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12-10-2005, 04:26 PM
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So how do you guys like Lydman?

I'm just wondering what you guys think of him?

Personally, I think he is one of the most underrated players in the league. I understand why we traded him, but I miss him on our blue line.

I hope fans in Buffalo appreciate him as much as we did.

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12-10-2005, 04:31 PM
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We love him, thank you. He's a big part of why we are doing well.

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Indeed. Lydman's one of my favorite Sabres this year.

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Solid. Steady. Any other words in the thesauras similar to those. All that the Sabres could have asked for.

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He's our #1 guy on the backend. He makes every play look very easy out there.

Question: In all the years he spent in Calgary did you always refer to him as Lid-man? Recently he spoke up and said his name should be pronounced Lood-man...

Just curious.

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He's our #1 guy on the backend. He makes every play look very easy out there.

Question: In all the years he spent in Calgary did you always refer to him as Lid-man? Recently he spoke up and said his name should be pronounced Lood-man...

Just curious.
I always just heard it pronounced Lid-man. Although, the joke in Calgary for some fans was to call him Toni Lidstrom to make light of the fact he is so underrated.

Great to hear he is doing so well. Even in Calgary, he led the defense with minutes played, yet many people around the league never knew who he was really. It's good to know that the trade was good for him.

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Although Lydman is from Finland, he is an ethnic Swede and in Swedish the Y between two consonants is pronounced "yoo".
Thus, Lydman really should be pronounced "LYOOD-man" and Nylander - "NYOO-lan-der".

But I do like the Toni Lidstrom idea.

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We should have only given up a 4th for him.

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Great, great defenseman. One of those guys that will be underrated but is just remarkably consistent. After losing Zhitnik (4 million), I was really worried about who would pick up the slack. Lydman (1.9 million) is able to play any situation -- he's out there blocking shots on the PK, joining the rush on 5 on 5, and occasionally plays the point. Loodman has made me forget about Zhitnik very quickly...such a smart player.

If the Sabres can pick up one more solid D-man, Ill be very confident in them for the playoffs.

Depth Chart:
Lydman - Solid, best all around dman
Tallinder - Hit and miss. Has become very smart, calm - Lydman seems to help.
McKee - Shot blocking machine (leads NHL). Only true physical presence.
Kalinin - #1 potential, looks terrible this year.
Campbell - I had written him off, but he has been the best D-man at times. Offensive potential finally being realized. This is the 67's d-man we had all hoped to see.
Numminen - Solid vet. Not phyiscal, but good QBing power play, crisp passer.
Fitzpatrick - AHL overachiever. Sometimes solid, too often terrible.

Essentially, one more physical dman should be grabbed before/at the deadline. Ideally this can be done in the eventual goalie trade.

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Lydman for durability and the ability to effortlessly soke up minutes. Warrener tends toward injury due to style and during part of his time in Buffalo there were questions about his off-ice habits in regards to helping himself heal.

But overall, dealing two right-siders who hit and one who can move the puck with both his hands and skates in that Drury deal still leaves a bitter taste even 2+ years later.

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Although Lydman is from Finland, he is an ethnic Swede and in Swedish the Y between two consonants is pronounced "yoo".
Thus, Lydman really should be pronounced "LYOOD-man" and Nylander - "NYOO-lan-der".
Complete bullsh*t.

Where do you get the o's from? I used to live in Sweden and I have never heard Nyoolander or Lyoodman. Nylander should be pronounced nyl-AN-der. Lid-man isn't 100 % correct, but it's definately not Lood-man.

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Complete bullsh*t.

Where do you get the o's from? I used to live in Sweden and I have never heard Nyoolander or Lyoodman. Nylander should be pronounced nyl-AN-der. Lid-man isn't 100 % correct, but it's definately not Lood-man.
So, you're saying that Toni is ****ing with us? If so, that rocks!

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So, you're saying that Toni is ****ing with us? If so, that rocks!
I would like to see the clip where he claims is name is pronounced Loodman. If he's an ethnic Swede like referred to, I can gladly assure you his name is not pronounced like that. You do mean Loo as in L(oo)ser, L(oo)natic, right?

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All i know for 100 % is that the "yoo" guy is way off base. Ask any Swede and he will confirm it.

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I would like to see the clip where he claims is name is pronounced Loodman. If he's an ethnic Swede like referred to, I can gladly assure you his name is not pronounced like that. You do mean Loo as in L(oo)ser, L(oo)natic, right?

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All i know for 100 % is that the "yoo" guy is way off base. Ask any Swede and he will confirm it.

pardon my ignorance on this but doesn't the fact that Lydman's from Finland have something to do with it?



To answer the orginal poster: I'm thrilled with Lydman. Like Chain says, steady steady steady. IMO he's settled into a more defensive defenseman role lately with Campbell's breakout and Numminen's play Toni doesn't get a lot of PP time anymore. Occasionally attempts a dangerous outlet pass but overall he's been everything I'd hoped for plus maybe a biscuit or two more.

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pardon my ignorance on this but doesn't the fact that Lydman's from Finland have something to do with it?
Not according to Tighana. He claims Nylander and Lydman should be pronounced Nyoolander and Lyoodman, which is wrong wrong wrong.

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In Finnish Swedish the letter Y produces the sound that is far more similar to the German sound "U-umlaut" than to the short English "y".
Nylander is from Sweden, however his last name comes from the geographical name Nyland, which is the Swedish name for a Finnish province of Uusimaa.
Both "Nylander" and "Lydman" are pronounced with sounds not commonly found in English, however pronouncing the "y" as "you" (I guess this makes more sense than "yoo") is a much better approximation than "Neelander" and "Lidman" which are normally used by North American broadcasters.


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>Nylander is from Sweden, however his last name
>comes from the geographical name Nyland, which
>is the Swedish name for a Finnish province of Uusimaa.

And?

>pronouncing the "y" as "you" (I guess this
>makes more sense than "yoo")

Neither makes sense.

>is a much better approximation than "Neelander" and "Lidman"
>which are normally used by North American broadcasters.

Neelander is still by far more correct than "Nyoolander".

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Sorry, this is how I hear it. Provided, my experience is only with Finnish Swedish and it comes from spending a lot of time in Turku, but the way I heard people pronounce Nylander's name there, it wasn't very close to "knee".
As for Lydman, you have Toni's word on it.

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>but the way I heard people pronounce Nylander's name
>there, it wasn't very close to "knee".

As I said, while Neelander is more correct than "Nyoolander",
it still isn't 100 % correct.

>As for Lydman, you have Toni's word on it.

Yup, although I find it difficult to believe he pronounces his name
Lood-man. Is it -oo as in "Oochie Mama"?

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Yes, that is how it has been pronounced this season.

Kind of ironic how with Tallinder back at the d we have a Lood-man and a lewd-man.

I guess that should be our "w" pair.

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12-11-2005, 07:46 PM
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I also doubt it's an "oo" as in "oochie mama" or as in "doodly-squat". It's probably just Jeanerette mis-hearing him. He is, after all, the man who gave us "Afee-nah-GUN-off" for a while.
Lydman's name should be pronounced with a softer "L".
"Lewd-man" is actually the best approximation of the proper sound.

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He may indeed have a partly Swedish ethnic background,as it is not rare here (I have, for example). However, a lot of the Finns' names were changed from Finnish to Swedish back in the day when Finland was part of Sweden. Some of those were changed back later but not all. So you have lots of people here with apparently Swedish names but with little to no real background.

On the topic, I'm glad to see that Lydman gets some love here. He continues the tradition of underrated Finnish dmen in the NHL. He's a bit like a junior version of Numminen that way.

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Originally Posted by Torch
I'm just wondering what you guys think of him?

Personally, I think he is one of the most underrated players in the league. I understand why we traded him, but I miss him on our blue line.

I hope fans in Buffalo appreciate him as much as we did.
Traded for a third round pick... Can you Say the Steal

Sabres fans aree thrilled to have this guy he really helps make this team go. When he went out for a while the team struggled.

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Speaking of pronunciations, as this has been a topic discussed at my house for a couple of days, Tallinder's name is being pronounced differently now too. Did he do something along the same lines as Lydman and say it should be pronounced "Tal-EEN-der?" Actually, I heard Jeanerette make a comment earlier in the night that "Ever since L(u)dman and Tal(ee)nder changed their names, our penalty kill has improved"

Running joke at my house right now is that Tallinder and Lydman were traded for guys named Talleender and Ludman that look exactly like them, play exactly like them, and wear the same jersey numbers and have the same first names as them.

I don't care how you pronounce it, though, a winning team is a winning team.

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To back up what krt88 said :

22-6-1 with Lydman
1-4-0 without Lydman

I know 5 games is kind of a small sample size, but I think that says something right there. To me, almost as much of a steal as Ryan Miller in the 5th round.

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