HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Everyone comes back from injury

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-08-2012, 02:24 PM
  #26
AntonCH
Registered User
 
AntonCH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,796
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roulin View Post
IMO the Habs are a better team with Gomez on the ice than Darche or Nokelainen.







Are people purposefully leaving out Kaberle?
I'd rather see him dealt for a 2nd rounder plus middling prospect.
If he keeps putting up numbers we have a shot at getting a decent return
Just my 2 cents

Or to make you feel better

Markov Emelin
Subban Gorges
Kaberle Diaz
Gill
campoli

AntonCH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2012, 02:30 PM
  #27
MJG
Registered User
 
MJG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,123
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by thebinne4pres View Post
Call me crazy....but keep in mind that we didn't see all the players in this new offensive style of play that Cunneyworth is using. Some are and will be more effective.

The thing is....chemistry.
Not the best player overall....but chemistry is everything right now.
If there's not chemistry between players, we need to change

Moen - Eller - AK
Pacioretty - DD - Cole
Cammalleri - Gomez - Gionta
Blundem/Darche/Nokeleinen - Plekanec - White

Markov - Subban
Emelin - Gorges
Kaberle - Diaz/Gill

Tell me that Plekanec, as good as he is, have tremoundous chemistry with either Gionta and/or Cammy...Do we break all the chemistry of the other line to find chemistry with Plekanec?? While we know Gionta and Gomez have that chemisrty and with Cammy, this line could be a monster in an offensive style!!

At least...i'd try that!!
You just put Pleks on the 4th line. If you want Gomez with Gio the put Darche/Blunden with them and then put Pleks with Cammy and White.

MJG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2012, 02:31 PM
  #28
Killerguitar101*
 
Join Date: May 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 468
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Killerguitar101*
Quote:
Originally Posted by Teufelsdreck View Post
You're too assertive. You state opinions as though they were facts. Absolute is a strong term and while some players may lack grit it doesn't apply to everyone. As for Markov, what do you know that the rest of us don't? If and when he appears in uniform, are you going to wear a tee shirt admitting that you flunked out of medical school in the second week of your first semester?
No, this is Pierre Gauthier.

And what I say aren't opinions, they are facts. Canadiens lack of grit of toughness. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact that's being conveyed by most hockey specialists eveywhere but in Montreal.

Killerguitar101* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2012, 02:40 PM
  #29
go_habs_go
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,230
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to go_habs_go
What if we were to role 4 offensive minded lines?

Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Cammalleri - Plekanec - Leblanc
Moen - Eller - Kostitsyn
White - Gomez - Gionta

go_habs_go is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2012, 02:48 PM
  #30
Pierre Dagenais
RIP Mr. Hockey
 
Pierre Dagenais's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,647
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killerguitar101 View Post
Stop doing drugs. There's absolutly no grit, toughness and rough stuff on this roster.

And Markov isn't going to be back.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killerguitar101 View Post
No, this is Pierre Gauthier.

And what I say aren't opinions, they are facts. Canadiens lack of grit of toughness. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact that's being conveyed by most hockey specialists eveywhere but in Montreal.
Opinion. Not fact.

Pierre Dagenais is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-08-2012, 02:55 PM
  #31
YMCMBeaulieu
A$AP MICHEL
 
YMCMBeaulieu's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,624
vCash: 500
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gionta
Cammalleri - Desharnais - Cole
Moen - Eller - Kostitsyn
X -Gomez - White

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Gill - Diaz
Kaberle

Keep Gomez on the 4th line until he shows he DESERVES more than 4th line minutes, I guarantee Randy won't be giving him 18-20 minutes a night and PP minutes like Jacques was if he continues to play like ****. I like the idea of playing 7 D and keeping Gill/Kaberle's 5 on 5 minutes limited, Diaz doesn't deserved to be scratched and Markov won't be playing over 20 minutes a night when he comes back.

YMCMBeaulieu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 12:48 AM
  #32
Mr. Hab
Registered User
 
Mr. Hab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,117
vCash: 500
I drank a bit too much on Saturday night (it happens sometimes!) while watching our Habs vs Tampa ...didn't observe all the lines on Saturday (except Moen-Eller-AKosts), but would anyone know the official lines pre-game and if coach Randy was consistent in using these lines for the Saturday victory? (thanks).

Mr. Hab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 12:54 AM
  #33
Vasculio
Booya !
 
Vasculio's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: La Tuque
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,338
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killerguitar101 View Post
No, this is Pierre Gauthier.

And what I say aren't opinions, they are facts. Canadiens lack of grit of toughness. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact that's being conveyed by most hockey specialists eveywhere but in Montreal.
Nope, it's only your opinion. You see what you want to see. Simple.

Vasculio is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 12:55 AM
  #34
Hackett
HF Needs Feeny
 
Hackett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,825
vCash: 500
I dont like cammy-pleks-gionta. Its not so much about size, because I've seen small lines work before, but there isn't much cohesion there. Its the type of line that should be dangerous in transition, but it just doesnt work. I dont have a fix for it either.

I really like our Eller line, and the DD line though. I dont want to break those up.

Hackett is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 12:57 AM
  #35
Killerguitar101*
 
Join Date: May 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 468
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Killerguitar101*
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vasculio View Post
Nope, it's only your opinion. You see what you want to see. Simple.
I see a bunch of soft 5 ft 8 on the Habs.

Fact.

Killerguitar101* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 02:55 AM
  #36
MasterD
Registered User
 
MasterD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,580
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LyricalLyricist View Post
No team in the NHL, not even Boston who have an unreal stretch, are at a .75 clip, no one. How do you figure montreal would do this? 3/5? Maybe, 3/4? no. If montreals goes at 0.6 winning percentage they'd finish with less than 90 points. Game over. We're 7 points out of 8th with a game extra played and 5 points out of 15th with 2 games extra played. The sadest part is this comes after 2 wins a row. If that were 2 losses...1 point off bottom of the pack. At a certain point, this line up needs a NJD type of 2nd half or dreams over so I'm kinda hoping they don't fool people into thinking they'll make it.
Everybody says we need to go at a 0.600 pace or whatnot... Now, I have not calculated anything, ans I have drank a little too much of this amazing beer to start, but I'm pretty sure people forget the 1 point for OT/shootout loss. If we get a few of those, playoffs are not out of reach.







By the way, even with the 2 last wins and how exciting the team has been, I wish we would do a "firesell" (get rid of Gomez, find a decent trade for Cammalleri, possibly Pleks or Pacioretti if the return makes sense *ie. Getzlaf)) and finish deep down to finally draft someone realy good. I do not see a point in finishing [8-10]

MasterD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 08:13 AM
  #37
crazyd
Canada is hockey
 
crazyd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,090
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pernell Karl View Post
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gionta
Cammalleri - Desharnais - Cole
Moen - Eller - Kostitsyn
X -Gomez - White
The only problem with this roster is Cammy dragging down any line on which he will find himself on. BUT...if he is to wake up, DD and Cole are pretty much the best bet.

Gomez is were he ought to be. He needs to revert his number to #91 and play Bang-Crash-Shoot hockey to revive what ever is left of his hockey career.

An alternative I would like to try:
Nokes- Eller - AK
Moen - Gomer - White

Eller is having a hard time in the faceoff circle. Nokes becomes an excellent backup.

crazyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 08:35 AM
  #38
EllertoKostitsynGoal
Registered User
 
EllertoKostitsynGoal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Mtl
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,055
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarto View Post
The only problem with this roster is Cammy dragging down any line on which he will find himself on. BUT...if he is to wake up, DD and Cole are pretty much the best bet.

Gomez is were he ought to be. He needs to revert his number to #91 and play Bang-Crash-Shoot hockey to revive what ever is left of his hockey career.

An alternative I would like to try:
Nokes- Eller - AK
Moen - Gomer - White

Eller is having a hard time in the faceoff circle. Nokes becomes an excellent backup.
I don't think a couple more won faceoffs make it worth breaking that line. They are our best line everytime they are together and with our defence I don't think breaking our top shutdown line is a good idea.

EllertoKostitsynGoal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 09:00 AM
  #39
Talent Analyst
Registered User
 
Talent Analyst's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: 100th years
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,052
vCash: 500
Kostitsyn-Eller-Moen
Cammalleri-DD-Cole
Pacioretty-Plekanek-Gionta
Darche-Blunden

Markov-Emelin
Gorges-Subban
Kaberle-Gill
Diaz (play 7D)

Talent Analyst is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 09:00 AM
  #40
Vasculio
Booya !
 
Vasculio's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: La Tuque
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,338
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killerguitar101 View Post
I see a bunch of soft 5 ft 8 on the Habs.

Fact.
You focus on 3 players ??

Oh, and size = grit now ?!

Get a grip man...

Vasculio is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 09:01 AM
  #41
LyricalLyricist
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 21,503
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterD View Post
Everybody says we need to go at a 0.600 pace or whatnot... Now, I have not calculated anything, ans I have drank a little too much of this amazing beer to start, but I'm pretty sure people forget the 1 point for OT/shootout loss. If we get a few of those, playoffs are not out of reach.

By the way, even with the 2 last wins and how exciting the team has been, I wish we would do a "firesell" (get rid of Gomez, find a decent trade for Cammalleri, possibly Pleks or Pacioretti if the return makes sense *ie. Getzlaf)) and finish deep down to finally draft someone realy good. I do not see a point in finishing [8-10]
Okay, i'll put a different system in place.

Habs need around what, 94 points? We currently have 39, we need 55 more. Instead of doing win % i'll do point %. With 41 GP left, we have to make 55 points out of a possible 82PTS. That's 67% for point percentage. Now...the highest ranked team in the league, the NYR are currently sitting at a 71.8% and say the 6th ranked team in our conference is at 58.5%. The vancouver canucks, 2nd in the NHL are at 65.4% So again, to get 94 pts we need to keep a similar point percentage between 1st and 2nd in the entire league and way above the 6-7-8 ranked teams. Yah...we're not making it.

LyricalLyricist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 09:18 AM
  #42
Vasculio
Booya !
 
Vasculio's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: La Tuque
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,338
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by LyricalLyricist View Post
Okay, i'll put a different system in place.

Habs need around what, 94 points? We currently have 39, we need 55 more. Instead of doing win % i'll do point %. With 41 GP left, we have to make 55 points out of a possible 82PTS. That's 67% for point percentage. Now...the highest ranked team in the league, the NYR are currently sitting at a 71.8% and say the 6th ranked team in our conference is at 58.5%. The vancouver canucks, 2nd in the NHL are at 65.4% So again, to get 94 pts we need to keep a similar point percentage between 1st and 2nd in the entire league and way above the 6-7-8 ranked teams. Yah...we're not making it.
Chances are very slim, indeed, but, really, who knows ? Season's not finished until it is finished.

But yeah, VERY slim, I like our wins thus far, the way the team plays, but the poor play under JM and the time it took for Gauthier to fire him was too long...

Vasculio is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 11:29 AM
  #43
One Man Rock Band
T-Ross!!
 
One Man Rock Band's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Habville
Country: Canada
Posts: 45,548
vCash: 500
Cammalleri - Desharnais - Cole
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gionta
Moen - Eller - Kostitsyn
White - Gomez - Double Shifting Forward*

Markov - Gorges
Emelin - Diaz (****ing love this pairing)
Kaberle - Subban
Gill

* Darche/Weber if we go with 12 forwards.

- Blunden demoted.
- Campoli traded or waived.

EX: Darche, Weber, Nokelainen

NOTE: Defense is hard to figure out. I don't want Gill in the Top-6. Can Kaberle play RD? I don't like Emelin on RD, plus I love him with Diaz. Subban goes to 3rd pairing by default (but he'd have lots of PP time and PK time anyway, so he'd be playing 20 minutes per game still).

Ideally, I'd probably trade Gill and let Weber play as the 7th defenseman, with the odd shift on the 4th line when everyone is tired.

One Man Rock Band is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 11:52 AM
  #44
The Kremelin Wall*
the krEMELIN wall
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,769
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by natey2k4 View Post
Cammalleri - Desharnais - Cole
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gionta
Moen - Eller - Kostitsyn
White - Gomez - Double Shifting Forward*

Markov - Gorges
Emelin - Diaz (****ing love this pairing)
Kaberle - Subban
Gill

* Darche/Weber if we go with 12 forwards.

- Blunden demoted.
- Campoli traded or waived.

EX: Darche, Weber, Nokelainen

NOTE: Defense is hard to figure out. I don't want Gill in the Top-6. Can Kaberle play RD? I don't like Emelin on RD, plus I love him with Diaz. Subban goes to 3rd pairing by default (but he'd have lots of PP time and PK time anyway, so he'd be playing 20 minutes per game still).

Ideally, I'd probably trade Gill and let Weber play as the 7th defenseman, with the odd shift on the 4th line when everyone is tired.
Shocking, I agree with you. Letting Subban skate with both Gill and Kaberle would let him get the ice time he needs, as well as know when to shutdown and when to go offense. Emelin-Diaz is amazing, especially considering how little chemistry they had at first.

Preferably Gomez is gone too. Nokelainen is pretty good at faceoffs and can kill penalties, which is more useful than Gomez. Eller/Nokelainen as our PK guys gives Plekanec some rest. I'd prefer Blunden to Darche as the 12th though, he's younger and could have a future as a fourth liner here. White/Blunden-Nokelainen-White/Blunden could be a good physical line(who don't take penalties) who can put up points every now and then. All three have untapped offensive potential. Especially Nokelainen, I'll be disappointed if we let him go for nothing. He's young, wins faceoffs, Finnish, is big and can kill penalties.

The Kremelin Wall* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 11:56 AM
  #45
One Man Rock Band
T-Ross!!
 
One Man Rock Band's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Habville
Country: Canada
Posts: 45,548
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Kremelin Wall View Post
Shocking, I agree with you. Letting Subban skate with both Gill and Kaberle would let him get the ice time he needs, as well as know when to shutdown and when to go offense. Emelin-Diaz is amazing, especially considering how little chemistry they had at first.

Preferably Gomez is gone too. Nokelainen is pretty good at faceoffs and can kill penalties, which is more useful than Gomez. Eller/Nokelainen as our PK guys gives Plekanec some rest. I'd prefer Blunden to Darche as the 12th though, he's younger and could have a future as a fourth liner here. White/Blunden-Nokelainen-White/Blunden could be a good physical line(who don't take penalties) who can put up points every now and then. All three have untapped offensive potential. Especially Nokelainen, I'll be disappointed if we let him go for nothing. He's young, wins faceoffs, Finnish, is big and can kill penalties.
I would prefer Nokelainen in the line-up too. Darche/Blunden is a wash for me. Darche is pretty good on the PK but Blunden hits really hard.

But, we both know Gomez is getting his spot back no matter what. It's also why I put Gill down instead of Weber, who I'd prefer get the ice-time.

One Man Rock Band is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 12:02 PM
  #46
OneSharpMarble
Registered User
 
OneSharpMarble's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,359
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by natey2k4 View Post
Cammalleri - Desharnais - Cole
Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gionta
Moen - Eller - Kostitsyn
White - Gomez - Double Shifting Forward*

Markov - Gorges
Emelin - Diaz (****ing love this pairing)
Kaberle - Subban
Gill

* Darche/Weber if we go with 12 forwards.

- Blunden demoted.
- Campoli traded or waived.

EX: Darche, Weber, Nokelainen

NOTE: Defense is hard to figure out. I don't want Gill in the Top-6. Can Kaberle play RD? I don't like Emelin on RD, plus I love him with Diaz. Subban goes to 3rd pairing by default (but he'd have lots of PP time and PK time anyway, so he'd be playing 20 minutes per game still).

Ideally, I'd probably trade Gill and let Weber play as the 7th defenseman, with the odd shift on the 4th line when everyone is tired.
I don't think Subban and Kaberle should be together, Subban makes a lot of dumb plays that put him out of position. Gorges has been covering for him a lot. Your forward lines are good though.

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Kaberle - Diaz
Gill

Subban should also be kept off the 1st PP line, his shot isn't what it used to be and is costing us way too many plays.

OneSharpMarble is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 01:00 PM
  #47
One Man Rock Band
T-Ross!!
 
One Man Rock Band's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Habville
Country: Canada
Posts: 45,548
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OneSharpMarble View Post
I don't think Subban and Kaberle should be together, Subban makes a lot of dumb plays that put him out of position. Gorges has been covering for him a lot. Your forward lines are good though.

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Kaberle - Diaz
Gill

Subban should also be kept off the 1st PP line, his shot isn't what it used to be and is costing us way too many plays.
I love Emelin, but he looks like garbage on the right side. Well, garbage is overdoing it, but he doesn't look comfortable there at all. He makes worse decisions, hits less, and just doesn't play his game.

Kaberle/Subban would play sheltered minutes at ES. 10ish minutes per game. Or you could go Gill-Subban, which had some success when it wasn't a first pairing before. Maybe it can work against as a 3rd pairing, and you can give them 10 minutes at ES (which both would get more with the PK/PP).

I wouldn't put Markov on the PK very often (only over Kaberle), so that he can focus on offense and so he can work on getting his game going again.

Emelin, Diaz, Gill, Subban, and Gorges are more than enough to carry the PK duties.

Markov - 20 minutes per game
Gorges - 22 minutes per game
Emelin - 20 minutes per game
Diaz - 18 minutes per game
Subban - 20 minutes per game
Kaberle - 10 minutes per game
Gill - 10 minutes per game

Give or take a few minutes every game depending on the PP/PK situations.

And yes, my first PP wave would be;

Patches - DD - Cole
Kaberle - Markov

Followed by;
Cammalleri - Plekanec - Gionta
Kaberle - Markov

Followed by;
Gomez - Eller - Kostitsyn
Subban - Diaz

One Man Rock Band is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 01:18 PM
  #48
Pierre Dagenais
RIP Mr. Hockey
 
Pierre Dagenais's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 10,647
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by natey2k4 View Post
...
Kaberle @ 10 mins is way too little. I don't think he has ever played that little in a single game.

Pierre Dagenais is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 05:47 PM
  #49
One Man Rock Band
T-Ross!!
 
One Man Rock Band's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Habville
Country: Canada
Posts: 45,548
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre Dagenais View Post
Kaberle @ 10 mins is way too little. I don't think he has ever played that little in a single game.
Well he's played 14 minutes here a bunch of times.

One Man Rock Band is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
01-09-2012, 05:57 PM
  #50
Teufelsdreck
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 14,619
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killerguitar101 View Post
No, this is Pierre Gauthier.

And what I say aren't opinions, they are facts. Canadiens lack of grit of toughness. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact that's being conveyed by most hockey specialists eveywhere but in Montreal.
Do you dispute that they forechecked the hell out of the Lightning? If that doesn't involve grit, then you don't know the meaning of the word. Or what about the Jet game? Yes, it is only your opinion.

Teufelsdreck is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:46 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.