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01-07-2012, 11:31 AM
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here are UFA F......I just dont see a better fit that Rutuu but they have to think of others cause a tonof teams will get T.R.

http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.p...F&fa_type_id=2

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Doan, Selanne, and Ryan Smyth would all be better fits than Ruutu in my opinion. Fitting them under the Cap (and what they'd cost to acquire) is another story. But all things being equal, I'd take those 3 over Ruutu anyday.

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No. Ryan Smith?

Again, that's the point. Doan and Selanne would cost WAY too much for a couple of months.

Ruutu is 28. And will cost far less.

He's got 14 goals.

He's a perfect fit the way he plays.

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01-07-2012, 12:14 PM
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But the question already is how do you manage a roster with too many healthy players. You can't bring someone in without shipping someone out and I've got my doubts that anyone really wants Wolski as pending UFA with a huge price tag, a groin injury and an inability to crack a roster where LW'ers are regularly platooned up and down the lineup.

I don't know that Ruutu is what the lineup needs. I think it needs a player skilled enough to consistently ride on the coattails of Stepan and Gabby. I think it could be Wolski, but it's kinda time to find out so that if it isn't, then you can really think about your pre-deadline options.
you can clear up that roster spot by also trading for bobby ryan

but seriously wolski should have been bought out and should be gone. and the 'healthy' player that would likely lose his spot is john mitchell. mitchell has played well but i'm not concerned about a 'logjam' that forces john mitchell out of the lineup

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you can clear up that roster spot by also trading for bobby ryan

but seriously wolski should have been bought out and should be gone. and the 'healthy' player that would likely lose his spot is john mitchell. mitchell has played well but i'm not concerned about a 'logjam' that forces john mitchell out of the lineup
We all know if Bobby Ryan rumors start again ( and they will ) the Rangers will be linked.

Just not sure they need to do such a big move giving up assets currently on the team. It may hurt the chemistry.........off season is another story

I vote rental and even in the offseason let Kreider , Miller, Thomas fight to win a spot..........If they can T. Rutuu I would like to sign him back in place of Wolski coming off the cap

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We all know if Bobby Ryan rumors start again ( and they will ) the Rangers will be linked.

Just not sure they need to do such a big move giving up assets currently on the team. It may hurt the chemistry.........off season is another story

I vote rental and even in the offseason let Kreider , Miller, Thomas fight to win a spot..........If they can T. Rutuu I would like to sign him back in place of Wolski coming off the cap
yeah i'd love to get ryan but the price will most likely be way too high

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Anyone who wants to destroy the makeup and chemistry of this team by trading a ton for Bobby Ryan is out of their mind.

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No. Ryan Smith?

Again, that's the point. Doan and Selanne would cost WAY too much for a couple of months.

Ruutu is 28. And will cost far less.

He's got 14 goals.

He's a perfect fit the way he plays.
Yes, Ryan Smyth. The guy is all heart and will do anything to win. He knows how to score gritty playoff style goals. He's a leader. He won't cost much to acquire and he's not a dirty piece of garbage like Tuomo Ruutu. (not as bad as his brother)

I'd prefer Doan who I think is the perfect fit. Selanne would have the greatest impact of all of them... So, yea, Ruuto isn't in my top 3...

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Smyth is not leaving Edmonton.

Selanne and Doan would cost too much.

What aren't you getting?

Ruutu is not a piece of ****. Sorry. He's a tough player. And he's skilled.

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01-07-2012, 04:49 PM
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Yes, Ryan Smyth. The guy is all heart and will do anything to win. He knows how to score gritty playoff style goals. He's a leader. He won't cost much to acquire and he's not a dirty piece of garbage like Tuomo Ruutu. (not as bad as his brother)

I'd prefer Doan who I think is the perfect fit. Selanne would have the greatest impact of all of them... So, yea, Ruuto isn't in my top 3...
Selanne has a NMC and according to what I heard on NHL tonight the team is absolutely committed to him retiring as a Duck. And didn't Ryan Smith force the trade back to Edmonton?

I do see the need for another veteran who's been through the grind of the playoffs enough to know how to contribute--where's Steve Larmer when you really need him?

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We need specifics for the team like a face off specialist which also would improve our PP just by winning more draws and upping our puck possession time . I like our Blueline...but I will continue to harp for a mean brute to make life miserable for the Hartnell and Kunitz type players who eventually one of these games are going to fall all over Hank and hurt him . That is the biggest FEAR I have with this team at the moment which could make it all crumble very quickly .

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I think you can send someone like Christensen down. You could potentially even waive Wolski and send him down.
I don't see the point in waiving Wolski now that he's already burned up $2M in cap space. They needed to cut bait a long time ago if they were going to go that route.

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Ruutu is 28. And will cost far less.
How do you know this? I'd say there is a market for Ruutu. You get 2 teams interested and the price is only going up.

I don't see where the idea comes from that Doan is a high value asset. Last night's hattie came on the heels of a 5 or 6 game pointless streak, 3 points over the last 12 games. Just 2 goals in December, 3 in November. Yah, he came out of the box like a house afire back in October, but honestly, I've been pretty shocked at his inability to produce since then.

I'm weighing the option of keeping all my assets and hoping Wolski can match the massive inconsistency production of players like Doan or Smyth. It doesn't seems like much of a stretch IMO.

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I do see the need for another veteran who's been through the grind of the playoffs enough to know how to contribute--where's Steve Larmer when you really need him?
I'd hope that Rupp brought a lot of that. Richards and Fedotenko came with a lot of it too. Is there room to add much more "experience"?

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I don't see the point in waiving Wolski now that he's already burned up $2M in cap space. They needed to cut bait a long time ago if they were going to go that route.
Completely agree.

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I'd hope that Rupp brought a lot of that. Richards and Fedotenko came with a lot of it too. Is there room to add much more "experience"?
On the blue line there is. Need to add a vet D in my opinion.

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I don't see the point in waiving Wolski now that he's already burned up $2M in cap space. They needed to cut bait a long time ago if they were going to go that route.
You could have said the same thing last year regarding Todd White, so there is a precedence.

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I don't see where the idea comes from that Doan is a high value asset. Last night's hattie came on the heels of a 5 or 6 game pointless streak, 3 points over the last 12 games. Just 2 goals in December, 3 in November. Yah, he came out of the box like a house afire back in October, but honestly, I've been pretty shocked at his inability to produce since then.
Doan has high value to the Coyotes due to his importance to that franchise. The Coyotes will want to be blown away in order to move Doan, similar to what the Flames would want for Iginla.


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You could have said the same thing last year regarding Todd White, so there is a precedence.
As I recall, not a lot of people understood keeping White on the roster either.

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As I recall, not a lot of people understood keeping White on the roster either.

Agreed. But, that doesn't mean the Rangers still wouldn't eventually send Wolski down if it allowed them to improve the team.

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Agreed. But, that doesn't mean the Rangers still wouldn't eventually send Wolski down if it allowed them to improve the team.
I think Wolski may have trade value to a team looking to catch lightning in a bottle with little risk as he is an expiring contract.

White's greatest value to the team was sitting in the press box because it allowed the Rangers to keep their kids playing in Hartford instead of sitting on Broadway.

The biggest question is where would Wolski play? If he's not playing top six minutes, playing with other top six players, how effective can he be? I liken his situation a little to that of Marcel Hossa — he needs to provide offense in order to really add value to the team. Can Wolski bring anything playing on the third or fourth lines? Not sure.

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The fact its known that Wolski is ready to play and isn't in the lineup, is telling about how much faith the coaching staff has in him.

He's gone, sooner then later.

Christensen they can afford to let rot in the pressbox.

Wolski with a 3.8 cap hit, and what ever that is prorated to this point in the season, can be used to upgrade the roster.

3.8

Ruutu's cap hit is 3.8.

Wolski is a RFA. Ruutu a UFA.

Canes could have at least some more control with Wolski. Add a couple of pieces of value, Zuccarello and a 2nd round pick, possibly even another mid-level prospect. That's a solid return for a player they have zero control over or leverage over in the summer.

Ruutu, if traded here, could want to stay on a winning team. Resign him at least short term. 2-3 years. He will be just as effective as he is now at the end of that kind of contract. He will be 30-31. And he could be used as trade bait that year at the deadline.

Affordable move, makes our roster deeper, more killed, more scoring depth, even physically tougher then it already is, as well as more size and speed.

Ruutu wont cost a lot. Other teams may be in on him. But it will simply be a matter of which affordable package is more appealing to the Canes.

What similar package will the Caps and Pens put together?

Wolski, Zuccarello (AHL all-star, SEL MVP), 2nd round pick.

We can add to that package, and it will still be affordable.

Add any of or even two of Valentenko, Noreau, McColgan, Bourque, Ceresnak, Yogan.

Highly doubtful any top prospect will be dealt for Ruutu, by any team. We have enough "fat" to burn in this trade. To put a quality package together to get it done.

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The fact its known that Wolski is ready to play and isn't in the lineup, is telling about how much faith the coaching staff has in him.

I don't think Wolski not playing has any indication of the coaching staff's faith or lack of faith in him. Right now, they have faith in the guys who are playing night in and night out. I think that's more the case than they don't trust Wolski.



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Wolski with a 3.8 cap hit, and what ever that is prorated to this point in the season, can be used to upgrade the roster.

3.8

Ruutu's cap hit is 3.8.

Wolski is a RFA. Ruutu a UFA.

Canes could have at least some more control with Wolski. Add a couple of pieces of value, Zuccarello and a 2nd round pick, possibly even another mid-level prospect. That's a solid return for a player they have zero control over or leverage over in the summer.

Ruutu, if traded here, could want to stay on a winning team. Resign him at least short term. 2-3 years. He will be just as effective as he is now at the end of that kind of contract. He will be 30-31. And he could be used as trade bait that year at the deadline.

Affordable move, makes our roster deeper, more killed, more scoring depth, even physically tougher then it already is, as well as more size and speed.

Ruutu wont cost a lot. Other teams may be in on him. But it will simply be a matter of which affordable package is more appealing to the Canes.

What similar package will the Caps and Pens put together?

Wolski, Zuccarello (AHL all-star, SEL MVP), 2nd round pick.

We can add to that package, and it will still be affordable.

Add any of or even two of Valentenko, Noreau, McColgan, Bourque, Ceresnak, Yogan.

Highly doubtful any top prospect will be dealt for Ruutu, by any team. We have enough "fat" to burn in this trade. To put a quality package together to get it done.
I have to wonder what Zuccarello's trade value really is. He came to NA and really has not had a ton of success. I have to think he would be more open to returning to the SEL than he would be playing in the AHL or re-signing or signing with a team with the idea that he would have to win a spot in training camp.

Someone may take a chance on him and let him play in the NHL for the remainder of the season and see what happens, but to me, he's a throw-in at this point not a main piece of a deal.

If the Canes were offered what you're offering, they really only get a 2nd that they can be sure will be part of their organization next year. Is that enough for them to deal Ruutu? Not sure.

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I have to wonder what Zuccarello's trade value really is. He came to NA and really has not had a ton of success. I have to think he would be more open to returning to the SEL than he would be playing in the AHL or re-signing or signing with a team with the idea that he would have to win a spot in training camp.

Someone may take a chance on him and let him play in the NHL for the remainder of the season and see what happens, but to me, he's a throw-in at this point — not a main piece of a deal.

If the Canes were offered what you're offering, they really only get a 2nd that they can be sure will be part of their organization next year. Is that enough for them to deal Ruutu? Not sure.
I know the title of the trade thread makes light of the proposal, but, the truth is, a package of Thomas (a "B" type prospect with some upside), and a 2nd round pick is usually the standard asking price for most pending UFAs of Ruutu's ability. That's the kind of package I'd expect to see a team give up to acquire him. Of course, you always get the odd deal when a team is desparate. The problem for the Rangers is that, right now, their 2nd pick doesn't currently have the value of say, Pittsburgh's 2nd round pick. It also comes down to how Carolina views different prospects that they're being offered.


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I personally would not have a problem trading Thomas for Ruutu.

If that's what it takes.

Thomas has a ton of skill, and also doesn't do anything unless he's scoring. Scoring a ton and being small and one dimensional is not the same as scoring a ton and being small and one dimensional at the NHL level.

Sacrificing Thomas for a player of Ruutu's caliber is fine.

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I don't think Wolski not playing has any indication of the coaching staff's faith or lack of faith in him. Right now, they have faith in the guys who are playing night in and night out. I think that's more the case than they don't trust Wolski.





I have to wonder what Zuccarello's trade value really is. He came to NA and really has not had a ton of success. I have to think he would be more open to returning to the SEL than he would be playing in the AHL or re-signing or signing with a team with the idea that he would have to win a spot in training camp.

Someone may take a chance on him and let him play in the NHL for the remainder of the season and see what happens, but to me, he's a throw-in at this point not a main piece of a deal.

If the Canes were offered what you're offering, they really only get a 2nd that they can be sure will be part of their organization next year. Is that enough for them to deal Ruutu? Not sure.
Zuccarello has almost no value. He didn't do much when he was up, but more than anything he lacks size. Teams will always be weary because of that simple issue. Remember, St. Louis was a waiver claim as a speedy forward that was playing ok.

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Zuccarello has almost no value. He didn't do much when he was up, but more than anything he lacks size. Teams will always be weary because of that simple issue. Remember, St. Louis was a waiver claim as a speedy forward that was playing ok.
Evgeny Grachev returned a 3rd round pick.

Bobby Sanguinetti returned a 2nd round pick and a 6th round pick.

You THINk the value isn't there, but these players do have value to a team that can afford to take the risk that a change or scenery and a better chance and they'll become good players.

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Evgeny Grachev returned a 3rd round pick.

Bobby Sanguinetti returned a 2nd round pick and a 6th round pick.

You THINk the value isn't there, but these players do have value to a team that can afford to take the risk that a change or scenery and a better chance and they'll become good players.
im sure for Ruutu it would take at least a first round pick to the Canes especially when ya have AHL players getting a 2ed or 3rd round pick value in a trade. has Sanguinetti even made the Canes yet???

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The GAS line has gone a bit stale. Anisimov scoreless in his last 7 games. It's a shame having a talent like Wolski sitting in the press box. Rupp has impressed me the most out of the bottom 6 guys.

Wolski - Stepan - Gabby
Dubi - Richards - Cally
Hagelin - Anisimov - Rupp
Feds - Boyle - Prust

Mitchell can literally fill in anywhere in the bottom 6 if needed

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