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01-12-2012, 10:00 AM
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So the Rangers are circumventing the salary cap. Got it.
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The Rangers aren't obligated to place Avery on re-entry. Avery cleared waivers and was assigned to the AHL. No circumvention.
Thank you. They followed the rules to the letter.

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01-12-2012, 10:02 AM
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So the Rangers are circumventing the salary cap. Got it.
I'm afraid I don't completely understand how you arrived at this conclusion, but i'm certain it is erroneous. The least you could do is substantiate your claim with something at least resembling an argument, rather than simply an assertion.

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01-12-2012, 10:06 AM
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Just curious RangerBoy, are you really Larry Brooks? You have 20,800+ posts and 1/2 have to be LB articles and related posts
I was thinking this as well recently

This is just a very shrewd business move by Sather. If he does in fact have teams lined up to pick Avery up on re-entry, then why just throw him out there for nothing knowing he'll get claimed instead of trying to work out a trade for him?

Sather has a history of saying that he likes Sean (also that he's a detriment ) but this is still a business and I don't think he's looking to do Sean any favors. If that was the case he'd be on re-entry by now.

If nothing else this article by the Post may put a timer on other GMs in terms of their thought process on Avery.

And for those saying "where was this team when he was on re-entry the first time?" Remember, the first time Avery was on re-entry was before he proved that he could play in the NHL this season.

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01-12-2012, 10:09 AM
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I was thinking this as well recently

This is just a very shrewd business move by Sather. If he does in fact have teams lined up to pick Avery up on re-entry, then why just throw him out there for nothing knowing he'll get claimed instead of trying to work out a trade for him?

Sather has a history of saying that he likes Sean (also that he's a detriment ) but this is still a business and I don't think he's looking to do Sean any favors. If that was the case he'd be on re-entry by now.

If nothing else this article by the Post may put a timer on other GMs in terms of their thought process on Avery.

And for those saying "where was this team when he was on re-entry the first time?" Remember, the first time Avery was on re-entry was before he proved that he could play in the NHL this season.
Just because one team has indicated they would pick up Avery, it doesn't mean there may be others lurking. I don't think Sather wants to strengthen teams the Rangers might see in the division or playoffs. Not everyone is showing their hand.

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So that ends Avery's Ranger tenure.

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01-12-2012, 10:29 AM
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Just because one team has indicated they would pick up Avery, it doesn't mean there may be others lurking. I don't think Sather wants to strengthen teams the Rangers might see in the division or playoffs. Not everyone is showing their hand.
Sean Avery is a secret agent who is going to sabotage another team's playoff run.

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01-12-2012, 10:32 AM
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I was thinking this as well recently

This is just a very shrewd business move by Sather. If he does in fact have teams lined up to pick Avery up on re-entry, then why just throw him out there for nothing knowing he'll get claimed instead of trying to work out a trade for him?.
Going a step further, theres no way on the earth Sather lets the Rangers encumber dead cap space by putting Avery on re-entry and letting him get claimed. None.

The Rangers are a contender, and that approx. $1M in pro-rated cap space can be the difference in a deal that could make the team better at the deadline.

If Sather finds the time to make a minor deal for Sean, great. If not, screw him, let him rot in the minors. The Rangers off him no favors.


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01-12-2012, 10:38 AM
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On re-entry the Rangers are on the hook for 1/2 of the 1/2. 1/4 would count for the Rangers. 1/4 for the claiming team. Dallas remains on the hook for 1/2. Three teams are paying Avery if he is claimed on re-entry. Avery claimed on regular waivers has the claiming team getting 1/2 of the remaining hit. Dallas is still on the hook for 1/2.
Thanks RB. This is one of those things that isn't spelled out in the CBA and information on it is hard to find.

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01-12-2012, 10:41 AM
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Eric Francis notes here that Florida is interested in Avery:

http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/01/02...ew-profit-high

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01-12-2012, 10:46 AM
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Going a step further, theres no way on the earth Sather lets the Rangers encumber dead cap space by putting Avery on re-entry and letting him get claimed. None.

The Rangers are a contender, and that approx. $1M in pro-rated cap space can be the difference in a deal that could make the team better at the deadline.

If Sather finds the time to make a minor deal for Sean, great. If not, screw him, let him rot in the minors. The Rangers off him no favors.
well thats not very nice Mr.

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So that ends Avery's Ranger tenure.
sather not putting avery on re entry waivers for another team to claim him is the end of avery's tenure as a ranger? interesting.

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01-12-2012, 10:58 AM
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sather not putting avery on re entry waivers for another team to claim him is the end of avery's tenure as a ranger? interesting.
How else do you see it?

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How else do you see it?
Saving him for the playoff push.

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just keep him in hartford. let him play there. who cares at this point about trading him and re-entry waivers. he's not coming back, that much is clear.

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He haunts us still...

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Any scenario in which additional cap space is taken away during the summer is not something that the Rangers are going to consider.

They still have to contend with that Redden deal and if they are going to be serious players for a guy like Parise, they will need all the available cap space they can muster.

I do not see a situation where the Rangers take on additional money beyond this season.
I totally agree. That is why all the "trade proposals" I put up were for pending UFAs - ie not effecting summer cap after the season.

And I also agree with anyone saying that we cannot afford to take the chance of putting Avery back on reentry now because it would totally without reason cost us $500.000 in space - which could be very detrimental at the deadline. We are already paying $4.243.000 in dead cap space for the Drury gaffe ("retiring" after being bought out) and the White debacle from last year (costing cap overage this year). This money could have been much more wisely spent in the offseason - but since our results at the moment contradict this (lets see in June) - the point becomes a bit moot...

Re-entry at the deadline maybe? Or an AHL swap like I envisioned previously in the thread. No other options are viable here. Sorry Sean...

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01-12-2012, 11:21 AM
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I wonder if this team legitimately wants Avery or if they are also trying to screw the Rangers out of cap space. The Rangers are a top team in the league and have a target on its backs now. I'm sure some teams would love for the Rangers to carry some dead cap space to make things more difficult for them during the deadline.

Sather is right... if a team is genuinely interested in Avery, then they should trade for him and run the risk of putting him on re-entry waivers. The more I think of it, the more I think it's a ridiculous request by the other team... "Can you please put Avery on re-entry waivers so we can claim him and you'll be saddled with half his cap hit?" I hope Sather laughed in that GM's face.

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01-12-2012, 11:32 AM
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Its gotta be the Devils. Marty and Sean together, LMAO....

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Its gotta be the Devils. Marty and Sean together, LMAO....
I would love to see the behind the scenes of the first time he would walk into the dressing room lol.

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I totally agree. That is why all the "trade proposals" I put up were for pending UFAs - ie not effecting summer cap after the season.
And I also agree with anyone saying that we cannot afford to take the chance of putting Avery back on reentry now because it would totally without reason cost us $500.000 in space - which could be very detrimental at the deadline. We are already paying $4.243.000 in dead cap space for the Drury gaffe ("retiring" after being bought out) and the White debacle from last year (costing cap overage this year). This money could have been much more wisely spent in the offseason - but since our results at the moment contradict this (lets see in June) - the point becomes a bit moot...

Re-entry at the deadline maybe? Or an AHL swap like I envisioned previously in the thread. No other options are viable here. Sorry Sean...
my bad.

my pea brain did not register that fact.

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I'm not 100% positive, but I'm pretty sure that the cap hit for the claiming team would be the same whether Avery was picked up off waivers or off re-entry waivers. This is because Avery is already at half price from us picking him up off re-entry.

I think the only difference is in who pays the other half. Off waivers, the claiming team pays half and dallas still pays half. Off re-entry, the claiming team pays half and we still pay half.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's the way it works. If so, then the only reason to pick him up off re-entry instead of regular waivers is to make us eat the cap hit instead of dallas.
It is a bit of a confusing rule... I think the only reason I know it is because it came up (at least in discussion) last time Avery was waived and then brought up through re-entry.

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This mysterious club could've claimed him on December 30th as well. Or dealt a minor leaguer for him. I just don't like Brooks' making it seem like the Rangers are at fault here for no one else wanting to pick this guy up and now, all of a sudden, there's a team that wants him for nothing when they could've had the him 3 times already.

I hope he gets back into the NHL and gets a shot. He deserves it. But this "other team" is puzzling.

Pittsburgh? They would fit the bill of a team who didn't need him the first time he went through waivers. They have been decimated by injuries up front. He could play on their third line as it stands now and chip in a few goals. He'd be ultra motivated in the same division as the Rangers too.

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01-12-2012, 12:18 PM
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I like Larry Brooks. He doesn't write the same generic stuff everyone else writes. LB has been on the beat since 96. Some people don't like him because he is very pro NHLPA and because the Post is owned by Murdoch. Pat Morris was given permission by Sather to talk to other teams during the roster freeze. Maybe some team told Morris they would take Avery on re-entry at some point when the cap hit is smaller. Sather offered to take on additional salary in a trade for Sean. Morris tells Brooks and he puts it in the paper.

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Saving him for the playoff push.
He'll be well rested.

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I would think Avery would fit in well in Vancouver and Buffalo. That's just my .02$
I could see him on Buffalo no problem

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