? WTF?

I barely have time to piss between keeping my really difficult job, worrying about my 3 year old, and keeping my wife from killing me, between beers when I can have one.

Some guys need to get a bit busier around here. What he hell does the guy do all day, and who's paying for his food?

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You mean guys like, take the time to change their Avatar, then go on to another team's board, and then more time to Dis us? WTF?

I barely have time to piss between keeping my really difficult job, worrying about my 3 year old, and keeping my wife from killing me, between beers when I can have one.

Some guys need to get a bit busier around here. What he hell does the guy do all day, and who's paying for his food?
He's sitting in his parents basement right now with no car, no house, no job (or some rinky dink mcdonalds job) living off his parents and doing nothing with his life. Does that answer your question?

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My evaluation of the Habs kids at the camp.. Tinordi has been by far the best of the bunch showing why Habs traded up to grab him.. Not only he has been a strong physical presence all the tournament long but his play with the puck was actually decent, what was a nice surprise to me..

Beaulieu: The kid is a project at this point, a very nice project but still a project.. While he has obvious offensive skills, the kid also has gaps in his game.. The first thing you learn when you are a kid is always having your stick on the ice and be ready to anticipate the plays, well too many times Beaulieu has his stick in the air floating instead getting closer to the action, kind of reminds me A.Kost when he is off.. Too many times Beaulieu looks non chalent on the ice, something I personally cant stand as a hockey fan.. His backward skating needs improvement, he gives too much space to the opposing fowards and will have to learn to throw his body around way more.. He doesnt react well when pressured hard by the opposition, will have to improve his decision making and learn to sacrafice his body to make a play, I guess it will improve when the kid gets stronger.. His offensive instinct and natural skills are certainly worth working with, but I could see him spend 3 years in the AHL working on his weakness before he is ready for the big show.. Nathan could become an home run pick or could potentially bust if he doesnt understand the areas he has to work on or hasnt the work ethic to succeed.. At this point Beaulieu really reminds me Ron Hainsey, ton of potential but alot of gaps to improve..

Gallagher, his lack of speed and strength has been apparent in this tournament, especially against stronger competition.. He has sick work ethic and will to succeed, the kid constantly goes in nthe dirty areas but his lack of pure offensive skills are a major concern to me.. His shot is pretty average to say the least so are his stickhandling skills and vision.. I doubt he has what it takes to become a solid top 6 in the NHL but could see him on a third line eventually..

Bournival, I got to see alot from this kid and I think he will be a great depth player.. I just love his versatility..

Pribyl?? Hope to see you healthy next WJC..
Show me the skill, or the heart. Spare me the pseudo scouting of 18 and 19 year olds. They're all really good. You do get that right?

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I think we can now continue this discussion in the sticked Prospects or 2012 Draft threads at the top of the board. Thanks.

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