HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Vancouver Canucks
Notices

The Armchair GM Thread (Part Nine)

View Poll Results: Sign him or not
Try-out contract 7 31.82%
1 year contract 9 40.91%
Just no !!!!!!!!!!!!! 6 27.27%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-12-2012, 04:38 AM
  #1051
Abaddon*
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 219
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crows View Post
You can't spell DIABETES without DIE.
Also SEABED.

Abaddon* is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 09:48 AM
  #1052
tantalum
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Missouri
Posts: 9,881
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anniversary View Post
Mason Raymond is like if you took one of those movies where the runt of the litter grows up to become the leader of the pack and try that story in reality. Raymond is Babe the pig living out a fantasy where there's no talking spiders to help him play hockey.
Babe wasn't helped out by a talking spider...that was Wilbur.


Raymond is a good hockey player that can play on any team in the league. He has good speed, is a great PKer and given the large number of chances he will pop in 20 goals or so.

That said in the past 12 months through acquisitions and player growth he has slipped behind Higgins, Booth, and Hansen IMO. He's also falling behind Hodgson. So, Raymond is the expendable forward IMO and a guy that could be moved. I still say, however, you have to be careful. You can't simply go out and get grit or size. That grit and size also has to contribute on some of the areas that Raymond does better.

tantalum is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 09:59 AM
  #1053
Reverend Mayhem
1 for you, 19 for me
 
Reverend Mayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Port Coquitlam, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 18,035
vCash: 940
Send a message via Skype™ to Reverend Mayhem
Quote:
Originally Posted by tantalum View Post
That said in the past 12 months through acquisitions and player growth he has slipped behind Higgins, Booth, and Hansen IMO. He's also falling behind Hodgson. So, Raymond is the expendable forward IMO and a guy that could be moved. I still say, however, you have to be careful. You can't simply go out and get grit or size. That grit and size also has to contribute on some of the areas that Raymond does better.
Raymond, as well as Malhotra have both become victims of depth, IMO.

Reverend Mayhem is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 10:02 AM
  #1054
Reign Nateo
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,064
vCash: 500
Anyone interested in putting this team in full hatred mode and picking up Sean Avery on re-entry?

Avery-Lapierre-Weise

Jesus. Would be cheap, but not sure he fits Gillis' team. Tight group and he's a bit of a pain in the ass, but that line would be horrible to play against if it clicked. Moot point as I doubt he lasts to us anyway.

Reign Nateo is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 10:06 AM
  #1055
B-rock
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Vancouver
Posts: 1,968
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by tantalum View Post
Babe wasn't helped out by a talking spider...that was Wilbur.


Raymond is a good hockey player that can play on any team in the league. He has good speed, is a great PKer and given the large number of chances he will pop in 20 goals or so.

That said in the past 12 months through acquisitions and player growth he has slipped behind Higgins, Booth, and Hansen IMO. He's also falling behind Hodgson. So, Raymond is the expendable forward IMO and a guy that could be moved. I still say, however, you have to be careful. You can't simply go out and get grit or size. That grit and size also has to contribute on some of the areas that Raymond does better.
Agreed. If Raymond is moved something very good has to be coming back the other way. Which isn't to say that Raymond shouldn't be traded, just that if he is it's got to be for more than just a standard 3rd line plugger.

I would think that Raymond would bring a significant return based on the fact that he's fast as hell, and has hands of gold (downside is they don't score as much as they should). But I'm sure a number of teams would love what Raymond brings.

He's great on any team, it's just that at this point, the Canucks have the luxury of wanting to refine their lineup for playoff success. Other teams may want a guy like Raymond to help get them to the playoffs.

B-rock is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 10:07 AM
  #1056
Canucker
Registered User
 
Canucker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Prince Rupert, BC
Posts: 17,499
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reign Nateo View Post
Anyone interested in putting this team in full hatred mode and picking up Sean Avery on re-entry?

Avery-Lapierre-Weise

Jesus. Would be cheap, but not sure he fits Gillis' team. Tight group and he's a bit of a pain in the ass, but that line would be horrible to play against if it clicked. Moot point as I doubt he lasts to us anyway.
Apparently a team requested the Rangers to put Avery on re-entry waivers so they could claim him, but Sather said "not now".

Canucker is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 11:37 AM
  #1057
Bobby Lou
We Surrender
 
Bobby Lou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: The Crease
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,168
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reign Nateo View Post
Anyone interested in putting this team in full hatred mode and picking up Sean Avery on re-entry?

Avery-Lapierre-Weise

Jesus. Would be cheap, but not sure he fits Gillis' team. Tight group and he's a bit of a pain in the ass, but that line would be horrible to play against if it clicked. Moot point as I doubt he lasts to us anyway.
Had the same thought; it just seems like a Gillis reclamation project on the cheap. Avery IS a good bottom sixer, that's for sure. Outside of his insane antics, and off-ice stuff obviously. Could see them viewing it in a similar way to the Lapierre acquisition. Gillis probably thinks he can run his organizational voodoo machine on Avery, and fix whatever off-ice problems he has; considering this would probably be one of Avery's last shots at the NHL it might work?

Bobby Lou is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 11:46 AM
  #1058
dave babych returns
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,936
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crows View Post
He would. Can you imagine A shutdown D paring of ronald Mcdonald and Grimace?

THat's intimidating.
Can't imagine Ronald Mcdonald not wearing a Flames jersey.

dave babych returns is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 11:58 AM
  #1059
Kagee*
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,094
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dave babych returns View Post
Can't imagine Ronald Mcdonald not wearing a Flames jersey.
haha zing!

And agreed with LS, Boll would be a perfect fit for the 4th line, along with Moen, but there could be a mini bidding war for him.

Kagee* is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 12:42 PM
  #1060
Elliot20
Registered User
 
Elliot20's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,782
vCash: 500
Here's what we should do:

1) Oreshkovich + 4th for Moen

2) Jordan Schroeder + 2nd in 2012 for Steve Downie

3) Ballard, Raymond, 1st 2012, 1st in 2013 for Shea Weber (with offer sheet threat in summer 2012)


Cup team:

Sedin - Sedin - Downie
Booth - Kesler - Burrows
Higgins - Hodgson - Hansen
Malhotra - Moen - Lappierre <-shutdown
(Weise, Ebbett)

Hamhuis - Bieksa <-shutdown
Edler - Weber <-with Sedin unit
Rome - Salo
(Tanev, Alberts, Sulzer)

Luongo
Schneider <-insurance

Burrows usually plays with Kesler during the playoffs, and I think Downie may be a good fit with the Sedins. Higgins adds size to the third line and the shutdown line seems like a beauty.

Can you imagine having this unit in the playoffs for 5 on 5?

Sedin - Sedin - Downie
Edler - Weber

and then follow up with:

Booth - Kesler - Burrows
Hamhuis - Bieksa

and then with a rookie on pace for over 40 pts?

Who has this much depth?!


Last edited by Elliot20: 01-12-2012 at 12:48 PM.
Elliot20 is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 12:46 PM
  #1061
NFITO
hockeyinsanity*****
 
NFITO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,802
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anniversary View Post
Voracek

Really pretty much anybody. Mason Raymond is a hilariously bad hockey player upon extended viewing. Still I love him and would die to see his dumb grin lifting the Cup.
This is a hilariously bad post that shows a lack of understanding hockey.

First of all, Philly isn't moving Voracek for a rental player.

Secondly, a hilariously bad hockey player isn't one who is easily one of the fastest players in the game, has scored at a 20 goal level through his entire career, and is a very good 2-way player and an asset on any PK in the league. Raymond isn't a star or an impact player, but he is FAR from being a bad player, let alone "hilariously bad" ... just ridiculous to even suggest that.

It's hilarious how underrated this kid is even among Canuck fans. It's as if people don't watch him play, or don't watch other teams play to get a realistic grasp of players around the league.

IMO anyone that thinks that Raymond is a "hilariously bad hockey player" doesn't know what they're talking about.

NFITO is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 12:50 PM
  #1062
NFITO
hockeyinsanity*****
 
NFITO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 27,802
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Lou View Post
Had the same thought; it just seems like a Gillis reclamation project on the cheap. Avery IS a good bottom sixer, that's for sure. Outside of his insane antics, and off-ice stuff obviously. Could see them viewing it in a similar way to the Lapierre acquisition. Gillis probably thinks he can run his organizational voodoo machine on Avery, and fix whatever off-ice problems he has; considering this would probably be one of Avery's last shots at the NHL it might work?
I don't think there's any way that Gillis has any interest at all in Avery.

Lapierre was a different situation. Gillis even commented on how he had ties with AV in the past (coached in junior and in Montreal) and those ties helped convince him that he'd be a fit here. There are no ties in this organization with Avery.

Avery is a punk... he's a stupid punk. I can't see Gillis adding a player like this who's persona always seems to transcend every team he's on. Gillis isn't the type of GM who would risk that... Avery is just too big a distraction.

NFITO is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 12:57 PM
  #1063
m9
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,081
vCash: 500
He's not a hilariously bad hockey player, but he is a redundant piece in our top nine. Hansen and Booth are both better versions of him. He looked quite good last year as the 3rd line center as well, but with our center depth that isn't a great option. Raymond is a good penalty killer, but we have a ton of PK options.

I actually think the moves to be made are fairly simple before the deadline.

Out: Raymond (and picks, prospects, etc)
In: Tough winger that can play 3rd/4th line. Depth, 3rd pairing d-man. 12th/13th forward who will be in/out of the lineup.

So one body out, three bodies in.

m9 is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 01:14 PM
  #1064
ItsAllPartOfThePlan
Registered User
 
ItsAllPartOfThePlan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,970
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by m9 View Post
He's not a hilariously bad hockey player, but he is a redundant piece in our top nine. Hansen and Booth are both better versions of him. He looked quite good last year as the 3rd line center as well, but with our center depth that isn't a great option. Raymond is a good penalty killer, but we have a ton of PK options.

I actually think the moves to be made are fairly simple before the deadline.

Out: Raymond (and picks, prospects, etc)
In: Tough winger that can play 3rd/4th line. Depth, 3rd pairing d-man. 12th/13th forward who will be in/out of the lineup.

So one body out, three bodies in.
Won't work. We would be over the contract limit.

ItsAllPartOfThePlan is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 01:14 PM
  #1065
dave babych returns
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 3,936
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Elliot20 View Post
Here's what we should do:

1) Oreshkovich + 4th for Moen

2) Jordan Schroeder + 2nd in 2012 for Steve Downie

3) Ballard, Raymond, 1st 2012, 1st in 2013 for Shea Weber (with offer sheet threat in summer 2012)

.....

Who has this much depth?!
A team that just made three hilariously lopsided trades that no NHL GM would ever agree upon?

dave babych returns is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 01:16 PM
  #1066
ddawg1950
Registered User
 
ddawg1950's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 9,177
vCash: 500
Raymond needs to make one adjustment that I believe would make him far more effective. His speed is his greatest strength, but it often causes him problems when he skates the puck into bad areas or just gets in too close to the goalie...or often doesn't see open players because he is moving the play too fast.

If he could learn to dial it back a notch, the game would slow down for him just enough to make proper decisions more often. He doesn't have to be a snow plow, just dial it back a little.

He's a skilled player, but he's not Pavel Bure.

ddawg1950 is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 01:30 PM
  #1067
thepuckmonster
professional winner
 
thepuckmonster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Victoria, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,475
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ddawg1950 View Post
Raymond needs to make one adjustment that I believe would make him far more effective. His speed is his greatest strength, but it often causes him problems when he skates the puck into bad areas or just gets in too close to the goalie...or often doesn't see open players because he is moving the play too fast.

If he could learn to dial it back a notch, the game would slow down for him just enough to make proper decisions more often. He doesn't have to be a snow plow, just dial it back a little.

He's a skilled player, but he's not Pavel Bure.
Yeah, that's how I see it too. He's easily one of the fastest players in the league, but that doesn't help when you fall down the second you pass the puck. I'd like to see him maybe work with a skating instructor (like Brian Boyle did with a former figure skater) over the off season to kind of 'reign in' control. If he can get better use out of his edges and more control it would vastly improve his game.

thepuckmonster is offline  
Old
01-12-2012, 02:24 PM
  #1068
Potatoe1
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 751
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by m9 View Post
He's not a hilariously bad hockey player, but he is a redundant piece in our top nine. Hansen and Booth are both better versions of him. He looked quite good last year as the 3rd line center as well, but with our center depth that isn't a great option. Raymond is a good penalty killer, but we have a ton of PK options.

I actually think the moves to be made are fairly simple before the deadline.

Out: Raymond (and picks, prospects, etc)
In: Tough winger that can play 3rd/4th line. Depth, 3rd pairing d-man. 12th/13th forward who will be in/out of the lineup.

So one body out, three bodies in.
Raymond is only "redundant" when our top 9 is 100% healthy. That has yet to happen this season, didn't happen in the playoffs last year and over all just almost never happens.

If you can trade him for a gritty 3rd line type on a fair contract then sure, why not, but we need to trade value for value in any move involving Raymond.

Potatoe1 is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:48 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.