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01-01-2012, 12:11 AM
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Daniel Tkaczuk for sure in 1999 had to be the highlight of his life
Same tourney, same line -- Rico Fata looked like the real deal

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Jesse Wallin was a prominent defender on Team Canada in the mid nineties and didn't really amount to too much...

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Same tourney, same line -- Rico Fata looked like the real deal
I dunno great speed like his with a 7-1-3-4 mark and his jr track record should have raised eyebrows but his speed made some people overlook his lack of hockey sense.

Mind you it wasn't a great draft year so maybe that's why Calgary took the gamble.

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In 1990 Dave Chyzowski played 7 games netting 9 goals and 4 assists at the WJC.
As much as many people really enjoy the WJC, it has little if any influence on what NHL GM's will decide with respect to a player.

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I'm man enough to admit that I thought Jordan Eberle was going to belong in this thread. I guess it will be tough to top the highs he reached in the WJC though.

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aaron gavey - faceoff and defensive specialist, a fringe nhler
jimmy waite - looked like the next great qmjhl goalie
patrice cormier - was team captain now looks a minor leaguer
brandon reid - had best tourny of any player not to make nhl

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Who was that Finn who made that highlight goal from way out, "the shot heard around the world"?

And there was a Slovak goalie who was great at the WJC.

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01-01-2012, 07:42 AM
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aaron gavey - faceoff and defensive specialist, a fringe nhler
jimmy waite - looked like the next great qmjhl goalie
patrice cormier - was team captain now looks a minor leaguer
brandon reid - had best tourny of any player not to make nhl
uhm, still could be a decent 3rd liner in the future

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I'm man enough to admit that I thought Jordan Eberle was going to belong in this thread. I guess it will be tough to top the highs he reached in the WJC though.
I'm in the same boat, didn't know if he was big enough to translate his game to the NHL but the playoffs are still another matter but count me in the "I think he can do it crowd now".

Mind you he will never reach his 12-14-12-26 WJC line in the NHL but he will be an excellent sniper in the years to come.

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Im going to throw some names out there.

Esa Keskinen, one of the biggest juior stars scored 32 points in 14 wjc games. Went on to have successful career in FEL and SEL.
Just curious how a guy who you said had a successful career would be considered as someone who fizzled?



Disagree with the two posters who said Todd Harvey. He played 671 NHL games and was a very effective player in his role. Just cuz he wasn't a 50 goal per season kind of player doesn't mean he fizzled.

edit - I think Eberle will be a great player for many years and as long as he can get off the Oilers will have a career that will make his WJC pale in comparison.

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Disagree with the two posters who said Todd Harvey. He played 671 NHL games and was a very effective player in his role. Just cuz he wasn't a 50 goal per season kind of player doesn't mean he fizzled.
I don't consider this thread to be about guys who fizzled. But as the title says players who played their best hockey during the WJC. From what I remember Todd Harvey was one of the best players on Team Canada (and probably the whole tournament) that year. Thus, his best hockey was played during the WJC. Ergo, based on that he should have been one of the best players in the NHL. He didn't live up to the hype. To be perfectly honest, I don't recall Todd Harvey in the NHL. I'm shocked to find out he played over 600 games in the NHL.

Actually, I'd throw Alexandre Daigle in this one too. He never quite lived up to the billing he received both from the WJCs and his junior hype. In my mind he is best remembered as the guy who wore a wedding dress on a hockey card.

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I don't consider this thread to be about guys who fizzled. But as the title says players who played their best hockey during the WJC. From what I remember Todd Harvey was one of the best players on Team Canada (and probably the whole tournament) that year. Thus, his best hockey was played during the WJC. Ergo, based on that he should have been one of the best players in the NHL. He didn't live up to the hype. To be perfectly honest, I don't recall Todd Harvey in the NHL. I'm shocked to find out he played over 600 games in the NHL.

Actually, I'd throw Alexandre Daigle in this one too. He never quite lived up to the billing he received both from the WJCs and his junior hype. In my mind he is best remembered as the guy who wore a wedding dress on a hockey card.
Its all cool but the actual topic per the OP was players who fizzled after being stars in the WJC. Titles are just a brief synopsis of the actual premise, the premise itself is in the post.

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Now that the World Juniors are underway, I have a question: who has played their best hockey during the WJC?

I mean, for each player who were star players for two weeks, the duration of the WJC, there were those players who went on to achieve NHL/KHL stardom (or their home country's league) during their senior careers. But there were those players who were star players during the World Juniors but fizzled later.
I would say that Harvey played his best hockey when he was in the NHL and not in the juniors. He was more developed as a player. Actually I'm surprised you don't remember him in the NHL. In any event just because he " was one of the best players on Team Canada (and probably the whole tournament) that year" does not automatically equate to "his best hockey was played during the WJC"

Also to say "Ergo, based on that he should have been one of the best players in the NHL." is not a very convincing argument. Just b/c a guy was one of the best players in a 2 week tournament played when he was a teen-ager is hardly a valid point to suggest said player would end up being one of the best players in the NHL, it's kind of silly actually.


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I would say that Harvey played his best hockey when he was in the NHL and not in the juniors. He was more developed as a player. Actually I'm surprised you don't remember him in the NHL. In any event just because he " was one of the best players on Team Canada (and probably the whole tournament) that year" does not automatically equate to "his best hockey was played during the WJC"

Also to say "Ergo, based on that he should have been one of the best players in the NHL." is not a very convincing argument. Just b/c a guy was one of the best players in a 2 week tournament played when he was a teen-ager is hardly a valid point to suggest said player would end up being one of the best players in the NHL, it's kind of silly actually.
I think you're being the silly one here. In reference to their best hockey, everything's relative to their competition, so when Harvey was a go-to guy for Canada and projected as a Bobby Clarke clone, you bet that level of play for him was better than being a fourth liner on the Rangers.

Going by your logic, anyone who graduated from juniors would have surpassed their WJC highs and this thread would be pretty short on names.

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I think you're being the silly one here. In reference to their best hockey, everything's relative to their competition, so when Harvey was a go-to guy for Canada and projected as a Bobby Clarke clone, you bet that level of play for him was better than being a fourth liner on the Rangers.

Going by your logic, anyone who graduated from juniors would have surpassed their WJC highs and this thread would be pretty short on names.
Not really. In 14 GP in the WJC he had 10 goals and 3 assists which is less than 1 PPG as a "go to guy" as described by you. Not to shabby but his best hockey? No.

In the OHL in 173 GP he scored 271 points. His best offensive hockey was in junior hockey. He played far and away better hockey in the OHL as a "go to guy" then he did in the WJC.

In the NHL he played a grinder/defensive role and he was highly effective at it. IMHO he was more effective as a 3rd/4th liner in the NHL then he was as a "go to guy" in 2 short 2 week tournaments in the WJC.

Upon second thought and further review I think he played his best hockey in his role as a scorer in the OHL. His 2nd best hockey was his grinder/defensive role in the NHL. His best hockey, regardless of style, was most defeinitely not in the WJC.


This is all besides the actual premise of the thread which is going from a star player in WJC to fizzling later. I contend he did not fizzle after the WJC, he developed into a grinder/defensive role and he played his 2nd best hockey in said role. His best hockey was as a scorer in the junior ranks albeit not in the WJC.

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Just curious how a guy who you said had a successful career would be considered as someone who fizzled?



Disagree with the two posters who said Todd Harvey. He played 671 NHL games and was a very effective player in his role. Just cuz he wasn't a 50 goal per season kind of player doesn't mean he fizzled.

edit - I think Eberle will be a great player for many years and as long as he can get off the Oilers will have a career that will make his WJC pale in comparison.
A successful career in Sweden and in Finland, leagues that I would consider as being between the AHL and the NHL in terms of actual playing level, just isn't the same as a successful career in the NHL/KHL.

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A successful career in Sweden and in Finland, leagues that I would consider as being between the AHL and the NHL in terms of actual playing level, just isn't the same as a successful career in the NHL/KHL.
I appreciate that, except for the KHL part as I haven't seen enough of that league myself to comment on how good it is, but if his career was successful how could it also be said to have fizzled?

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To be fair, Forsberg was amazing in that 1992-93 tournament, but much of his points record comes from the game against the abolutely abysmal Japan side that Sweden beat 20-1. Forsberg scored 10 points in that game.

I remember Niklas Sundström as a reliable two-way player who made room for the offensive prowess of Forsberg/Näslund. Sundström had 11 good years in the NHL and then returned back home to lead his MoDo to their first Swedish Championship in 28 years. Sundström has formed a duo with Norwegian Per-Åge Skröder in the SEL for most of the last 5 year period, producing 188 points in 226 games.

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To be fair, Forsberg was amazing in that 1992-93 tournament, but much of his points record comes from the game against the abolutely abysmal Japan side that Sweden beat 20-1. Forsberg scored 10 points in that game.
Forsberg scored 31 points in 7 games. Even if excluding the Japan game, he scored 21 points in 6 games. That's 3.5 pts per game during the games vs Canada, Czech/Slovak, USA, Russia, Finland and Germany.
Even if only counting games vs the top-6 opponents, his 3.5 points per game is more than anyone else have managed even if counting all their games.


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Forsberg scored 31 points in 7 games. Even if excluding the Japan game, he scored 21 points in 6 games. That's 3.5 pts per game during the games vs Canada, Czech/Slovak, USA, Russia, Finland and Germany.
Even if only counting games vs the top-6 opponents, his 3.5 points per game is more than anyone else have managed even if counting all their games.
Of course, I don't mean to say that it is not an amazing performance, they were absolutely outstanding. Certainly it has to be the best WJC performance ever from a single player. It's just that the Japan game is such a huge anomaly. 21 in 6 is unreal, 31 in 7 is downright unbelievable.

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I appreciate that, except for the KHL part as I haven't seen enough of that league myself to comment on how good it is, but if his career was successful how could it also be said to have fizzled?
I wouldn't consider Esa Keskinen as a player whose career has fizzled after the World Juniors then.

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uhm, still could be a decent 3rd liner in the future
His numbers aren't very good in the minor leagues this year for a future NHLer. Tops I see him is a fringe NHLer.

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His numbers aren't very good in the minor leagues this year for a future NHLer. Tops I see him is a fringe NHLer.
Besides his #s how has the rest of his play been? Has he been responsible defensively? Funny enough he just got called up to the NHL despite his "#s" not being very good [according to you]. Theres more to hockey than #s.

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