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01-11-2012, 06:36 PM
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Jim Nill would also be nice.
... and Ted Nolan...

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I will stand by my choice. Julien Brisebois.
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Molson probably called to ask him if he was still interested in buying the team

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Make sense, his name is back on the radar after his incredible performance in the Assante ad.
I find it hilarious that they sponsor our PP. I wouldn't distance myself the hell away from that if I were them!

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What the habs need to do is hire a smart young man in his prime mentally who's on top of the world he's living in. Not some dinosaur past his prime who's not familiar with the current context, doesn't understand the intricacies of managing a hockey team under a salary cap with prima donna entitled athletes.

And I have the utmost respect for S. Savard. Maybe as an advisor on general guidelines but not much more than that. His advice should be valued for what it is.

But if the habs want to change their fortune they need to hire a guy that has a radically different approach. A guy who is smart and is ahead of the curve and has the right mix of intelligence and experience. Ideally the candidate should be between the age of 35 and 50.

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Nice to see Molson educate himself as an owner and president by talking to hockey guys. He still needs to bring a winning culture to the organization by mining executives from successful organizations.

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Still want Damphousse.

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Could someone post an history of Savard's trades?? I recall him trading away guys like Cheelios, Schneider, Desjardins, Leclair..

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01-11-2012, 08:01 PM
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Could someone post an history of Savard's trades?? I recall him trading away guys like Cheelios, Schneider, Desjardins, Leclair..
He traded all of those guys but not all of his trades were terrible. My recollection is a few really good trades, some that were terrible at the time and some that turned out beyond terrible. Also, right before he was about to be fired, he had a trade in place to trade Roy for Stefan Fiset. Oh and his drafting was pretty much terrible in the 90's aside from Koivu. These are from what I remember

Winners
Damphouse to Habs for Shayne Corson, Vladmir Vujtek and Brent Ghilcrist to Oilers
Bellows to Habs for Russ Courtnall
Gary Leeman for Brian Skrudland
Muller to Habs with Rollie Melanson for Tom Chorske and Stephane Richer
(these 4 trades were key to the Habs cup run in 93)
Muller Traded from Montreal Canadiens with Craig Darby and Mathieu Schneider to New York Islanders for Vladimir Malakhov and Pierre Turgeon

Losers
Claude Lemieux to Devils for Sylvain Turgeon
Chris Chellios to Hawks for Dennis Savard
Carboneau for Jim Montgomery
Bellows for Marc Bureau
Peter Svoboda for Kevin Haller

Ended up Losers
Leclair, Dionne and Dejardin for Rechi


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Still want Damphousse.
Never understood why he was at all qualified.

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Why Julien Brisebois? He has a puss team in Tampa and Montreal isn'T going to get tougher with him.

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01-11-2012, 08:22 PM
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Still want Damphousse.
he's in court beginning next December facing wife battery charges. he's not going to be the next GM of the Habs

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Not completely... He drafted Koivu and Naslund.

But he hated the Russians like ALL the other guys who had played against them in 1972.
I think Savard was playing for the Habs when Naslund was drafted but he may have drafted Petr Svoboda. Other first round choices
1985 - Jose Charbonneau, Tom Chorske
1986 - Mark Pederson
1987 - Andrew Cassels
1988 - Eric Charron
1989 - Lindsay Vallis
1990 - Turner Stevenson
1991 - Brent Bilodeau
1992 - David Wilkie

Out of nine draft picks in the first round, only one legitimate NHLer (Cassels) and one marginal NHLer (Stevenson) were selected during this period of Savard's tenure. It was the beginning of the demise of the Canadiens.


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He was also spotted meeting with Jean Beliveau, about the coaching job for next year, for lunch, at the ritz.

Not sure if it`s for advice, but is it coincidence that Beliveau came on the record last week that he would take a NHL coaching position if offered?

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There may be a role for Savard in the organization but I don't want him has GM. He was the guy that completely ignored the European market for years while other teams strengthened their organizational depth. Our drafting record during his tenure was abysmal. He could replace and/or work the Gainey but I would like to see the team take a different direction when it comes to the GM position.
Another good reason to have Savard as GM.

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Not completely... He drafted Koivu and Naslund.

But he hated the Russians like ALL the other guys who had played against them in 1972.
Another good reason to have Savard as GM.

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Another good reason to have Savard as GM.



Another good reason to have Savard as GM.
Yes, our major problems are Emelin and Kostitsyn, not Cammalleri, Gill, Gionta and Gomez

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Yes, our major problems are Emelin and Kostitsyn, not Cammalleri, Gill, Gionta and Gomez
Which Habs' GM drafted Cammalleri, Gill, Gionta and Gomez? I don't remember his name. Do you?

I laugh at people thinking that Habs' problems are about names. Cammy and Gionta would play for the Bruins tommorow night and they'd play like if they were in their prime.

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01-11-2012, 09:01 PM
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I would take Pierre McGuire any day over Serge Savard coming back.

There, I said it.

/exhales
I hope it didn't hurt. The exhaling not the taking of McGuire.

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01-11-2012, 09:03 PM
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Senator may be a stand in until they find a full time GM. Somebody who has run a team day to day before. Something like Cliff Fletcher was for the Leafs between John Ferguson and Brian Burke
Great. Maybe he could sign Jeff Finger for a kazillion dollars a year like Fletcher did!

Seriously, Serge Savard and Geoff Molson are too very rich Montreal residents whose families have been linked for decades. So what if they went out for dinner. They probably talked about golf and good tasting wines they've had recently. Hockey probably didn't even come up.

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I bet they met of a charity event related to habs or something like that.

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Any GM that's going to build a team with toughness, grit, size, enforcing and that is mean minded will be ok for me.

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yes he is...i used to like marinaro but now he jsut annoys me

savard was on the tieman show 2-3 weeks ago and said he does not want to GM that he's done with hockey
Uh, no. I heard the show and that's not what he said. He said I have a job and I didn't apply anywhere else. He ducked Tieman's question.

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People criticize Savard a lot but under his tenure, the organisation felt 'safe' and stable for fans. Not like today. And when he was here, Montreal was considered an elite organisation and had clout in the league. Not today. He sure made some bad trades, but everybody did during those years. But he made some GREAT ones too. Some that got us the cup in 93. That's enough for me.

The Chelios trade wasn't his. He was forced to do it.

The only bad one was the Recchi trade. But nobody in the world expected Leclair to go ******* in Philly. Really, the trade was Recchi, a known 100 point man, against Desjardins.

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He traded all of those guys but not all of his trades were terrible. My recollection is a few really good trades, some that were terrible at the time and some that turned out beyond terrible. Also, right before he was about to be fired, he had a trade in place to trade Roy for Stefan Fiset. Oh and his drafting was pretty much terrible in the 90's aside from Koivu. These are fromwhat I remember

Winners
Damphouse to Habs for Shayne Corson, Vladmir Vujtek and Brent Ghilcrist to Oilers
Bellows to Habs for Russ Courtnall
Gary Leeman for Brian Skrudland
Muller to Habs with Rollie Melanson for Tom Chorske and Stephane Richer
(these 4 trades were key to the Habs cup run in 93)
Muller Traded from Montreal Canadiens with Craig Darby and Mathieu Schneider to New York Islanders for Vladimir Malakhov and Pierre Turgeon

Losers
Claude Lemieux to Devils for Sylvain Turgeon
Chris Chellios to Hawks for Dennis Savard
Carboneau for Jim Montgomery
Bellows for Marc Bureau
Peter Svoboda for Kevin Haller

Ended up Losers
Leclair, Dionne and Dejardin for Rechi
The Bellows trade wasn't that bad considering he had begun to suck.

The Lemieux trade may look bad today, but at the time, Claude Lemieux was hated by his teammates.

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A couple of additional notes in bold...

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He traded all of those guys but not all of his trades were terrible. My recollection is a few really good trades, some that were terrible at the time and some that turned out beyond terrible. Also, right before he was about to be fired, he had a trade in place to trade Roy for Stefan Fiset. Oh and his drafting was pretty much terrible in the 90's aside from Koivu. These are from what I remember

Winners
Damphouse to Habs for Shayne Corson, Vladmir Vujtek and Brent Ghilcrist to Oilers
Bellows to Habs for Russ Courtnall
Gary Leeman for Brian Skrudland
Muller to Habs with Rollie Melanson for Tom Chorske and Stephane Richer
(these 4 trades were key to the Habs cup run in 93)
Muller Traded from Montreal Canadiens with Craig Darby and Mathieu Schneider to New York Islanders for Vladimir Malakhov and Pierre Turgeon
Robbed Leafs by trading them Kordic for Courtnall

Losers
Claude Lemieux to Devils for Sylvain Turgeon
Chris Chellios AND a fricking 2nd rounder to Hawks for Dennis Savard
Carboneau for Jim Montgomery
Bellows for Marc Bureau
Peter Svoboda for Kevin Haller

Ended up Losers
Leclair, Dionne and Dejardin for Rechi
Savard build a strong team that won 2 Cups but had a lot of luck during these two Cup years. Many of the powerhouse teams were upset in the playoffs in '86 and '93 and we got outstanding goaltending from Roy.

Our drafting kept getting worse during Savard's tenure. I also remember reading that Habs scouting staff under Savard didn't interview players prior to the draft. This was pure arrogance on Savard's part. He thought that the Montreal Canadiens were above interviewing because they were superior in evaluating the talent. This was a horrible practice and it showed in the Habs drafts in the late 80's/early 90's.

No thanks to Savard as GM even in an interim capacity. I'm not a Gauthier fan (poor leader) but at least he's been around the game and is up on the current environment (salary cap, New NHL, etc).

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